Boulder DA sued for release of indictment

[tezi]

THe point is the fibers go no where because they don't even exist.

WHAT? Yes, the do exist....Let me go find a reference to prove it....Even though you won't accept it. It will make me feel better.

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes, and Patsy's jacket was the only one that was handy. And John's brand new shirt....Oh, my....LOL:floorlaugh:

JMO

Show me the proof this evidence exists.. and not from a book.. Show me proof. A Lab report..

There is none.. The more I dive in the more I find rumor pointed to as fact.. And it just does not make it so..

No fibers.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

WHAT? Yes, the do exist....Let me go find a reference to prove it....Even though you won't accept it. It will make me feel better.

JMO

No they don't.. The only reference they have is in a deposition. There is not proof of their existence. None. Just words and innuendo.

 

[2 percent]

No. If they have it come forth with it.. They are not allowed to hide evidence from the defense anyway. So if you really have it? But never show proof of it? I don't think it exists..

A deposition and a preliminary hearing are completely different things.
Can someone please be more specific about what context the fibers were revealed?

 

[tezi]

I am looking for the jacket fiber evidence right now. It is going to take me a little bit, as I don't remember exactly where I found it before. Please be patient. TIA

 

[redheadedgal]

Show me the proof this evidence exists.. and not from a book.. Show me proof. A Lab report..

wait a sec... two days (?) ago you were asked to provide proof to back up your assertion about how opinions worldwide have changed about this case in favor of the R's (or something to that effect)... we are still waiting on that. in light of this, how fair is it to demand proof from others?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

A deposition and a preliminary hearing are completely different things.
Can someone please be more specific about what context the fibers were revealed?

When Haney and De Muth in the deposition he wants PR to answer questions about fibers but will not give forth proof they exist.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

It does not matter what is tried, It matters what is fact. Touch DNA is used to convict people. Guess that means it is valuable everywhere but here.

From the National Institute of Health's EMBO report June 2010:

There is also considerable risk arising from basic laboratory errors, as the hunt for the elusive ‘phantom of Heilbronn' demonstrated. For years, German, French and Austrian police investigators pursued a female suspect who, according to DNA evidence, had committed dozens of crimes and several murders over the course of 14 years including shooting two police officers in Heilbronn in 2007. Eventually, however, they discovered that the DNA profile retrieved from 40 crime scenes in three countries actually came from an employee of the Austrian company that produced the swabs police used to take samples at the crime scenes.


When it comes to detective work, improvements in protocols combined with the ability to obtain partial profiles from small and degraded samples are having a huge impact, according to Reinhard Schmid, head of Biometric Identification at the Austrian Federal Ministry of the Interior. Particular progress has been made with previously unsolvable ‘cold cases' in which DNA samples now provide clues to the suspect's identity that can be followed up by traditional detective work. “The cold case hit rate obtained with DNA has reached 93%,” Schmid said. “That means that without using DNA analyses and the DNA database, 93% of those cold crimes could not have been solved because there was no link to a possible offender after the crime had been committed. In each case DNA analyses provided objective evidence—often leading to [the] release of innocent suspects.”


The very fact that it is possible to obtain DNA profiles from degraded samples means that there are borderline cases in which the accuracy of DNA profiles is doubtful

But care must be taken, cautioned Ate Kloosterman, Professor of Biometrics at the University of Amsterdam and senior forensic scientist at the Netherlands Forensic Institute. The DNA samples used to thaw cold cases are derived from samples taken at the time, often not based on the latest protocols to collect evidence without contamination from crime scenes.

And let's not forget that *touch* DNA is even trickier to deal with when it comes to crime-solving.

 

[tezi]

I found the source about the fibers. I know it's not going to pass muster for certain posters, but here it is: ST, "JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation. (Hardback edition)

Page 254: Back in February 1997, several fibers were taken from the sticky side of the tape that had been against JonBenet's face.

When Team Ramsey finally gave us the clothing purporting to be what John and Patsy were wearing on December 25 and 26, one of the bagged items was Patsy's red-and-black-checked jacket.

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation labs ran comparison tests and reported that four fibers that had been discovered on the tape were chemically and microscopically consistent with the fibers of Patsy's jacket.

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Key words, sticky side of tape, four fibers chemically and microscopically consistent with the fibers of Patsy's jacket.

Please don't say the fibers don't exist anymore because I have shown proof positive that they do. Unless the CBI is on the conspiracy to frame the Ramseys too. JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I found the source about the fibers. I know it's not going to pass muster for certain posters, but here it is: ST, "JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation. (Hardback edition)

Page 254: Back in February 1997, several fibers were taken from the sticky side of the tape that had been against JonBenet's face.

When Team Ramsey finally gave us the clothing purporting to be what John and Patsy were wearing on December 25 and 26, one of the bagged items was Patsy's red-and-black-checked jacket.

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation labs ran comparison tests and reported that four fibers that had been discovered on the tape were chemically and microscopically consistent with the fibers of Patsy's jacket.

*************

Key words, sticky side of tape, four fibers chemically and microscopically consistent with the fibers of Patsy's jacket.

Please don't say the fibers don't exist anymore because I have shown proof positive that they do. Unless the CBI is on the conspiracy to frame the Ramseys too. JMO

That is not proof.. That is a book.. One that someone wrote with bias and self motivation.. Not proof.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

From the National Institute of Health's EMBO report June 2010:

There is also considerable risk arising from basic laboratory errors, as the hunt for the elusive ‘phantom of Heilbronn' demonstrated. For years, German, French and Austrian police investigators pursued a female suspect who, according to DNA evidence, had committed dozens of crimes and several murders over the course of 14 years including shooting two police officers in Heilbronn in 2007. Eventually, however, they discovered that the DNA profile retrieved from 40 crime scenes in three countries actually came from an employee of the Austrian company that produced the swabs police used to take samples at the crime scenes.


When it comes to detective work, improvements in protocols combined with the ability to obtain partial profiles from small and degraded samples are having a huge impact, according to Reinhard Schmid, head of Biometric Identification at the Austrian Federal Ministry of the Interior. Particular progress has been made with previously unsolvable ‘cold cases' in which DNA samples now provide clues to the suspect's identity that can be followed up by traditional detective work. “The cold case hit rate obtained with DNA has reached 93%,” Schmid said. “That means that without using DNA analyses and the DNA database, 93% of those cold crimes could not have been solved because there was no link to a possible offender after the crime had been committed. In each case DNA analyses provided objective evidence—often leading to [the] release of innocent suspects.”


The very fact that it is possible to obtain DNA profiles from degraded samples means that there are borderline cases in which the accuracy of DNA profiles is doubtful

But care must be taken, cautioned Ate Kloosterman, Professor of Biometrics at the University of Amsterdam and senior forensic scientist at the Netherlands Forensic Institute. The DNA samples used to thaw cold cases are derived from samples taken at the time, often not based on the latest protocols to collect evidence without contamination from crime scenes.

And let's not forget that *touch* DNA is even trickier to deal with when it comes to crime-solving.

None of this matters. What matters is that it is used to convict and exonerate in cases.. And it sticks.

 

[tezi]

wait a sec... two days (?) ago you were asked to provide proof to back up your assertion about how opinions worldwide have changed about this case in favor of the R's (or something to that effect)... we are still waiting on that. in light of this, how fair is it to demand proof from others?

Amen...

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

None of this matters. What matters is that it is used to convict and exonerate in cases.. And it sticks.

Did you read what I had boldened in my post above? Three countries were looking for a supposed suspect but it turns out their "suspect" was the person who worked in the lab testing the swabs.

Obviously innocent.

So no, it doesn't stick.

 

[tezi]

That is not proof.. That is a book.. One that someone wrote with bias and self motivation.. Not proof.

It is proof. The proof is from the CBI lab. It's used in the book. We don't have the original lab report because it's in the file, you know, the file of the murder investigation that won't be released to the public.

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Did you read what I had boldened in my post above? Three countries were looking for a supposed suspect but it turns out their "suspect" was the person who worked in the lab testing the swabs.

Obviously innocent.

So no, it doesn't stick.

Yes it does. In that one case there was an issue but it is used and gets people arrested and convicted an exonerated..

There will always be cases where mistakes are made.. Like this one by the BPD.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is proof. The proof is from the CBI lab. It's used in the book. We don't have the original lab report because it's in the file, you know, the file of the murder investigation that won't be released to the public.

JMO

Show me the report?? Oh wait.. He put it in the book.....

Sorry..does not fly with me.. People can say whatever they want in a book to bolster their case.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Yes it does. In that one case there was an issue but it is used and gets people arrested and convicted an exonerated..

There will always be cases where mistakes are made.. Like this one by the BPD.

Nope, they don't routinely use *touch DNA* to solve cases and they clearly can't use it in the JBR case because it is so small (no STR's).

 

[tezi]

Show me the report?? Oh wait.. He put it in the book.....

Sorry..does not fly with me.. People can say whatever they want in a book to bolster their case.

The report is in the case file. I don't have access and neither do you.

So, the CBI is on this too....I am sure they will happy to know this....

 

[Linda7NJ]

i am looking for the jacket fiber evidence right now. It is going to take me a little bit, as i don't remember exactly where i found it before. Please be patient. Tia

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Nope, they don't routinely use *touch DNA* to solve cases and they clearly can't use it in the JBR case because it is so small (no STR's).

I can post dozens of cases and maybe more every day..

It is used to solve cases and exonerate.. In courts.

That is just fact.