Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

[proudfootz]

Zellner posted pics of a couple of pages on twitter.

 

[Karinna]

Crooked cops and corrupt prosecutors have options as well. They can speak up and come clean about the immoral crimes they have committed. Ya know, do the right thing for once... it’s called integrity.

Yes definitely, especially when they determine a person's life or death.

 

[Karinna]

Zellner posted pics of a couple of pages on twitter.

If you want you can go to the Amazon website and read a few chapters for free. I did and so far from what i read, excellent IMO

 

[Hippiemomof5]

How can I read a few chapters on amazon? I’m not seeing that option on the listing.

 

[missy1974]

How can I read a few chapters on amazon? I’m not seeing that option on the listing.

I think I clicked the picture of the book. I haven't read it yet, but I got it open.

 

[Karinna]

How can I read a few chapters on amazon? I’m not seeing that option on the listing.

If you type in the title of the book "Wrecking Crew" by John Ferak in your search engine the amazon link should come up to click on. When you get to the amazon link it will show the book there and it actually has a picture of KZ on the cover,
When you see the book there look to the top of the book and you should see the Look Inside, which is a preview. Click on the Look Inside and it will load for you.

 

[Karinna]

For those not familiar with John Ferak here is a bit of a profile on his work
(quote)
About John Ferak
A native of Joliet, Illinois, John Ferak returned to his roots in 2017 to become the editor/reporter for the Joliet Patch. He previously spent five years with the Wisconsin Investigative Team for USA TODAY NETWORK and nine years in Nebraska at the Omaha World-Herald newspaper.

He is an authority on wrongful arrest and conviction cases. His 2016 book for WildBlue Press, FAILURE OF JUSTICE, chronicled the nation's largest wrongful conviction case. His first book, BLOODY LIES told the story about a CSI director who went to prison for planting blood in high-profile Nebraska murder cases. Ferak's fifth true-crime book, WRECKING CREW: Demolishing The Case Against Steven Avery, is being published through Colorado-based WildBlue Press on November 20, 2018.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

Ferak's book has a chapter on Bobby's garage. Titillating.

And the section where the police interview Bobby is fun. He points out the police keep bringing up the idea of cops planting evidence.

 

[guruagain]

Halfway through it here in the UK. It was only £3.83 for the kindle edition! ($4.90)
Some interesting things in there but nothing new to followers of the case.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

“Mr. Avery did not leave the Dassey phone number with Auto Trader because he was waiting for a return call on his cell phone or landline to confirm the appointment. Because Bobby was awake, he would have heard the voice mail message left by Ms. Halbach on the Dassey answering machine at 11:43 a.m. … Bobby was the only person who could have listened to Ms. Halbach’s voice message to the Dassey residence at 11:43 a.m. and known that Ms. Halbach did not have an address for the appointment.”

“Bobby lied to the police when he denied knowing that on October 31, 2005, Ms. Halbach was coming to the property.”

“Bobby told police that he saw Ms. Halbach by her vehicle for approximately 10 seconds. However, Bobby was able to describe Ms. Halbach’s clothing, physique and hair style, indicating that he had more direct contact with Ms. Halbach than simply seeing her out of his window for 10 seconds.”

“The Dassey computer Internet browsing data indicates that 22 pornographic searches were made on October 31, 2005. Bobby’s computer was in use on October 31, 2005, which impeaches his trial testimony that he was asleep from 6:30 a.m. to 2 p.m. The computer was used to access the Internet on October 31, 2005, at 6:05 a.m., 6:28 a.m., 6:31 a.m., 7:00 a.m., 9:33 a.m., 10:09 a.m., 1:08 p.m., and 1:51 p.m.”

From Ferak's book. The "Bobby's Garage segment. I jumped right into that chapter.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

“We have recently Luminoled the Dassey garage and collected buccal swabs for DNA testing because the police failed to do this,” Zellner told the author on October 4, 2018. “There was a blood drop collected between the Dassey garage and house which was never tested.

From the Ferak book again.

"Hey we found some blood near a potential murder scene. Ehhhhhh it can't be that important." - Manitowoc LE apparently.

Baetz told the author that Tadych had apparently become paranoid since Zellner has aggressively put him and Bobby under the microscope. Baetz said he learned from Zellner that Tadych is making sure he picks up all of his cigarette butts for fear that somebody would retrieve them since he could leave his DNA on them.

Ferak still

 

[Karinna]

From the Ferak book again.

"Hey we found some blood near a potential murder scene. Ehhhhhh it can't be that important." - Manitowoc LE apparently.


Ferak still

BBM, Yeah just like KK with the "nothing of evidentiary value" on the Dassey/Janda computer, SMH.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

“Radandt was asked about the lights that he mentioned in the Manitowoc County pit. Radandt stated they were large search lights. Radandt was asked about the pelvic bones. Radandt stated that attorney Kathleen Zellner’s team or the media mentioned the pelvic bones. Radandt stated he was never made aware of any pelvic bones by law enforcement.

Finally, it was time to question Scott Tadych. Dedering teamed up with Wisconsin DCI special agent Jeff Wisch and they decided to interview Tadych in... The Subway restaurant on Main Street in Mishicot
...

“Scott was asked if he was in any way involved in the homicide of Teresa Halbach and he indicated, ‘No, not at all.’ Scott was specifically asked if he killed anyone, including Teresa Halbach, and his answer was ‘No.’”

At the time of the killing, Tadych lived at a mobile home on State Highway 147, the property was about five hundred yards from where Teresa’s SUV was believed to have been put for several days after her disappearance.

Back in 2005, Dedering didn’t bother to take steps to corroborate Tadych’s alibi claiming he had spent much of the day at the hospital in Green Bay...twelve years later...On November 14, 2017, he contacted Aurora Bay Care Security in Green Bay. “I asked the representative whether there would be any existing video of the parking area or any other video from 2005. The representative indicated no videos exist from 2005 as their hard drive records override existing video every couple of months.”

At this point, Dedering was obviously aware that Zellner was poking holes in the State’s case concerning the dark secrets hidden on the Dassey computer, the one that was the subject of morbid, sadistic violent *advertiser censored* searches only at times of the day when Bobby was home alone.

Had Bobby used the Internet and the computer, they asked him?


“If I did, it wasn’t often,” he answered.


“Bobby stated he thought the computer was on a desk in the living room at the time.”

A police video captured by Dedering’s colleague, Sgt. Bill Tyson, after Teresa vanished, conclusively showed the tower computer stationed at a desk in Bobby’s own bedroom.

“Bobby stated he never downloaded any *advertiser censored*. Bobby stated he may have watched *advertiser censored* at some point on it, but ‘I don’t know.’

I don't even need to comment on a lot of this stuff. It speaks for itself. Of course, still in the Ferak book.

“Bobby was unfamiliar with where I was talking about when I mentioned Kuss Road,” Dedering’s report states. “I then produced a map I had from the Josh Radandt interview and showed him where Kuss Road was located. Bobby indicated he had never hunted on the Radandt property or in the gravel pit. Bobby stated he had never hunted on the area off of Kuss Road.”

One of his brothers, cannot recall which, said Bobby hunted in the quarry. If Bobby lied there, could he be lying about Kuss Road.

n November 10, 2017, the state of Wisconsin law enforcement authorities seized the Hewlett Packard Pavilion computer of Barbara Tadych for the second time. The computer was first seized as evidence in 2006.

This time, something happened. Something was said that gave Barb pause.

“I distinctly remember at the time I turned over the computer tower to the investigators saying, ‘I’m thinking of getting rid of this computer.’ After I made the comment, Investigator John Dedering replied, ‘That would be a good idea and you should not give the computer to Kathleen Zellner.’”

Cool cool cool! Police encouraging the destruction of evidence. You can tell they are the good guys and aren't even a tiny bit corrupt!

 

[Saul Vesalot]

Guys, this is a long one, bear with me!

The realization that there were multiple sites within the quarry with charred human bones has Zellner convinced that someone was attempting to scatter the bones there by dumping them out of a burn barrel under the cover of darkness. However, the barrel was put back on Bobby’s property still containing a number of charred human bones of Teresa.

This idea strikes me as wrong. If I was trying for sure to get rid of the bones, and I was scattering them, and already moving the barrel, why three piles, and then bring a bunch home and spreading some there and leaving some in the barrel? If you're moving the barrel, you could dig a hole on a "hunting trip" and you could dump the contents in the hole and cover.

I wonder if this bit answers that.

“The appearance, size, and type of bone fragments documented in Dr. Eisenberg’s forensic anthropology reports and photographs exactly mirror the fragments recovered after burn- barrel cremations involving frequent stirring and stoking observed by this author. Such destruction was observed in wood-fueled burn barrel cremations in as short as three and a half hours.”

In another recent criminal case where his expert analysis was sought, the accused killer described stoking a large wood-fueled pyre with several adult human bodies over the course of fifteen hours, DeHaan pointed out. Later, Dr. DeHaan asserted, most of the bones were crushed with rocks and wood clubs. From there, the larger identifiable body parts that survived the fire were transported to a river for disposal.

I think if you combine these two quoted segments, you can get closer to the answer. Maybe the "piles" were what was left over after crushing attempts? Burn a portion of the body, pull out large pieces, smash with rock, pull out another large piece/pieces, move elsewhere, smash, then the next piece/s, smash. Spread out the bits so there isn't one big obvious area.

pile 1 was 474 yards away from Pile 2. The distance from Pile 1 to Pile 3 was 518 yards. On the other hand, the human bones found in Piles 2 and 3 were much closer to each other, a distance of only 48 yards apart.

Like someone was getting lazier with their attempts to spread out the remains. The way serial killers might start hunting closer and closer to home as they go on. Why travel another 500 yards when 50 is pretty far and no one will ever find this stuff anyways?

Or maybe there were several crush places in between. Those in between places were where known "burn pit" remains came from. Or the in-between places were just missed. One of Zellner's experts said the police only found 10-20% of the expected remains. What if the rest were just in the quarry and never found for one reason or another?

What if ALL of the bones (and the electronics fragments) were in the quarry and the bits found there officially were just what was missed after transporting the rest? That would have to be pretty rushed/quiet job. That might start to make sense of things. The bones and the cell phone parts are completely planted?

That explains why a killer would leave that stuff outside their front door and why the barrels were juggled, how a barrel was searched and nothing was found until the second search, why they didn't let the medical examiner on the property, why there were bones found in the quarry, why the dogs loved the quarry but not really the junkyard, why Kratz tried to undermine his own forensic anthropologist when the quarry bones were mentioned, etc.

The killer left the bones in the pit and they migrated via police hands.

Is there anything that contradicts the idea that approximately nothing was on the Avery property at the start of the investigation? Maybe the car?

I'm not sure anything of evidentiary value was found in the barrels BEFORE they were moved. IE, were the electronics and bones EVER in the barrels? Or did they get "put there" back in the lab, where there was a box of TH's bones just sitting around? Reading the CASO, the barrel contents were unknown until after they got back to the Lab. The earliest barrel search was the 8th. Same date as the earliest reference I can find for evidence allegedly found in the burn pit.


The only real assumptions that this idea relies on are:
1) The police would plant things/tamper with evidence
2) The police were not able to find all the remains during the initial collection
3) The Killer did not bring the remains of his murder victim home with him


Edited to add: All my quotes are from the Ferak book.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Burn Pit

In Making A Murderer Part 2, the burn pit was subject to investigation because experts doubted a body was ever burned there. According to Zellner, the entire Avery garage would have burned down in a fire strong enough to burn a body, she told Newsweek.

The jury on Avery's original case agreed. Though they convicted him of murder, they did not find him guilty of burning Halbach's body in the burn pit, Zellner told Newsweek.

Human bones were found in three burn barrels on an adjacent, quarry property according to the series. They were not presented in Avery’s original trial, and the bones have yet to be tested. The bones also feature cut marks, which imply the body was dismembered before being burned. The prosecution argued her body was burned in full.
See the best pieces of evidence presented by Kathleen Zellner in 'Making A Murderer' Part 2

 

[Karinna]

So how on earth could the prosecution argue the body was burned in full when so much of the body is missing? That was not what happened obviously.
I agree with KZ that the body was dismembered and it is possible the missing parts around 60% could of been burned in the smelter, which would of likely pulverised them and turned them into a powder, IMO. The rest of the body once dismembered into smaller parts would of been more easily burned elsewhere, and some remains were needed to be placed/scattered to frame Avery IMO.

 

[ScienceWiz]

I voted that "he didn't help but may have seen something," "probably not guilty, his confession was coerced," and "undecided, but believe a new trial is in order."

The big however, having read the quite appalling and obscene Kachinsky emails? I would change my vote to, "not guilty, full stop, his conviction should be overturned."

All of these pieces of evidence point to the presence of a severe psychiatric disorder in the murder. Such conditions, such often come to the surface when a person with high genetic risk factors suffers a traumatic childhood/past.

The prevalence of personality disorders such as NPD or Narcissistic Personality Disorder is quite high in the USA ; studies reveal that almost 6.2% of the entire American population could be a part of this demography.

That translates to 1 out of every 16 Americans.

I know that not everyone who is diagnosed with NPD ends up becoming a serial killer. But having such traits make a person more predisposed to crime - both violent and white collar.

 

[Karinna]

All of these pieces of evidence point to the presence of a severe psychiatric disorder in the murder. Such conditions, such often come to the surface when a person with high genetic risk factors suffers a traumatic childhood/past.

The prevalence of personality disorders such as NPD or Narcissistic Personality Disorder is quite high in the USA ; studies reveal that almost 6.2% of the entire American population could be a part of this demography.

That translates to 1 out of every 16 Americans.

I know that not everyone who is diagnosed with NPD ends up becoming a serial killer. But having such traits make a person more predisposed to crime - both violent and white collar.

Hi & Welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting up the info.
That is interesting and that number 1 out of every 16 Americans has NPD is rather worrying in and of itself IMO.

 

[proudfootz]

Living here in the US I'm not terribly surprised about the possible frequency of NPD. A lot of things about our culture seem to celebrate behaviors associated with it.

 

[Poedelini]

I still find it difficult to say how easy it is to burn a body. I saw the explaination from the expert on the netflix series. But i also looked at some crime documentary's and they say it is pretty easy to burn a body fully on a stack of wood for hours. I saw it on the The Investigator: A British Crime Story. It makes me wonder how easy it really is.