Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

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Dassey: 7th Circuit AFFIRMS Judge Duffin in 2-1 decision.
Brendan Dassey's Habeas Corpus Petition Granted

And what happened after that ?

 

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Come on, that kid was sitting in jail and his biggest worry was the fact that he was going to miss Wrestlemania. He didn't even understand what was going on for a long time. He was manipulated for sure.

IMO he didn’t understand the implications and seriousness of what he did.

 

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KZ's forensic expert with his awesome Electron Microscopy machine debunked most of that nonsense.

Actually the magic machine never said TH’s DNA was not on the bullet fragment.

 

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Wow. I've spoken with plenty of people who think Avery did it, never have I spoke to anyone who thought the investigation was carried out properly.

Even if they've got the right people in jail, it still doesn't make it a good investigation. They couldn't even keep an accurate time log for crying out loud. I've watched a lot of crime programmes and read up on loads of cases but this is quite possibly one of the most laughably poor LE departments I've ever seen. They literally couldn't even do the basics right.

Whether that was honest negligence or on purpose we'll never know.

I said well done ... I didn’t say perfect. Well done because IMO the correct two perpetrators are in jail.

 

[Karinna]

Actually the magic machine never said TH’s DNA was not on the bullet fragment.

That's right it did pick up TH's dna from the planted chapstick that LE got from TH's residence. The chapstick is more than likely the waxy substance that was detected on the bullet. Also cotton fibres were detected as well. Probably from the q-tip that placed the chapstick onto the bullet i would think. Maybe like they applied the blood near the RAV ignition too.

 

[Karinna]

And what happened after that ?

The State's determination to keep Brendan Dassey in prison.

 

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That's right it did pick up TH's dna from the planted chapstick that LE got from TH's residence. The chapstick is more than likely the waxy substance that was detected on the bullet. Also cotton fibres were detected as well. Probably from the q-tip that placed the chapstick onto the bullet i would think. Maybe like they applied the blood near the RAV ignition too.

So I guess in your mind TH’s DNA was not on the bullet fragment originally. Have any proof of that or that LE put SA’s blood near the ignition switch ? I thought it was that master crime planner Bobby Dassey ?

 

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The State's determination to keep Brendan Dassey in prison.

What about the U.S. Circuit Court ? Personal vendetta against the Dasseys ? And the Supreme Court that wouldn’t hear the case ?

 

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Then how do you explain the opinions of all of the other judges that went against Brendan and why the Supreme Court won't even hear his case ?

If I'm honest, I think they just didn't do their jobs well. Reading Duffin's decision, it's easy to see that he did his research and in doing that, was able to write up a 91 page decision explaining it.

Read and understand all of the evidence, court filings, and the media coverage. Then go back and listen to those interviews. It's much easier to see IMO if you read or watch them knowing what information was known and available, and what wasn't.

 

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If I'm honest, I think they just didn't do their jobs well. Reading Duffin's decision, it's easy to see that he did his research and in doing that, was able to write up a 91 page decision explaining it.

Read and understand all of the evidence, court filings, and the media coverage. Then go back and listen to those interviews. It's much easier to see IMO if you read or watch them knowing what information was known and available, and what wasn't.

Sure none of them did their jobs except for Duffin because his supports the pro-Avery platform.
Starting to see a pattern around here.

 

[missy1974]

Sure none of them did their jobs except for Duffin because his supports the pro-Avery platform.
Starting to see a pattern around here.

Avery could be 100% guilty and Brendan still have nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people that think Avery is guilty but Brendan is innocent, they are not mutually exclusive to each other.

IMO that kid was used. Avery hired Strang and Buting and all of a sudden they were up Brendan's a$$? They also needed a reason to get another search warrant because what they already had in evidence didn't have any of Teresa's DNA on it and they just found out there was a suspected entrance defect to the cranial bones that were recovered.

Just like you seem to think that there is no way he wasn't involved, I read and watch those interviews and cannot for the life me understand how anyone could think he was involved. It is clear as day to me. JMO

ETA: I am curious to know what you think of the Judges that did rule the interview as involuntary? Do you think they did their job well? or not well?

 

[Karinna]

So I guess in your mind TH’s DNA was not on the bullet fragment originally. Have any proof of that or that LE put SA’s blood near the ignition switch ? I thought it was that master crime planner Bobby Dassey ?

No i don't personally have proof of that, but KZ's forensic experts do.
Forensics has progressed since 2005.
What KZ is doing now should of been done back before SA was convicted and that is to give him the right to a fair trial which he didn't get. I believe SA's defense only had 1 or 2 experts compared to about 14 that the state had, so go figure. Of course his trial wasn't fair or right with KK announcing all the lurid details to the public before Trial at his press conference.
KZ doesn't have to prove who did what, but to prove Brady/Denny.

 

[Karinna]

What about the U.S. Circuit Court ? Personal vendetta against the Dasseys ? And the Supreme Court that wouldn’t hear the case ?

BBM,It is very very difficult to get a hearing at the SCOTUS.

 

[Karinna]

Some of the criteria for having a case heard at SCOTUS
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United States Supreme Court decisions have shaped history: important decisions have ended racial segregation, enforced child labor laws, kept firearms away from schools, and given the federal government the teeth it needs to regulate interstate commerce. But how does the Supreme Court decide what cases to hear? If you had something you wanted the Supreme Court to hear, how would you get it there?

From Trial to Supreme Court: Procedure
It is important to note up front that not just any case can be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court. A case must involve an issue of federal law or otherwise fall within the jurisdiction of federal courts. A case that involves only an issue of state law or parties within a state will likely stay within the state court system where that state's supreme court would be the last step.
Every year, the Supreme Court receives about 10,000 petitions for certiorari, but only hears about 80 of them. While no one really knows why some cases get heard but others do not, the Supreme Court has several factors that it considers when deciding what cases to hear:
How Does the U.S. Supreme Court Decide Whether to Hear a Case? - FindLaw

 

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BBM,It is very very difficult to get a hearing at the SCOTUS.

You glossed right over the U.S. Circuit Court but they got it right.

 

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No i don't personally have proof of that, but KZ's forensic experts do.
Forensics has progressed since 2005.
What KZ is doing now should of been done back before SA was convicted and that is to give him the right to a fair trial which he didn't get. I believe SA's defense only had 1 or 2 experts compared to about 14 that the state had, so go figure. Of course his trial wasn't fair or right with KK announcing all the lurid details to the public before Trial at his press conference.
KZ doesn't have to prove who did what, but to prove Brady/Denny.

BBM - They don't have proof of anything - just a theory.

They conducted a test in a controlled environment in broad daylight. How does KZ know if it was dark when Avery tried to turn the ignition key and missed the switch ? She doesn't and can't replicate the conditions as she doesn't know them. The theory of the month is that Bobby Dassey had access to SA's trailer, got the blood from SA's sink, and put it near the ignition switch and also put SA's DNA on the hood latch. Must have been difficult for BoD to do on 11/3-11/4 w/o being seen since KZ says the car was down the road by the old dam.

And like I've said many times, if and when KZ gets an evidentiary hearing, the State will contact the top experts on the country as well to reply to her theories.

And for the record, I didn't then and do not condone now what KK did after BD's confession.

 

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ETA: I am curious to know what you think of the Judges that did rule the interview as involuntary? Do you think they did their job well? or not well?

I think they offered what they thought was a valid opinion. I don't personally agree with it and majority rules. Did they do their job well ? I don't know.

Did the majority who ruled against BD do their job well ? Depends who you ask.

In the decision on Friday, Judge David Hamilton wrote for the majority: “Dassey spoke with the interrogators freely, after receiving and understanding Miranda warnings, and with his mother’s consent. The interrogation took place in a comfortable setting, without any physical coercion or intimidation, without even raised voices, and over a relatively brief time. Dassey provided many of the most damning details himself in response to open‐ended questions. On a number of occasions he resisted the interrogators’ strong suggestions on particular details. Also, the investigators made no specific promises of leniency.”

 

[Karinna]

You glossed right over the U.S. Circuit Court but they got it right.

Yes i glossed over that as you put it because you weren't clear in your post about the circuit court.
Did you mean this one?
In August 2016, a federal magistrate judge ruled that Dassey's confession had been coerced, overturned his conviction, and ordered him released, which was delayed during appeal. In June 2017, a divided panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit affirmed the magistrate’s order overturning Dassey's conviction.

 

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Yes i glossed over that as you put it because you weren't clear in your post about the circuit court.
Did you mean this one?
In August 2016, a federal magistrate judge ruled that Dassey's confession had been coerced, overturned his conviction, and ordered him released, which was delayed during appeal. In June 2017, a divided panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit affirmed the magistrate’s order overturning Dassey's conviction.

No, this one - you know ... the final one. Is that clear enough ?

Court Rules Against Brendan Dassey, Subject of ‘Making a Murderer’

 

[Karinna]

BBM - They don't have proof of anything - just a theory.

They conducted a test in a controlled environment in broad daylight. How does KZ know if it was dark when Avery tried to turn the ignition key and missed the switch ? She doesn't and can't replicate the conditions as she doesn't know them. The theory of the month is that Bobby Dassey had access to SA's trailer, got the blood from SA's sink, and put it near the ignition switch and also put SA's DNA on the hood latch. Must have been difficult for BoD to do on 11/3-11/4 w/o being seen since KZ says the car was down the road by the old dam.

And like I've said many times, if and when KZ gets an evidentiary hearing, the State will contact the top experts on the country as well to reply to her theories.

And for the record, I didn't then and do not condone now what KK did after BD's confession.

BBM, Does a bullet care what time of day it is when shot out of a gun?
Does a vehicle not have interior lights?
But it doesn't matter as i have stated numerous times because KZ does not have to prove what happened to TH,she only has to prove legal violations of Brady/Denny, that i believe she has proven according to what that means. So all the speculation is really a moot point.