Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

[Deleted member 39678]

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[Deleted member 39678]

BBM,So the prosecution is wrong then, and so is BD's coerced confession.
Can a 22 bullet exit through a body?

Sure the prosecution can be wrong and yes a .22LR can go through a human body. JMO

 

[Karinna]

Sure the prosecution can be wrong and yes a .22LR can go through a human body. JMO

But didn't KZ prove in MAM2 when her and her expert were shooting that a 22 bullet doesn't come out the other side of where they were shooting, and the bullet just embeds into what it was shot at?
And if the prosecution got it wrong then why coerce BD to tell lies about what they wanted him to say to support their iffy narrative?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But didn't KZ prove in MAM2 when her and her expert were shooting that a 22 bullet doesn't come out the other side of where they were shooting, and the bullet just embeds into what it was shot at?
And if the prosecution got it wrong then why coerce BD to tell lies about what they wanted him to say to support their iffy narrative?

I didn't watch MaM2. What part of the human body did they simulate and what kind of ammunition did they use?

 

[Saul Vesalot]

I didn't watch MaM2. What part of the human body did they simulate and what kind of ammunition did they use?

If I remember correctly, they used a pig shoulder blade since the thickness is similar to that of a human skull. They used a rifle. So I presume .22lr.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

BBM - bullcarp - absent of a body and video of the crime, there was/is plenty of other evidence and that was used to convict ... BD. For me, there is really nothing else to discuss here as IMO, they have the correct killers locked up.

Earlier you admitted there was nothing but the confession pointing to Brendan. Now you're back to claiming there is evidence again. Please point to the 3 strongest pieces of forensic evidence linking Brendan to the murder. Thanks in advance!

There is a lot with Steven but you have to trust a police force in order to trust the investigation. The LE in Manitowoc have given people plenty of opportunity to distrust them. If the investigators are untrustworthy, people don't trust the investigation.

 

[proudfootz]

If I remember correctly, they used a pig shoulder blade since the thickness is similar to that of a human skull. They used a rifle. So I presume .22lr.

Part of that demonstration was to inquire whether a .22 from short range would likely go through a person's head. I wouldn't rule it out entirely.

 

[proudfootz]

I thought that Zellner has tests that show the bullet didn't go through bone so that means it didn't hit Teresa's head like the prosecutions theory claims.

What if this bullet hit somewhere in Teresa's body causing significant damage while not hitting bone and then cleared her body?

I think that is the only way the bullet fragment could be salvaged for the prosecution.

However I haven't seen any persuasive forensic evidence the bullet wasn't lying around for months before October 2005.

Just MOO

 

[missy1974]

Everything BD said is unconfirmable as we weren't there as we either choose to use his story or we don't. I choose to believe him. Add Kayla Avery backing off her statements to the police as another factor. I don't know how much of BD's story is true, but I choose to believe he was involved to a degree if not fully involved. Most of the pro-Avery crowd doesn't believe anything BD says as it blows all of their alternate suspect theories out of the water.

Here's another opinion ...

Brendan Dassey Told the Truth - Period

BBM

For myself, I don't believe anything Brendan says in his interviews because I know all of the evidence and have listened to, watched and read the transcripts numerous times. I wish I had the time to break them all down, show what evidence was already known, whether through the media, court documents or whatever. Drizin and Nirider did a good job of doing that in their filings, but even they couldn't list everything. Duffin broke it down pretty good in his 91 page decision as well.

The court filings can be found here: Dassey’s Appeal Documents – Steven Avery Trial Transcripts and Documents

 

[Karinna]

I didn't watch MaM2. What part of the human body did they simulate and what kind of ammunition did they use?

The ammo. they used would of been the same as in the .22 that was in Avery's trailer because it was a reconstruction of how the shooting would of happened according to the state.
In episode 7 of MAM2, KZ & forensic ballistics consultant Luke Haag set up bovine scapulas which would of been the same thickness as a human skull bone. A few shots fired into the bone and it only penetrated one of the scapulas with a very small hole, but didn't do anything to the second one. Therefore debunking entry & exit into a human skull with such a weapon and bullets.

 

[Karinna]

According to Culhane's testimony as forensic examiner of the bullet that supposedly shot the victim TH in the head, she detected no bone fragments present in her test/s.
If exhibit FL went through skull entry & exit according to KZ's expert there would of been fragments of bone present in the lead of bullet.

 

[Sustained]

But we as a society know that a confession just is not enough. Police agencies know this. This is why it is standard procedure to try to confirm confessions and police are trained to hold back information.

So appeals court judges are not part of society ?

BBM

For myself, I don't believe anything Brendan says in his interviews because I know all of the evidence and have listened to, watched and read the transcripts numerous times. I wish I had the time to break them all down, show what evidence was already known, whether through the media, court documents or whatever. Drizin and Nirider did a good job of doing that in their filings, but even they couldn't list everything. Duffin broke it down pretty good in his 91 page decision as well.

The court filings can be found here: Dassey’s Appeal Documents – Steven Avery Trial Transcripts and Documents

Then how do you explain the opinions of all of the other judges that went against Brendan and why the Supreme Court won't even hear his case ?

 

[Sustained]

I think that is the only way the bullet fragment could be salvaged for the prosecution.

However I haven't seen any persuasive forensic evidence the bullet wasn't lying around for months before October 2005.

Just MOO

BBM - I have - the bullet fragment had TH's DNA on it.

 

[Sustained]

Earlier you admitted there was nothing but the confession pointing to Brendan. Now you're back to claiming there is evidence again. Please point to the 3 strongest pieces of forensic evidence linking Brendan to the murder. Thanks in advance!

There is a lot with Steven but you have to trust a police force in order to trust the investigation. The LE in Manitowoc have given people plenty of opportunity to distrust them. If the investigators are untrustworthy, people don't trust the investigation.

When I said multiple pieces of evidence, I think you know I meant both SA/BD. The confessions were plenty for BD to be convicted.

 

[Karinna]

So appeals court judges are not part of society ?


Then how do you explain the opinions of all of the other judges that went against Brendan and why the Supreme Court won't even hear his case ?

Dassey: 7th Circuit AFFIRMS Judge Duffin in 2-1 decision.
Brendan Dassey's Habeas Corpus Petition Granted

 

[CoolJ]

I thought that Zellner has tests that show the bullet didn't go through bone so that means it didn't hit Teresa's head like the prosecutions theory claims.

What if this bullet hit somewhere in Teresa's body causing significant damage while not hitting bone and then cleared her body?

The problem is that there are now too many “what ifs?”

Zellner has completely debunked the states narrative. No, she hasn’t yet conclusively proven innocence for SA or guilt of the real killer.

But the states narrative has been proven to be a fairy tale.

A new trial or at the very least, an evidentiary hearing, is the right and just thing to do at this point. Any fool can see that.

Yet, we have a small faction of people who are fighting against that tooth and nail, with everything they have. Fighting against the truth coming to light. I will repeat that... They are fighting against the TRUTH.

Without truth, there is no Justice for Teresa.

I wish more people could see what is going on here. It is unfathomable.

 

[Karinna]

BBM - I have - the bullet fragment had TH's DNA on it.

KZ's forensic expert with his awesome Electron Microscopy machine debunked most of that nonsense.

 

[Karinna]

The problem is that there are now too many “what ifs?”

Zellner has completely debunked the states narrative. No, she hasn’t yet conclusively proven innocence for SA or guilt of the real killer.

But the states narrative has been proven to be a fairy tale.

A new trial or at the very least, an evidentiary hearing, is the right and just thing to do at this point. Any fool can see that.

Yet, we have a small faction of people who are fighting against that tooth and nail, with everything they have. Fighting against the truth coming to light. I will repeat that... They are fighting against the TRUTH.

Without truth, there is no Justice for Teresa.

I wish more people could see what is going on here. It is unfathomable.

This^^^. The Truth and nothing but the Truth.

 

[SJ16321]

I happen to think the investigation was well done.

Wow. I've spoken with plenty of people who think Avery did it, never have I spoke to anyone who thought the investigation was carried out properly.

Even if they've got the right people in jail, it still doesn't make it a good investigation. They couldn't even keep an accurate time log for crying out loud. I've watched a lot of crime programmes and read up on loads of cases but this is quite possibly one of the most laughably poor LE departments I've ever seen. They literally couldn't even do the basics right.

Whether that was honest negligence or on purpose we'll never know.

 

[claudianunes]

Come on, that kid was sitting in jail and his biggest worry was the fact that he was going to miss Wrestlemania. He didn't even understand what was going on for a long time. He was manipulated for sure.