Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

[Saul Vesalot]

I happen to think the investigation was well done

Wowwwww.

You weren't there and neither was I

So what?

- but SA's DNA was found in the Rav4 and BD says he went with SA to move the RaV4. He also said helped kill TH and dispose of the body.

He also said a bunch of stuff that was objectively untrue.

You choose to discount all of his statements and confessions.

I'm choosing to discount things that don't have evidence. What you are doing and what I am doing are not the same

I don't and most of the judges on appeal don't either.

So what? That doesn't change what is true and what isn't.

And it was reality when BD was sitting in those police interviews.

So when he said he was innocent that was reality? Or only the parts you find to be convenient are?

And you think I want BD to be guilty ? I would love it if there was evidence to get this kid out of jail. But after many appeals by skilled lawyers, it ain't happening.

You literally said you're choosing to believe what you want to believe.[/QUOTE]

 

[Karinna]

You are guessing and have no idea since you were not there. Brendan's confessions have now been ruled admissible by how many judges and appeals courts. Why did the Supreme Court refuse to hear the case if this is such an obvious case of a 16-year-old being strung along by investigators ?

Tell me what am i guessing?
BD won his habeus appeal. Judge Duffin overturned his conviction.
The whole thing with BD's case on appeal centred around the coerced confession and nothing else.

 

[Sustained]

BBM, No you're wrong.
(quote)
Exclusive: 'Making a Murderer' Lawyers Respond to Steven Avery's Criticism They Were Ineffective

Making a Murderer lawyers Dean Strang and Jerry Buting may no longer be representing Steven Avery in his high-profile murder case, but they tell Newsweek they are happy to have their defense in the original 2007 trial deemed ineffective if it helps Avery go free on appeal.
Exclusive: 'Making a Murderer' lawyers respond to criticism from Steven Avery

Actually, no I'm not wrong. Happy to have their defense deemed ineffective DOES NOT mean they think they were ineffective. It's simply a legal tactic used by all appellate lawyers in an attempt to win a new trial.

 

[Sustained]

Tell me what am i guessing?
BD won his habeus appeal. Judge Duffin overturned his conviction.
The whole thing with BD's case on appeal centred around the coerced confession and nothing else.

You're guessing that BD is confabulating. The only way you would know for sure would be if you were on the Avery property at 2:30pm onward on 10/31/05.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

Why am I supposed to take you seriously ?

Because I can and do make good arguments. His introduction is literally an ad hominem attack against people who disagree with him and him acting as if juries are infallible. He's either wildly ignorant or dishonest. Or both.

Because you believe BD's confession to be totally false ? Certainly you can prove this with evidence, right ?

Actually I think he is innocent because of the lack of evidence. You realize a person is innocent until proven guilty right? The onus is on the prosecution to make their case. It would actually be a physical and logical impossibility for him to prove he wasn't involved.

 

[Karinna]

You're guessing that BD is confabulating. The only way you would know for sure would be if you were on the Avery property at 2:30pm onward on 10/31/05.

Have you actually listened to his confession?

 

[Sustained]

Your statement - So what? That doesn't change what is true and what isn't.

You have no idea of what is true or not. You weren't there and neither was I. All you have is an opinion about BD's confessions.

 

[Karinna]

Actually, no I'm not wrong. Happy to have their defense deemed ineffective DOES NOT mean they think they were ineffective. It's simply a legal tactic used by all appellate lawyers in an attempt to win a new trial.

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[Sustained]

Well Saul ... all we have is BD's confessions and the courts have ruled his confession admissible. So there's really nothing else to discuss and
the only way BD ever gets out of prison is with evidence exonerating him.

 

[Sustained]

Have you actually listened to his confession?

Many times and also listened to his phone calls with Barb. The appeals courts have as well.

 

[Karinna]

You're guessing that BD is confabulating. The only way you would know for sure would be if you were on the Avery property at 2:30pm onward on 10/31/05.

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But the pair told Newsweek that they were not offended, and in fact, felt it was warranted.

"It’s a case where we as trial counsel could have missed something that could have been significant," Strang explained. "We really did want fresh eyes to look at all of the issues, including whether we possibly rendered ineffective assistance of counsel."
Everything Dean Strang's Been Up To Since 'Making A Murderer' Part 1
Yes they did admit it.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

Your statement - So what? That doesn't change what is true and what isn't.

You have no idea of what is true or not. You weren't there and neither was I. All you have is an opinion about BD's confessions.

I'm trying to follow actual evidence that exists.

A competent investigation collects and organizes evidence that, get this, allows people to unambiguously see what happened, as best as best as possible. The fact that you don't know what happened belies the fact that the investigation was a failure.

 

[Karinna]

Well Saul ... all we have is BD's confessions and the courts have ruled his confession admissible. So there's really nothing else to discuss and
the only way BD ever gets out of prison is with evidence exonerating him.

BBM, That could still happen IMO.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

Well Saul ... all we have is BD's confessions and the courts have ruled his confession admissible. So there's really nothing else to discuss and
the only way BD ever gets out of prison is with evidence exonerating him.

But we as a society know that a confession just is not enough. Police agencies know this. This is why it is standard procedure to try to confirm confessions and police are trained to hold back information.

 

[Sustained]

I'm trying to follow actual evidence that exists.

A competent investigation collects and organizes evidence that, get this, allows people to unambiguously see what happened, as best as best as possible. The fact that you don't know what happened belies the fact that the investigation was a failure.

BBM - bullcarp - absent of a body and video of the crime, there was/is plenty of other evidence and that was used to convict SA/BD. For me, there is really nothing else to discuss here as IMO, they have the correct killers locked up.

 

[Sustained]

BBM, That could still happen IMO.

BBM - IMO, that will never happen.

 

[Karinna]

BBM - IMO, that will never happen.

I am okay to agree to disagree with you.

 

[Karinna]

BBM - bullcarp - absent of a body and video of the crime, there was/is plenty of other evidence and that was used to convict SA/BD. For me, there is really nothing else to discuss here as IMO, they have the correct killers locked up.

BBM, Then why keep discussing it?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And now since KZ has taken the Avery case we know that the magic bullet showed no evidence of having shot TH.
What was the waxy substance found by KZ's forensic expert? Chap stick with TH's DNA on it?

I thought that Zellner has tests that show the bullet didn't go through bone so that means it didn't hit Teresa's head like the prosecutions theory claims.

What if this bullet hit somewhere in Teresa's body causing significant damage while not hitting bone and then cleared her body?

 

[Karinna]

I thought that Zellner has tests that show the bullet didn't go through bone so that means it didn't hit Teresa's head like the prosecutions theory claims.

What if this bullet hit somewhere in Teresa's body causing significant damage while not hitting bone and then cleared her body?

BBM,So the prosecution is wrong then, and so is BD's coerced confession.
Can a 22 bullet exit through a body?