GUILTY CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #12

[Lilibet]

Words fail me, and we haven’t even heard everything yet.

If there isn’t a plea deal reached, this case will take at least another 18 months to go to trial. Two years from arrest seems to be the minimum nowadays.

The defense attorneys will fight hard about every charge and every shred of evidence because that’s their job. I honestly don’t envy them if they are court-appointed. They can’t get out of this and have to put on a strong defense. At some point they will probably blame the victims.

But keep in mind that a strong defense means little chance of a successful appeal when they are ultimately found guilty and sentenced to the maximum. That’s the goal we have to keep in sight while the attorneys do their best to get these two monsters aquitted. It’s going to be a bumpy ride for everyone, including us.

 

[Hoosgirl]

As the Turpin parents appeared for a second day at a preliminary hearing, their seven adult children were in an adjacent courthouse for a closed-door guardianship proceeding.

Jack Osborn, a lawyer for the adult children, said no decision was reached on appointing the Riverside County as their long-term guardian. Bailiffs cleared the hallway after the appearance for the privacy of the children who could be seen from a distance in silhouette as they were ushered out of view.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...-starving-shackling-their-kids-to-face-trial/

 

[MaryG12]

I see that David Turpin received a haircut:

Prosecutor: Abused kids upbringing like 'Lord of the Flies'

About two years ago, her mother choked the girl for watching a Justin Bieber video on a cellphone borrowed from her sister, telling her: "You want to die and go to hell," according to Campos.
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DT and LT are sick and deserve life in jail.

 

[Amonet]

Jeremy Chen
@JeremyChenKESQ
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Defense: Thin evidence of abuse for David #Turpin in California.

Defense: Citing how one daughter had a social media account as an example of why ALL torture counts should be dismissed. Older siblings not confined to their rooms. Says it's an "easy call".

Defense: Charges must fail as none of the alleged victims are dependent adults because they have no drivers license, no physical or developmental disabilities. Attorney is referring to charges of abuse to dependent adult. #Turpin

Can someone please help my poor little brain, here? Is he saying the over-18 offspring can't be called dependent adults because they aren't adults due to not having DL?

I think it might be the shorthand nature of the Tweets that makes it sound odd.

I am interpreting it to mean that the attorney argued that not having a drivers license does not make someone a dependent adult; none of them have physical or developmental difficulties that would cause them to be dependent adults.

 

[RickshawFan]

Can someone please help my poor little brain, here? Is he saying the over-18 offspring can't be called dependent adults because they aren't adults due to not having DL?

He’s presumably arguing that although they’re adults, they can’t be considered “dependent adults”. Prosecutor gives reasons why they fit the definition.

“Dependent adults” have protected status. E.g. elderly folks that are easily victimized by caregivers and family. They are defenseless. There is also mandatory reporting for elder abuse, same as for kids. Disabled folks also have protected status.

The older kids were almost in every aspect “dependent adults” IMO. For starters, they were treated as though children and possessions, not as adults.

 

[RickshawFan]

When would Louise go for an insanity plea? (if she does)

Do you think that would even be a winnable plea? There was too much malice, programmatic violence, consistency, and for so many years. That doesn’t seem like insanity to me.

 

[RickshawFan]

You would think the awful stench of the inside of the home would permeate his clothes and hair.

He could have belonged to a gym. Workout and shower before work. He also worked for a well-heeled company: there might have been a shower on site.

Also, the kids were confined to their rooms and one bathroom?

LT might have found out they were in her bedroom because they left an odor?

I can’t remember if the stench was noticeable throught the house.

 

[keeleydoll]

He could have belonged to a gym. Workout and shower before work. He also worked for a well-heeled company: there might have been a shower on site.

Also, the kids were confined to their rooms and one bathroom?

LT might have found out they were in her bedroom because they left an odor?

I can’t remember if the stench was noticeable throught the house.

From personal experience with a filthy hoarder relative, the smell would have permeated all clothes and every room of the house.

I just will never be able to understand any of this at all. My oldest is 18 now, just took a management position today and is saving up for a car and his own place. My kids started “helping” with things like laundry at very young ages and upwards of 10 or 11 have been responsible for their laundry, clean bed sheets, etc.. I cook several meals a day because of different dietary requirements but even down to the 3 year old they happily help with picking foods, cooking and dishes. What in the world is wrong with these people that they wanted to keep their adult offspring perpetual children?! How can a person deliberately starve or chain up a child? They certainly had the financial means to properly care for the kids. It is just breaking my heart that the 11 year old literally stopped growing at ~4 because of extreme emotional neglect.

 

[Amonet]

Do you think that would even be a winnable plea? There was too much malice, programmatic violence, consistency, and for so many years. That doesn’t seem like insanity to me.

LT going crazy over a daughter listening to Justin Bieber and saying stuff about the devil and going to hell....maybe the defense could argue that part of the reason for shutting the kids away was to protect them from the evils of the outside world? But I'm not sure how well that would work as the siblings endured so much cruelty inside the home.

That story also made me wonder if LT had experienced something similar when she was a teen and listening to 'modern' music of her day and maybe her parents told her it was the music of the devil and she'd go to hell for listening to it. This is something I think that's come up in the threads before, that LT and DT seem to have created a world for themselves that's a very odd mixture of conservative Christian upbringing and Elvis, Disney, the sleeveless wedding dress and other things that would likely be frowned upon in the conservative Christian world that they probably both grew up in. Add to that the abuse LT allegedly suffered within that paradigm and how it probably did end up with a lot of twisted thoughts in her head from being told one thing in no uncertain terms and yet abused in a dark mirror image of what she was taught (for instance dress modestly and avoid boys, but lay back and let a male relative use your body for his sick pleasure).

I don't think any of that is truly a defense, you've got to do better for your children, not give them the worst of all worlds. Even if DT and LT have been mentally affected by things like that in their childhood, and maybe some of it started off as children should stay quietly in their room and be extra polite when they do come out, I think DT and LT have gone beyond that being a parenting error into enjoying the power of the abuser over their children.

 

[Jennifer17]

Of all the awful things that they did to those children, being made to put on dirty, soiled clothing is the straw that broke the camels back for me. Just terrible.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

'House of horrors' mom weeps in court as she hears 17-year-old daughter's 911 call | Daily Mail Online

This link also has some pics from today. Gotta love the DM, noticing how long LTs fingernails have gotten in jail. anyway, I wish LT and DT weren’t allowed to sit by one another.

I didn’t see a pic but the link claims LT wipes tears away when hearing the 911 call. Crocodile tears imo

Eta - ewww the second pic of fjngernails is DT. Those are noteworthy fingernails lol. I take it back DM, that is something worth showing lol

Positively demonic...a velociraptor parading around in human skin.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Rob McMillan
@abc7robmcmillan
#TurpinCase Media has requested copies of photographs and 911 calls. There are redacted copies. But the court is returning them to the DA's office. They're not under seal.
2:37 PM · Jun 21, 2018

#TurpinCase But, the DA's office issued this statement yesterday: "We do not comment on or release evidence in pending criminal prosecutions."
2:38 PM · Jun 21, 2018

#TurpinCase Defense atty: "There's enough publicity on this case already. We don't need those pictures circulating."
2:39 PM · Jun 21, 2018

 

[Hoosgirl]

Brian Rokos
@Brian_Rokos
The judge said he would not put the 911 tape or the 2 photos of the girls in chains under seal. The district attorney’s office, however, won’t release them, citing the existence of an ongoing case.
2:51 PM · Jun 21, 2018

 

[RickshawFan]

LT going crazy over a daughter listening to Justin Bieber and saying stuff about the devil and going to hell....maybe the defense could argue that part of the reason for shutting the kids away was to protect them from the evils of the outside world? But I'm not sure how well that would work as the siblings endured so much cruelty inside the home.

That story also made me wonder if LT had experienced something similar when she was a teen and listening to 'modern' music of her day and maybe her parents told her it was the music of the devil and she'd go to hell for listening to it. This is something I think that's come up in the threads before, that LT and DT seem to have created a world for themselves that's a very odd mixture of conservative Christian upbringing and Elvis, Disney, the sleeveless wedding dress and other things that would likely be frowned upon in the conservative Christian world that they probably both grew up in. Add to that the abuse LT allegedly suffered within that paradigm and how it probably did end up with a lot of twisted thoughts in her head from being told one thing in no uncertain terms and yet abused in a dark mirror image of what she was taught (for instance dress modestly and avoid boys, but lay back and let a male relative use your body for his sick pleasure).

I don't think any of that is truly a defense, you've got to do better for your children, not give them the worst of all worlds. Even if DT and LT have been mentally affected by things like that in their childhood, and maybe some of it started off as children should stay quietly in their room and be extra polite when they do come out, I think DT and LT have gone beyond that being a parenting error into enjoying the power of the abuser over their children.

I'm not sure about this.....

Both LT and DT were out and about. He had a good job (though maybe not recently?). Even with a background like the one you describe (which no doubt takes places in tens of thousands of households in the US), there were plenty of other models for parenting.

Even as pre-natal care (LT had the babies in hospitals), there would have been instruction in how to be a nurturing parent. That's kinda the point once you get past the labor education?

Even more fundamentally, these folks were going to the grocery store and Walmarts, etc. You can't even get to the cash register without all kinds of stuff related to child-rearing, good and bad.

Finally, LT and DT took care of the youngest, evidently, so they did know something about appropriate care of a child.

(Interesting side note: since the judge decided not to charge for mistreatment of the 2-year-old, it's going to stick out like a sore thumb that DT and LT were selective in their torture and knew better. They did okay with one kid: must've known what was appropriate.)

 

[Betty P]

Of all the awful things that they did to those children, being made to put on dirty, soiled clothing is the straw that broke the camels back for me. Just terrible.

I'm trying to figure out if she was just lazy and disorganized. She didn't want to bother with doing the work necessary to manage a family of that size - doing laundry, cleaning house, cooking meals, etc. When you make the decision to have a family that large, you have to take on those responsibilities, including teaching the kids to help out with household chores as they grow old enough. You're required to learn the necessary skills for managing a household that size.

JMO, LT and DT were too lazy and narcissistic to learn how to care for the family they chose to create. They developed systems and schedules that provided less than minimal care for their kids while still giving them total control over them.
I wonder what kind of family/home environments they were raised in.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm trying to figure out if she was just lazy and disorganized. She didn't want to bother with doing the work necessary to manage a family of that size - doing laundry, cleaning house, cooking meals, etc. When you make the decision to have a family that large, you have to take on those responsibilities, including teaching the kids to help out with household chores as they grow old enough. You're required to learn the necessary skills for managing a household that size.

JMO, LT and DT were too lazy and narcissistic to learn how to care for the family they chose to create. They developed systems and schedules that provided less than minimal care for their kids while still giving them total control over them.
I wonder what kind of family/home environments they were raised in.

I'm trying to figure out if she was just lazy and disorganized. She didn't want to bother with doing the work necessary to manage a family of that size - doing laundry, cleaning house, cooking meals, etc. When you make the decision to have a family that large, you have to take on those responsibilities, including teaching the kids to help out with household chores as they grow old enough. You're required to learn the necessary skills for managing a household that size.

JMO, LT and DT were too lazy and narcissistic to learn how to care for the family they chose to create. They developed systems and schedules that provided less than minimal care for their kids while still giving them total control over them.
I wonder what kind of family/home environments they were raised in.

But even when the children were old enough to look after themselves, they wouldn't allow it. They were not allowed to wash their hands above the wrists and not allowed to bathe. That is just meanness for the sake of it IMO.

 

[mpnola]

And they dictated torture from miles away for years. I'm sure if the kids were let out of cages, they would have fed and cleaned themselves. This was torture. Pure and simple. Not ignorance. Not laziness. Not wanting to keep them children. It was a way for them to feel powerful by torturing humans who had no choice but to follow their commands.

 

[Jennifer17]

I suppose that they were easier to chain up and throw around the room if they were thin and half starved.

 

[Jax49]

Jeremy Chen
@JeremyChenKESQ

Prosecutors: On average children were 32 lbs underweight. Says Father wanted to see children starving, skinny and smelling.

Snipped for focus. bbm

Sickening.

 

[Jennifer17]

Snipped for focus. bbm

Sickening.

Unbelievable. Sick, sick people.