GUILTY CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #12

[LietKynes]

It would be nice if there was some way that the parents could never be allowed to contact those kids.
I still fear what things they could be telling them !

 

[Doghairrules]

The hearing for anyone who missed it:

Dad sounds like the narcissist some of us thought he must be. I was surprised to be moved by mom’s statement. I think she was perhaps depressed and overwhelmed. But she knows and acknowledged that she hurt the children. Good for her!

I am amazed by the progress of the adult children!!! I hope the little ones are doing as well.

 

[Doghairrules]

Wow Joy's statement was something else. I wonder if her siblings agree with her. She seemed awfully forgiving. I wonder if she didn't get abused as much as the others or was a favorite.

I just don't understand how they did what they did, it seems they truly love each other and the kids. The ultra religious stuff is nuts. Also, that David seems like the patriarch controlling kind, all of this is his fault IMO. He groomed Louise to do what she did. Anyway. I'm glad it's over. What I wouldn't give to read those diaries!

I am very worried about the amount that Jane Doe #5 minimized the abuse. It just is not possible that they were given as much food as they needed and were all severely malnourished. So her statement doesn’t seem particularly rooted in reality. I hope all the kids continue to receive therapy so they can process what they’ve been through.

 

[Doghairrules]

According to some statements she was the ringleader. No way am I going to accept that she was some poor, abused woman being forced to abuse and torture her kids by her husband. I recognize her type. She seems like a total borderline to me.

They are equally responsible.

Fair enough. :wink:

 

[Doghairrules]

I didn't see the flirting with her attorney. But the tears at least seemed real. She was probably crying for herself. More than likely.

I have such mixed feelings about her, although I will officially defer to @gitana1. But I did see her trying to smile at her oldest son as he was speaking. I think at least some of what she said and felt was real.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Emotional abuse is a form of psychological abuse that includes isolation. These children have suffered enormously at the hands of their “parents” and it is far too early to know the long term effects and how it will impact their lives.

Sadly, this was the only life these children knew. While it's horrendous and beyond our comprehension how they were abused and mistreated, they had endured it all their lives and it was the norm for them. This is why I believe some of them have minimized and/or justified all that has happened.

The following is from an interesting article on the subject.

Psychological abuse is even harder on kids than we thought

"It was only when researchers looked at kids who had endured both physical and sexual abuse that they saw similar odds of behavioral problems and psychological disorders as seen in the kids who’d been psychologically abused. (Psychological abuse can take myriad forms, but a few common forms are acts by caregivers that belittle, demean, bully, withhold affection from, exploit or isolate a child.)"

So far it seems that the children are making good progress, but I found a few of the statements quite worrying.

 

[JudgeJudi]

A 21 year old daughter asked the judge to give her parents a lighter sentence because “they believed everything they did was to protect us.” She expressed a desire to talk to them again.

Her brother read our her statement.

“I love both my parents so much. Although it may not have been the best way of raising us, I’m glad they did, because it made me the person I am today. I want the court to know that our parents loved each other and loved each of their children. I remember our mother sitting in her recliner and crying, saying she don’t know what to do. She didn’t want to use rope or chain, but she was afraid her children were taking in too much sugar and caffeine.”

The statement said that the parents continued buying soda because “father needed it for work”.

“I pray often for them,” the daughter wrote.

The couple’s eldest daughter walked into the room in tears, holding hands with a prosecutor.

She said, “Life may have been bad, but it made me strong. I fought to become the person that I am. I saw my dad change my mum. They almost changed me, but I realised what was happening. I’m a fighter. I’m strong and I’m shooting through life like a rocket.”

The Turpins wiped away tears before their eldest son then addressed the court about his ordeal. The 26-year-old man (“John Doe 2”), said he couldn’t “describe in words what we went through growing up. Sometimes I still have nightmares of things that happened such as my siblings being chained up or getting beaten,” he said as his voice cracked. “But that is the past and this is now. I love my parents and have forgiven them.”

According to LT’s lawyer, 10 of the children have 10-year restraining orders in place. Two have 5-year restraining orders and one had the restraining order dropped.

The orders prevented the Turpins from having contact with the children — whether in person, by mail, phone, social media or through third parties.

House of horrors daughter defends parents: ‘Mother didn’t want to use rope and chain’

 

[JudgeJudi]

"I'm sorry for everything I've done to hurt my children," Louise Turpin said, adding she believes God has a special plan for each of them. "I love them more than they could ever imagine." Really!!! Jordan said in the 911 call, “I don’t know much about my mother. She doesn’t like us. She doesn’t spend time with us ever”.

Even in my wildest dreams I cannot imagine that she loves them or ever did.

"I thank God for all of my children," David Turpin's statement read, adding that he is sorry "if I've done anything to cause them harm." If ?????? This man is a monster and has shown no remorse. Tears? Yep, sure … but only for himself.

God must have heard some prayers ... "Deliver us from evil".

Turpin case: Parents sentenced to 25 years to life in prison after their children testify about years of torture - CNN

 

[JudgeJudi]

I think she was perhaps depressed and overwhelmed. But she knows and acknowledged that she hurt the children. Good for her!

No normal person would even think of doing what she's done. To me, acknowledging it now means nothing. Does she expect anyone to believe that she hasn't had one single moment for self-reflection in over 30 years.

Giving birth doesn't make you a mother any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

 

[Elley Mae]

Under California's Elderly Parole Program, all inmates older than 60 who have served 25 years — except those on death row, sentenced to life without the possibility of parole or convicted of murdering a police officer — are eligible for parole consideration.

The Turpins were sentenced to 25 years-to-life in prison at Friday's sentencing. Louise is now 50 and David is 57. They could be eligible to appear before a parole board in 2044, when he is 82 and she is 75.

Parole reform gives older Californians, including David and Louise Turpin, hope for early release

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Very disappointed.

They should never be released.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

This one, quoted by Brian Rokos, is curious too:
One of the female victims said “I saw my dad change my mom. They almost changed me.”

Did you take that to mean brainwashing or some variation thereof?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Sibling #1 - Jenn.; born in 1988; female.
Sibling #2 - Josh.; born in 1992; male.
Sibling #3 - Jess.; born in 1993; female.
Sibling #4 - Jon.; born in 1995; male.
Sibling #5 - Jo.; born in 1997; female.
Sibling #6 - Juli.; born in 1998; female.
Sibling #7 - Jea.; born in 1999; female.
Sibling #8 - Jor.; born in 2000; female.
Sibling #9 - Jam.; born in 2002; male.
Sibling #10 - Joan.; born in 2003; female.
Sibling #11 - Jol.; born in 2004; female.
Sibling #12 - Jul.; born in 2005; female.
Sibling #13 - Jan.; born in 2015; female.

Does anyone else find peculiar the 10-year gap between sibs 12 and 13? (Given how frequent and regular were the intervals between the other births?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The children who spoke seemed so forgiving of their parents. I wonder if they feel some sort of reversed guilt.... I appreciate their kindness and willingness to forgive and I do believe their wishes should be respected. With that being said... almost Stockholm syndrome ish.

I wish them all the world has to offer. I am not particularly religious, but in their case I am grateful they have God to be a father to them. Seems to give them a truly beautiful strength.

Again... is the gravity of the parents being locked up somehow minimizing the legitimacy of their experience - because what they went through is actual torture.

It's probable that they may feel some measure of protectiveness over their parents still. When abuse happens in devoutly religious homes, the victims frequently will desire to honor a tenant of most faiths, forgiveness. The anger over what was taken from them may not have set in yet. Or, I'm hopeful this is the case, they each have been able to find true strength in their faith and in drawing support from each other and have been able to forgive their torturers.

 

[claudianunes]

Does anyone else find peculiar the 10-year gap between sibs 12 and 13? (Given how frequent and regular were the intervals between the other births?

She was having some trouble getting pregnant for a while, she was even going to a fertility clinic and then she had the youngest baby.

 

[SandyQLS]

If you scroll down, awhile ago he said this:
"Raider, the @CoronaPD comfort dog, just entered the courtroom. Raider goes to court hearings to comfort witnesses and victims. This all but confirms an appearance by some of the Turpin children."

Very nice article about the comfort K-9.
Corona Police K-9 Who’s Been Comforting Turpin Children Since Their Rescue Was by Their Side During Parents’ Sentencing

"...As the children of David and Louise Turpin spoke about taking their life back and the nightmares they still have, a yellow Labrador sat quietly next to them.

The dog, Raider, has been meeting with the siblings ever since their parents were arrested early last year and their lives were turned upside-down.

...Roulston said one of the Turpin children asked authorities to allow Raider to be with them Friday during their parents’ sentencing hearing at the Riverside County Superior Court. They took turns petting him and he sat still by their side when two of them offered testimony about how they suffered at the hands of their parents. ..."

 

[forthelost]

I remember our mother sitting in her recliner and crying, saying she don’t know what to do. She didn’t want to use rope or chain, but she was afraid her children were taking in too much sugar and caffeine.”

They were being starved, and she knew that, so I doubt this is the case. Some sugar would have at least given them calories.

 

[mickey2942]

Did you take that to mean brainwashing or some variation thereof?

I am just glad that the Mother received an equal prison sentence to the Father. I can't stand the "Hedda Nussbaum Defense" ie..dependent personality disorder! Nope, you did it, you participated, you never stopped the abuse.

As for the children, who knows how their story will end up? Some will be okay, some will probably never recover. I think that there is a lot more that occurred that was not released to the public.

 

[gitana1]

Emotional abuse is a form of psychological abuse that includes isolation. These children have suffered enormously at the hands of their “parents” and it is far too early to know the long term effects and how it will impact their lives.

Sadly, this was the only life these children knew. While it's horrendous and beyond our comprehension how they were abused and mistreated, they had endured it all their lives and it was the norm for them. This is why I believe some of them have minimized and/or justified all that has happened.

The following is from an interesting article on the subject.

Psychological abuse is even harder on kids than we thought

"It was only when researchers looked at kids who had endured both physical and sexual abuse that they saw similar odds of behavioral problems and psychological disorders as seen in the kids who’d been psychologically abused. (Psychological abuse can take myriad forms, but a few common forms are acts by caregivers that belittle, demean, bully, withhold affection from, exploit or isolate a child.)"

So far it seems that the children are making good progress, but I found a few of the statements quite worrying.

Agreed. But to try to be positive, they're much farther along than maybe expected at this stage.

I think my expectations are probably unrealistic.

I mean these kids were super damaged. And like you said this is all they've known.

Emotionally they're probably doing super well considering.

If they've come this far along so soon I've got to expect that eventually they will understand much more about what their parents did to them and how bad it was.

 

[gitana1]

Did you take that to mean brainwashing or some variation thereof?

I took it to mean turn her into a monster.

That's a pretty astute observation with subtle and sensitive nuance, from someone in her postition. They seem very smart.

 

[gitana1]

Does anyone else find peculiar the 10-year gap between sibs 12 and 13? (Given how frequent and regular were the intervals between the other births?

No. She was at the end of her reproductive capabilities. She also had fertility assistance from what we've seen of comments she's made in the past. So I think it wasn't easy for her to get pregnant with the last.