CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #5

[bonjoviblonde]

That 7th grade photo of Louise reminds me of Jodi Arias.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I went outside to walk the dog and apparently missed a whole lot.

I will back up and read. What is going on with new info on DT? And what trip across country? Is that what the school bus was going to be for?

The trip to Alabama wherein she "visited" with another man. Where were the children meanwhile?

 

[December]

I went outside to walk the dog and apparently missed a whole lot.

I will back up and read. What is going on with new info on DT? And what trip across country? Is that what the school bus was going to be for?

Louise told her sister Teresa that David took her to Huntsville to hook up with some dude.

 

[birdsmomma]

I'm sorry if I missed this but do we know an approx. of when the abuse started? I've seen some state 2010 but that seems so unrealistic to me as the oldest girl would have been 22 years old? Thanks

 

[margarita25]

Researcher here. Nope, they will not be used for research purposes. Too many ethical issues for any institution to want to even touch them, and they would not be considered to have enough value or benefit to risk harm to the subjects. The only way someone could use them is if they enter the public record. But even then, they wouldn't be considered valid data unless the researchers had access to the original sources, which, again, isn't going to happen. I don't know where you heard academics use personal journals. It's more in the context of important historic figures who have entered their notes and journals into the public record. There's always permissions and consent involved though, and in particular with vulnerable populations, minor children and those who are institutionalized or otherwise compromised. You can't just claim personal journals for research purposes without consent of the owner. I think you might be thinking of the Genie case, which happened in the early 1970s before institutional review boards and international research ethics standards were created to protect research participants particularly as a response to cases like Genie, and other children/babies, racial minority men and women, and prisoners were used as research subjects without proper consent and ethical standards of confidentiality, risk/benefit and minimization of harm being considered.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Perris-15-Jan-2018-4&p=13878562#post13878562

"“There is a good chance that being able to write may have kept them sane,” Pennebaker said. “In an interesting way, this may have helped them come to terms with the bizarre world they lived in.”"

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"But the unlikely existence of these journals creates a unique research tool that may allow academics to design therapies to help victims of torture, maltreatment and prolonged captivity, Pennbaker said."


https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Perris-15-Jan-2018-4&p=13878572#post13878572


"Research into the journals likely will have to wait until the Turpins' criminal case is resolved, and only if the writings are released to academics, Pennebaker said.

In the meantime, the journals will also have tremendous value for the criminal investigation, even though they may not be admissable as evidence in a courtroom, said Laurie Levenson, a criminal law expert at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

Investigators who are attempting to interview the children, a delicate process, could start with the journals, asking about entries that imply abuse, Levenson said. Additionally, if either of the parents were to testify in their own defense, prosecutors could use the journals to cross-examine them.*

And finally, if any of the children testify, they could use the journals to refresh their memory on witness stand, much the way a police officer reviews a report before testifying about an old crime, she said.

“You can’t cross examine a journal, you have to cross examine the children, but they are a still a good starting point," Levenson said. "And frankly, they may be enough to persuade a defendant that they don’t want to go through a long trial here.”"

 

[TickettyBoo]

Hello everyone

like a lot of people here I can't get over the horror of this case and am absolutely heartbroken at the thought of what these kids have gone through. I am struggling a bit to keep up with all the pages though,

these two two monsters truly are a match made in hell, I've thought that separately they may have made an odd or disfunctional family had they not met each other but together they have enabled each other to be monsters.

Could the lewd charge dates be because survivor #8 has told LE that it happened sometime when she was 13? The dates could be from her 13th birthday to her 14th birthday.

Also I'm sure I read over here that they were doing DNA tests to make sure all the kids were related. I wondered if this meant they suspected that some of them had been abducted/kidnapped from somewhere? Unless the article I read was just really badly worded?
It's a horrible thought but even if one or some of the daughters had given birth to the younger ones then obviously they would still be related.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I went outside to walk the dog and apparently missed a whole lot.

I will back up and read. What is going on with new info on DT? And what trip across country? Is that what the school bus was going to be for?

Sister says he drove LT to Alabama once to have sex with another man

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[Hope4More]

Maybe the timeframe has to do with the legal age of consent. If this is the 17 y o who is the victim, then lewd behavior prior to the age of 14 falls under a certain statute. The behavior may well have continued past the age of 14 (3 years ago), but could no longer charged as an offense against a minor.

I don't know #8's exact bday (though I think I've seen bdays posted, i don't remember by whom or how long ago, and there isn't a list in the media thread)

FWIW, the date range in the complaint doesn't begin with day 1 of the their residence in CA (unlike all the other charges), and ends in November 2013, before #8 was 14 (she was born in 2001), and well before the day she escaped & the monsters were arrested.

 

[gitana1]

So could this mean that the DA isn't willing to accept any kind of a plea deal? I really hate that the kids would have to testify, but at the same time it could be very therapeutic for them to face their parents in court.

From a selfish point of view, I want a trial. I want to hear from the parents. My brain is trying so hard to make sense out of all of this - to find some reasoning, or something that helps it makes sense. But it just doesn't compute.

I don't think those psychopaths are close to wanting any kind of deal. They likely feel righteously justified at present and indignant that anyone could stop them form treating their property as they wish.

But I do not at all believe that testifying would be healing for the kids. On the contrary.

Psychiatrist Bruce Perry, who treated some of the Branch Davidian kids who were released during the Waco siege has commented on this case as well. I learned a lot about childhood trauma from his book and his teachings on the subject. Discussing traumatic events re-traumatizes children and adults. Yes, certain stable adults or children can make the conscious choice to testify, going through the pain because the quest for justice is one they can rationally balance against their distress.

But these are human beings who have been through such extreme, intense and chronic abuse that they have been disabled intellectually as a result. I view them as incredibly fragile and vulnerable.


I want to hear what happened and what those monsters did and how they excused it. I would love to get a psych lowdown on those two creatures. (If there is a trial I will go). But I want none of it at the expense of these beautiful kids.

The best thing that could happen to them is not regurgitating every lurid detail to a morbidly curious public, but for there to be a plea deal that spares them form testifying, and then for them to find nice family groups to become part of, for them to change their names, create new identities and to begin peaceful, new and anonymous lives for themselves. IMO.

 

[December]

I'm sorry if I missed this but do we know an approx. of when the abuse started? I've seen some state 2010 but that seems so unrealistic to me as the oldest girl would have been 22 years old? Thanks

That is just what they are being charged with in California.

It sounds like from what the schoolmate of the oldest daughter has said, they were abusing that girl already when she was in third grade (in Texas).

 

[margarita25]

Sister says he drove LT to Alabama once to have sex with another man

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California torture house: Louise Turpin’s sister said sibling experimented with religion, sex
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...in-s-sister-said-sibling-experimented-n839806

"Louise Turpin, who had never smoked or drank, began going to bars and getting drunk with her husband, Robinette said. At one point, the couple contacted a man online and met him in Huntsville, Alabama, so Louise could have sex with him, Robinette said.

A year later, the couple returned to the same hotel room in Huntsville to have sex in the same room, Robinette said, adding that she’s unsure if her sister told anyone else about the encounter."

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"Turpins: Mom Louise Slept With A Man She Met Online & Dad David Encouraged It, Claims Her Sister
http://hollywoodlife.com/topics/news/world-news/


"Teresa alleged that Louise and husband*David Turpin*shared an unconventional sexual relationship, which included her sister allegedly sleeping with other men. Her sister, who left home at 16 to be with David, was very sheltered, Teresa said. Louise apparently had never smoked or even had a drink of alcohol until she was 40. She and David reportedly started letting loose, and that included experimenting sexually."

 

[arkansasmimi]

I was thinking that, too. Like how did the 17yo know what months the reported sexual abuse happened. It just struck me that their journals had to have been those ones that showed the dates and you could fill it in daily, IMO. Maybe the ones that could write were actually bought new diaries every year. What a kind gesture hoh:

Another thought I had...apart from the fact I think they were allowed to write journals so the monsters could get high from reading about their suffering, maybe it was also to see if any of them were writing about an escape plan? Two years they were planning this. It would have only taken one of them to write about in their diary.

#7 DOB is confirmed to be 7/27/1999

Jmho I believe #8 birthday is either 11/16/2000 or 11/15/2000. Which would have made her 17 years old in 2017. Those date is significant for a reason.

Complaint Count states "in or about 11/16/12 through and including 11/15/13" which is 1 day shy of a year exactly, date wise. Not sure if matters but, 2012 was a leap year, 11/16/12 was a Friday and 11/15/13 was a Friday also.

Also of note #4 birthday is 11/17 (1995)

 

[gitana1]

Oh yay! :heart:

Awesome!!!! This is great. I can't wait to write them.

 

[Gae]

Has anyone brought up the parallels between the Turpins and the Presleys? Elvis raised by an extremely religious mother with a Pentecostal/mystic bent, and was very controlling. Then Elvis and Priscilla start dating when she's 14 and he's 21. An article I just read said Priscilla claims they "didn't go out" and "lived in a bubble." A documentary I watched a few years ago claimed Elvis basically held Priscilla hostage in dark rooms with no windows where they'd stay up all night and sleep during the day.

 

[margarita25]

"I told her that I thought it was insane,” Teresa said of the alleged sexual encounter that she claims happened between 2008 and 2010. “All I know is that it did happen; she went to Alabama, David dropped her off, she met this man at a hotel, and she slept with him. And what makes it even worse and weirder, is that one year to the day, the anniversary of when she did that, she called me and she thought this was funny: David was taking her back to the exact same hotel room, the exact same hotel — everything –the exact same bed that she slept with this man in, so that David could sleep with her in the same bed.”"

http://hollywoodlife.com/2018/01/22/louise-turpin-online-lover-sex-with-stranger/

 

[December]

This is just my opinion.

I think these two got overwhelmed, but that did not cause the abuse of the children. The abuse and neglect of the children, I think, is something they chose to do. The oldest girl went to school dirty. Everyone says she was a very sweet girl and they didn't even have a lot of kids yet. She was able to get out more when she was young than others, but it doesn't sound like she was treated well.

Why would they chose to mistreat their children? Criminals do evil stuff just because sometimes (IMO).

 

[watergirl62]

The trip to Alabama wherein she "visited" with another man. Where were the children meanwhile?

Home. LTs sister said LT told her that they waited until the oldest kids were old enough they could go off together to sow their wild oats. This was 2009. Ish. There is no age set in Texas for minimum age that can be left home alone but the proposed Sherin's Law may fix that.

The oldest survivor would have been 20 or so.

 

[Spellbound]

Corona Chamber of Commerce posted on their FB page that they will deliver cards to the children at the hospital.

https://www.facebook.com/CoronaCham...153559.119203074957/10155431026674958/?type=3


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I added this to the Media page

 

[Margo/Mom]

Yes that is right......If they moved out into the middle of nowhere, the 'parents' could dispose of the 29 year old (assuming she had given up and died) and they could impose the extreme act of control of killing the 17 year old and let the other children see them kill her thereby instilling in them never to challenge the supreme rule of the parents.
If there was ever any query about the 29 year old, it would be easy to say "she moved out years ago and they don't hear from her any more". They could say the same about the 17 year old. (Horrible).

Just gotta say. I don't see these people as planners. Runners and avoiders, yes. But complex planning (starving the kids so they stay childlike, moving out of the city to have an easy place to bury an adult child that might die) just doesn't seem like a good fit. They seem far more impulsive and have a difficult time foreseeing logical consequences to their actions.

 

[margarita25]

I'm thinking back to kids in school, when I was too young to know any better..were these kids being abused? I can't remember their last names...yearbook and then to facebook...