CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[Inthedetails]

I had to take a brief breather from commenting on this case.

I know I'm among many here who find this case heartbreaking. The momma in me is completely and utterly shocked at the neglect - but we don't need to be mothers to be shocked and heartbroken by this case. My nerves feel sensitive - I don't want any more shocking revelations about the case or even unkindness in general anywhere around me (which is unrealistic to expect, which is why I needed a breather from posting).

As I read the developments with care for the siblings, I'm going to pull away from that aspect of the case and wish them well. This is a crime forum, and I'm turning my attention to the criminals. I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE HOW TO POST so please don't react as if I'm pointing fingers (which I can't do since I'm right here with all of you and completely understand the fascination and concern about the sibs).

But for me, I feel like I'm intruding on their rights to privacy by commenting with my opinions on the assisted living vs. foster care vs. what else they should do from here on out.

Again, I am not suggesting anyone follow my suit or that I think my approach is superior - far from it!! I know WSers care deeply about victims and I respect that.

But I am uncomfortable and I hope to regain my WS footing by focusing on the crime and criminals.

jMyOpinion, with respect to the opinion of others

 

[ElizabethAnne]

[FONT=&quot]In California, there are various types of residential care and I am not sure what CBS meant by assisted living. I don't think the adults are going to "Elderly Assisted Living." They are probably going to one of the State licensed facilities or homes that are overseen by the Community Care Licensing Division in the State that have to be licensed. Here is the weblink that has some info on the type of facilities - [/FONT]https://secure.dss.ca.gov/CareFacilitySearch/ For adults, they have [FONT=&quot]Adult Day Programs, Adult Residential Facilities, Social Rehabilitation Facilities, Residential Care Facilities for the Chronically Ill, Enhanced Behavioral Support Homes for adults and something called Community Crisis. They are probably going to a facility where they can get continuing medical care as well as an introduction to basic life skills. I doubt it will be in a setting for elderly assisted living, but hopefully the press conferences will provide some more details in the future.

What I am concerned about is their privacy. I suppose there are a bunch of Hollywood producers or book publishers circling like vultures who want to exploit the kids and adults for profit who are going to try to get them involved in some sort of money making venture. Hopefully, the kids and adults will be kept away from these type of people.[/FONT]

 

[RickshawFan]

I tend to agree but I am wondering what kind of service out there could provide such a thing? I am a former social worker and I can honestly say that my state doesn't offer any of kind foster care or living situation like that for adults. The closest that we come are group homes for the disabled, which are a little different from assisted living facilities or nursing homes (both of which have been discussed here). We aren't really equipped to handle adults that come from this kind of situation. Foster care ends at age 18. I would imagine that it is like that across the US because I have never heard differently.

SSI, SNAP, and Medicaid (unless you’re in a state that makes you work for it).

 

[Sassygerl]

I don't know if this has been posted but if you go to this article and then to FB and in search type in "posts by _____" with the name of the classmate the long post about his observations from grade school pop up at the top.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...rnia-was-bullied-frail-ex-classmate-says.html
I hope I'm not breaking any rules!!!! I'm a long timer

 

[Tippy Lynn]

- Prosecutors are seeking a protective order to prohibit a Perris couple from having contact with their 13 children amid a torture and abuse case.

http://abc13.com/couple-accused-of-torture-could-be-banned-from-seeing-kids/2983908/



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[rsd1200]

Turpin family participated in neighbourhood decorating contest, Louise Turpin says she took eldest children to Las Vegas when they turned 21, joked about their young looks.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-turpin-public-life-20180124-story.html

That's so weird. She wasn't hiding their ages then. It's kinda like us joking about one of ours getting carded everywhere, who is near this young man's age, but could pass for 18, only it's not the same. :notgood: The more I read, the more I think these two parents, for lack of a better word, have something wrong w/their wiring. He seems strange, or "off", to me, in his actions, and she seems to have the look of a relative I once knew, many years ago. She went plumb crazy. God only knows where the woman is now, or if she's alive. Her eyes remind me of hers though.

 

[rosemadderlake]

We might want to start imagining what might be nice to make an apartment a home if you had no experience with the world. What pictures would you put on the wall? How would you stock the kitchen? Plants? A pet? Top priority food (aka snacks) groups for young adults?

Wonder if any of the siblings were attached to the dogs left behind? Pet therapy can be a wonderful healing experience. Even if a sweet dog comes for visits.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I’m absolutely horrified after doing a quick Google search on this place. The abuse of young girls that’s been going there since the early 70’s and still going on today. And all of this in the name of God? How can they get away with this? [emoji35]

disgruntled, you are so very brave, and I thank you for sharing your horrific story. I am very sorry you had to endure such terrible abuse. Please, if there’s any thing that I can do to help expose these evil people to the proper authorities and/or the media, please let me know.

ETA: Are there any LE or journalists/media reading here tonight that could possibly help?

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Total aside, but re: your outreach to LE in Indiana, the following is written into the Indiana Sanitary Schoolhouse Rule (which requires safe school facilities):

The following shall not be considered to be educational institutions subject to the provisions of 410 IAC 6-5.1:

"Sunday schools and Vacation Bible schools, and any other program of a religious entity except those that are accredited by the Indiana state department of education; or
day care centers subject to the provisions of IC 12-3-2 (Repealed); or
private residences; or
any educational institutional or educational training that is:
maintained or given by an employer or group of employers, without charge, for his or their employees or for persons they anticipate employing; or
maintained or given by a labor organization, without charge, for its or their members or apprentices; or
offers exclusively instruction which is clearly self-improvement, motivational or avocational in intent (including, but not limited to instruction in dance, religion, (music, self defense or private tutoring).
any private religious school except those that are accredited by the state department of education."

Based on what I have read, it is (well intended) legislation like this that protects institutions like Hephzibah.

 

[gitana1]

I don't think any state offers foster homes for adults. Assisted living might not be bad. Some assisted living facilities are very nice.

My grandma lived in one for awhile before she died. She insisted on it. And it was pretty nice. A garden. Good food. Music. Other activities. Really kind staff- mostly people from the Philippines - who treated them all with such gentleness and warmth.

I don't think the county is just going to dump them in homes. The older kids will be assigned one on one workers to help them with life skills. They will take them out shopping, teach them basic hygiene and cleaning and cooking stuff, etc.

And some of the group homes are pretty nice. They also have independent living classes for adults with disabilities and a lot of help with all of that in a group home.

 

[jessie]

You want the family members to stop talking? Why?

Well in answer to your question I sincerely believe that any statements unconfirmed and not supported by any other information from anyone to the media - which in effect are just opinions - before an anticipated trial could be considered as 'undue influence' to the jury.


Different countries and different laws of course, but in the UK "sub judice" carries a lot of weight. Once a charge has been brought it is not admissible for the media to print anything which may influence an upcoming case.



IMOO the stories various 'family and friends' are providing to the media have not been corroborated at all and frankly should be considered "gossip".


They have anything pertinent to say, say it to LE. AIMOO of course from the other side of the pond.


http://www.vgso.vic.gov.au/content/refresher-sub-judice-contempt-publish-or-not-publish
On occasion, it is permissible to publish material about upcoming court cases, but commonly, publishing such material may result in the publisher committing the common law offence of sub-judice contempt. For details about this common law offence and how to avoid it, read on.

What is sub judice contempt?
Sub judice contempt is the common law offence of publishing material which has a tendency to interfere with the administration of justice while proceedings are sub judice; that is, ‘under a judge’.

The rationale for the offence is to avoid the possibility of a ‘trial by media’ by prohibiting the publication of material which might either prejudice issues at stake in criminal proceedings, or which might influence or place pressure on persons involved in the proceedings, including jurors, witnesses or potential witnesses.

In order to prove a charge of sub judice contempt, it must be proven to the criminal standard that:
a) material was published;
b) the publication of that material happened while the proceedings were sub judice; and
c) the publication has the tendency to interfere with the administration of justice in the proceedings that are before the judge.

Who can commit the offence?
Anyone involved in publishing information that is sub judice can be held liable for the offence of sub judice contempt. Most commonly, courts have held that people who have actual control over the content, production, distribution and broadcasting of sub judice material can be persons involved in publishing that material.

Importantly, it is not necessary to prove that a person intended to interfere with the administration of justice by publishing the material[1]. Consequently, a person may commit the offence unintentionally.

 

[RickshawFan]

FWIW, IVs are not supplied in a SNF. They would need to be in a hospital proper to receive IV meds.

You CAN get IV meds at home. Many people do. They have to be administered by a licensed medical professional. Insurance companies even like this arrangement because it’s cheaper than going to a hospital.

Skilled nursing facilities should have plenty of staff to handle IVs.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

I don't know if this has been posted but if you go to this article and then to FB and in search type in "posts by _____" with the name of the classmate the long post about his observations from grade school pop up at the top.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...rnia-was-bullied-frail-ex-classmate-says.html
I hope I'm not breaking any rules!!!! I'm a long timer

Us Weekly also has a story regarding the Facebook post that they just published here https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...as-known-as-cootie-kid-says-former-classmate/

 

[Tippy Lynn]

My grandma lived in one for awhile before she died. She insisted on it. And it was pretty nice. A garden. Good food. Music. Other activities. Really kind staff- mostly people from the Philippines - who treated them all with such gentleness and warmth.

I don't think the county is just going to dump them in homes. The older kids will be assigned one on one workers to help them with life skills. They will take them out shopping, teach them basic hygiene and cleaning and cooking stuff, etc.

And some of the group homes are pretty nice. They also have independent living classes for adults with disabilities and a lot of help with all of that in a group home.

There’s hope and sadly that’s more than they’ve had.


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[rsd1200]

Sounds like Louise was able to put on quite the act of normality!

You'd be surprised what folks like her can do to make you think they aren't crazy (or to make you think you are the crazy one).

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Woah! Assisted living is NOT a nursing home. Maybe that’s why there’s so much concern in some of the posts here.

Assisted living is basically an apartment building with a few modifications that you might not even notice, like red bell pulls to summon help.

Generally, the apartments are just like any other apartment! Except maybe the doors are wider (to accommodate wheelchairs), housekeeping, meals downstairs, or not, handicapped showers...

You pay rent, just like an apartment.

The apartments I’ve been in have full kitchens, opened to a living/dining area. These are not gourmet kitchens (though maybe some facilities have that, too), but are otherwise complete, including stove, microwave, fridge....no problem baking a batch of cookies for visitors or neighbors. Kitchen knobs will be easy to reach.

The apartments can be studio, 1 bedroom, 2 bedrooms. I’ve visited my aunt at a place where she and her husband had adjoining units, and the wall was taken down between them. That way, they could each have their own stuff.

There are different ways for handling laundry. Linens may be provided.

Some folks never eat downstairs....

Many assisted living places are like resorts....swimming pool, gardens, activities, pampering.

You usually pay extra for skilled nursing or have to arrange your own (at your expense) with an outside organization.

Hope that clarifies. We’re talking about a structured, protected environment that eliminates some of the crazy in the world outside. We’re talking neighbors, people keeping an eye on things, and whatever level of attention you need. And we’re talking about having a home, not a hospital bed.

I continue to think this is a genius plan. But assisted living is not to be confused with a nursing home.

Now I see someone else has responded to the misconception about assisted living. But the distinction between that and a nursing facility needs to be clear.

Realize, though, that there are many variations in assisted living facilities, and they are often connected to nursing homes and even hospitals. There is an assisted living wing at my local hospital. And many assisted living places are in the same building as nursing home facilities. People often choose a place like that if their health may fluctuate, so they can move back and forth within the same facility.

My point is that they're not all the same, and without knowing which one it is, we can't be certain of the exact circumstances.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Just because someone volunteered to take them all doesn't mean that volunteer was approved or appropriate. Foster families have to have background checks, home studies, and training, and all of that takes time.

No kidding. That's why in my original post I stated that they either weren't approved or backed out.

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[natsound]

I agree. At first we were supposed to believe the 17yo--and therefore all the kids---had only had a 1st grade education.

Now we learn that the parents arranged for the oldest son to attend college, where he maintained a nearly-perfect gpa. (He wasn't taking the hardest courses in the world, but I imagine any accredited college is going to make homeschooled children who can't prove academic rigor take remedial classes to show they are college-ready.)

We learn that two of the daughters would be out of the home getting mail at the mailbox.

We learn that they participated in a Christmas decoration contest, and five of the children attended the award ceremony. It's not like they were recluses, necessarily. A recluse would not participate in neighborhood events.

They've taken kids out to Las Vegas and Disneyland, Krispy Kreme donuts, pictures by the lake.

This paints a far different picture to the one given by the DA, who made it sound like they were living in a dungeon.

I don't know what to think at this point. I do believe the children were not given adequate nutrition or medical/dental care. As I said before, we've only scratched the surface of this case, and the information we've been given so far is highly tilted in favor of the state's position.

I agree.

I can envision the abuse and neglect rapidly accelerating over the past two years (maybe the birth of the baby triggered it), but I'm questioning the extreme lack of education right now. I need to hear more about that. If a 17-year-old doesn't know what a police officer or a pill is, how is she functioning at Disney and the neighborhood Christmas decorating competition?

 

[Elley Mae]

Louise Turpin spent the evening chatting with a neighbor about her children, about the family's roots in West Virginia and Texas, and about their love of Las Vegas, said Salynn Simon, who lives across the street from the family's home.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-turpin-public-life-20180124-story.html

Louise Turpin told Simon that she and her husband had taken their older children to Las Vegas when they turned 21. Turpin laughed about how her children were constantly asked for an ID during those trips because they look so young.

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From time to time she took them their mail, and last year, when Simon's daughter was selling Girl Scout cookies, Louise Turpin bought eight or nine boxes, Simon said.

 

[Elley Mae]

Does anyone remember if the home had basement/cellar? I think they were in the basement.

 

[jens]

Turpin court case may need to be moved outside of Riverside county due to difficulty finding an impartial jury.

https://www.desertsun.com/story/new...rside-county-defense-attorney-say/1060361001/