CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #7

[enelram]

Not sure, enelram. They could be and I wouldn’t be surprised if we were to hear that drugs were involved with these two.
On the other hand, the bumps could just be adult acne/clogged pores from bad hygiene and from eating junk food every day. [emoji35]

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I asked before but again: Does anyone know if DT and LT would have been drug tested upon arrest? How about the children?

 

[Deleted member 278]

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I think they will plea out. I can't see this matter going to trial with a dozen witnesses who lived through it.

They might not plea out if they think their kids will be positive witnesses. They held so much control over the children that they might, in their crazed minds, think that the kids will stick by them.

 

[natsound]

They might not plea out if they think their kids will be positive witnesses. They held so much control over the children that they might, in their crazed minds, think that the kids will stick by them.

And the children might do it. Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. Possibly the child who escaped will be a good state's witness.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

"Police called twice to Texas home"

Family in Perris torture case may have fled Texas after daughter tried to call for help
January 25, 2018 at 7:10 pm |
https://www.pe.com/2018/01/25/famil...-texas-after-daughter-tried-to-call-for-help/


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Picture number 11 in that article shows a sewing machine in the kitchen. I am noting this because earlier people were asking if somebody sewed.

 

[ocgrad]

I have looked for an earlier series of posts but unable to locate where there was discussion of the significance of the "dark" room the chained survivors were found in. Although it is true that people who sleep during the day like to shield the light, my take on it is that one room was the punishment room and that the window(s) were intentionally darkened and muffled.

The purpose of this is sensory deprivation which adds to the brainwashing reinforcement. Chained to the mattress, likely diapered, left in the excrement, in the darkness, no sounds, starved, dehydrated, for weeks or even months, all at the whim of the depraved sadist (in my theory that is primarily LT), who also is the rescuer and only ray of light, when at her choosing she would enter to clean them, feed them, unchain them or not. I think she made one bedroom into a dungeon since the house lacked a cellar, basement or woodshed. I considered whether she sent the other survivors to care for them, but I think she reinforced her power over them by being the only caretaker of the punished.

Different links and the Sheriff report refer to "dark, foul-smelling surroundings" and others refer to a single "room" - I remember early on it was not the whole house that was dark and foul-smelling, it was that room where some were chained up.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/david...nia-house-of-horrors-and-free-her-12-siblings

"Jan 16, 2018 - Two California parents turned a homeschool into a house of horrors, chaining their 13 children to beds in a dark, filthy room, police say. David and Louise Turpin were arrested Sunday after ..."

Interesting!

 

[jessie]

They might not plea out if they think their kids will be positive witnesses. They held so much control over the children that they might, in their crazed minds, think that the kids will stick by them.

I did ask this before but got no response :facepalm:
In USA are children or vulnerable adults required to physically attend court to give evidence?

Commonly now in the UK children or vulnerable adults can give evidence 'electronically' - via internet or cctv. I believe this is really valuable as these witnesses can be in a comfortable safe place just viewing a screen, and are able to answer questions put to them without the stress of seeing the accused or anyone else in the court.

In these such cases it is the best interests of everyone imo.

 

[4SAM]

I did ask this before but got no response :facepalm:
In USA are children or vulnerable adults required to physically attend court to give evidence?

Commonly now in the UK children or vulnerable adults can give evidence 'electronically' - via internet or cctv. I believe this is really valuable as these witnesses can be in a comfortable safe place just viewing a screen, and are able to answer questions put to them without the stress of seeing the accused or anyone else in the court.

In these such cases it is the best interests of everyone imo.

We have child advocates. I think that they can speak for the children in court. i am not a lawyer, but maybe someone else can advise if correct or not.

 

[Rain Dancer]

I'm confused by this. She flagged a neighbor down (male?), asked to be taken to a telephone... it sounds like she was, so she might have called 911? Then what? The neighbor took her home to the place she had just called 911 about? Surely the neighbor heard her phone call as he appears to have taken her to the phone, then back to the house after the call?

Then what happened the police got there and thought the feces covered home was fine? And LE didn't ask questions when they upped and left days after their visit?

Ive wondered about this poor girl and which one it was, she must've been so terrified yet she was brave enough to make that run for it desperately trying to get help. Why didn't the neaighbour realise something was quite amiss, if nothing else? Why didn't the police realise anything was wrong when took that poor poor girl back. What kind of cruelties did she have to then endure as punishment (and to show the others what happens to those that try to escape) after she was returned, LT and DT must've been absolutely furious. They probably used that as an ongoing threat, you know what happened to her last time, next time it will be worse! That may be why she has been said to have fearful for her life, she saw what happened to her sister. It must've been bad that it took 5 years for one of them to even think about doing it again. Its so heartbreaking to think of them being so scared making plans for 2 years and waiting for just the exact right moment to do it. There must've been a chance to somehow get some scissors or even a little knife, to cut the possible cable ties and then the blind, added to them knowing they would get no chance to escape once they'd moved, she must've been shaking with pure fear the whole time bless her. I'd like to imagine that she smiles triumphantly (hopefully the smiles come very soon for all of them) when she's sees her brothers and sisters out and safe and knows she saved them all from a life of abject misery.

 

[jessie]

We have child advocates. I think that they can speak for the children in court. i am not a lawyer, but maybe someone else can advise if correct or not.

Thanks, but not quite the same as hearing answers directly from these survivors.

 

[natsound]

https://www.pe.com/2018/01/25/famil...-texas-after-daughter-tried-to-call-for-help/

David Turpin, now 56, worked as a computer engineer for aerospace company Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth until sometime in 2010. Nellie Baldwin said neighbors described Louise Turpin as a “homemaker.”

Wow. Obviously he was ambitious and successful at one point in his life.

Deputies were called to the house for two incidents, first in 2001 after a 4-year-old Turpin child was bitten in the face by a dog and needed stitches.

The dog didn’t have a rabies vaccination. A veterinarian put the animal down, White said. Two years later, the family’s pigs got out and ate 55 pounds of dog food on a neighbor’s property.

A dozen children, dogs, cats, pigs. Deplorable conditions. It seems like they had a hoarding mentality.

 

[mtnlites]

They might not plea out if they think their kids will be positive witnesses. They held so much control over the children that they might, in their crazed minds, think that the kids will stick by them.

Yeah, these are not folks who seem to be playing with a full deck of cards...

 

[fictionisbetter]

You are right, but not that many children do have regular dental visits. I've been a dentist for many years, and am often surprised that children who come from quite affluent families, with lots of the finer things in life- private schools, music lessons etc-don't come unless there is a problem. I understand cost is often labelled the problem, but where I live, there is no charge for low income families (for children up to 18 years old), and a maximum fee of $50 per family, per year for those on higher incomes, and I think only about 50% of kids would even have one check up a year. It is one of the great mysteries of my life, actually. (I do think it's neglect.)

It is surprising to me, too. My children have Medicaid and it is recommended that they have dental visits every 6 months, beginning at age 1. Both of my kids have been to the dentist twice a year since they were a year old (my daughter had been to the dentist 6 or 7 times between ages one or two. She has soft enamel that caused cavities no matter how well and often we brushed and had to be put under anasthesia at almost age 2 to get caps on some of her teeth to protect them). We are diligent about keeping up with their dental health and brushing, but even so, they have had dental issues that required extra care. Yet, I have women in my moms' group who I consider affluent, and who have good insurance, who have 6 year olds who have not yet seen a dentist. It baffles me.

For the kids having possibly not even known to brush their teeth, though, and not having been to dentists ever, I can only imagine how painful their first dental visits will be. Add to that the malnourishment, and there are sure to be severe dental problems (IMO).

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[fictionisbetter]

Got it

https://radaronline.com/videos/cali...pin-kid-college-classmate-mentally-disturbed/

It says it was an acapella class that ran at 8.30pm

If the link can be allowed I think it fits. I think another news source ran an interview with a schoolfriend of DT and said he took acapella? Or have I mis-remembered? And the time of the class being stated is interesting that it's an evening class.

Like anything we have to decide for ourselves how much of a media article can be believed, but it sounds reasonably believable to me when you add it to other things we've heard.

If it was an evening class, and the kids were raised to sleep in the day and stay awake at night, this would be the same as waking up in the morning to go to class. I took evening classes at a community college to work around my nocturnal schedule when I worked overnight shift.

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[Rain Dancer]

Are the strange manic smiles in recent photos her desperate attempt to show 'look I'm smiling, I/we/everything's normal' as if trying to convince everyone there's nothing wrong her?

 

[TeaTime]

I did ask this before but got no response :facepalm:
In USA are children or vulnerable adults required to physically attend court to give evidence?

Commonly now in the UK children or vulnerable adults can give evidence 'electronically' - via internet or cctv. I believe this is really valuable as these witnesses can be in a comfortable safe place just viewing a screen, and are able to answer questions put to them without the stress of seeing the accused or anyone else in the court.

In these such cases it is the best interests of everyone imo.

I researched this 30 years ago and even then, there was a lot of movement toward allowing testimony via live, closed circuit tv or from behind a screen, or even from a pre-recorded deposition, but the challenges are founded on the argument that this interferes with the defendant's right to confront the accuser, a constitutionally protected right, as well as the ability of the trier of fact to judge the demeanor of the witness on the stand. It also prejudices the defendant because it infers to a jury that the defendant is so dangerous that the witness can't be in the room despite having armed guards in the courtroom. It is the same prejudice that would be problematic if the defendant showed up for trial wearing an orange jump suit and impinges on the presumption of innocence required at trial.

 

[DakotaMayi]

I did ask this before but got no response :facepalm:
In USA are children or vulnerable adults required to physically attend court to give evidence?

Commonly now in the UK children or vulnerable adults can give evidence 'electronically' - via internet or cctv. I believe this is really valuable as these witnesses can be in a comfortable safe place just viewing a screen, and are able to answer questions put to them without the stress of seeing the accused or anyone else in the court.

In these such cases it is the best interests of everyone imo.

Guardian ad Litem can be used - I think.

ETA: I actually don't think a GAL can be used in this situation. More family court, they speak for what is best for the child. I'll let one of our Attorney's get this one.

 

[DakotaMayi]

We have child advocates. I think that they can speak for the children in court. i am not a lawyer, but maybe someone else can advise if correct or not.

Oh 4SAM, sorry, I just posted before I saw this.

 

[Zelda1010]

I tried to edit a post and deleted it. I am sorry, I have had that problem in the mobile version.
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong . Here it is again. Sorry for the technical difficulties.

I can't say I'm very encouraged by the sentences handed down in any of the other horrible abuse cases posters have brought forward here. I really pray LT isn't currently pregnant (no indication she is, just a fear of mine) and they at least get locked up until the toddler is an adult.

I think the privacy of the siblings is important. But I'm disturbed by the tragic life of Genie. We don't even know if she is still alive, do we? Privacy, extreme and calculated privacy, is one ingredient needed to allow abuse to happen. Abuse is a pattern that repeats itself all too easily. The smartest and strongest woman who leaves one abusive relationship, may find herself in another. Abuse happens generation after generation in families. If you've never learned that love doesn't hurt, then real love doesn't feel right. How do we keep these siblings safe?

I hadn't thought it until now, but these siblings need agents. Not court appointed guardians ad litem either. The best money can buy. But $$$ can't be the motivation either....so maybe somehow each one, adult and minor, could be adopted by an individual family to watch for that child's best interest. Then these dream neighboring homes could be set up and there would be this huge extended family there to coordinate care. I know it's an unrealistic, logistical nightmare, but each one of these kids needs to figure out the rest of their lives.

Man, I was going somewhere else with this post, but it felt good to dream for a minute so I'll leave it. Please don't rip me to shreds for the "agent" bit, I don't mean it in the let's make them stars way at all.

One point I was going to make in the case of Wesley a poster mentioned before from the 1990s (Wesley appeared on a couple of talk shows w/ Dave Pelzer of "A Child Called 'It'" fame). His abuser would take him to the front porch and dare him to run across the street to the court house and tell them. It doesn't really make it "better" somehow when abusers let the victim taste freedom from time to time.

These magnificent 13 are not the first, last, worst or only case out there. And they told us the kids were strangled! There is no if, and, or but to be had there. In all of the discussion, I see the strangulation get lost. Are these the intentional harm charges?

Final thought on journals. From the fundamentalist group home abuse that came up at one point, I saw several survivors speak of journaling. They seem to basically have to admit to whatever offense the abuser has accused them of in order to earn privileges back in those prisons. Ask for forgiveness for their supposed sin. I can only assume the siblings in the Turpin case had similar journaling to do. Especially given the info we do know about DTs family.

I'm sorry this is long, all over the place and with no links. If you need links, let me know and I'll do my best to find 'em from my browsing history.

 

[Rain Dancer]

I researched this 30 years ago and even then, there was a lot of movement toward allowing testimony via live, closed circuit tv or from behind a screen, or even from a pre-recorded deposition, but the challenges are founded on the argument that this interferes with the defendant's right to confront the accuser, a constitutionally protected right, as well as the ability of the trier of fact to judge the demeanor of the witness on the stand. It also prejudices the defendant because it infers to a jury that the defendant is so dangerous that the witness can't be in the room despite having armed guards in the courtroom. It is the same prejudice that would be problematic if the defendant showed up for trial wearing an orange jump suit and impinges on the presumption of innocence required at trial.

I doubt any of the poor kids would be strong enough mentally to give evidence against those monsters, that might be too much to ask of them. It would be terrifying and traumatising for them to speak on camera about it, I think a live court scenario would be a lot more harrowing. IMO

 

[4SAM]

Oh 4SAM, sorry, I just posted before I saw this.

Ah no biggie.