CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

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Cherwell said:
As she had travelled alone to Hong Kong last year and was about to do so again, I don't think she was "controlled" or "isolated" by anyone.
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I believe that trip was in May. And it's entirely possible that the trip precipitated recent events. She got to go to Hong Kong, her family there says she enjoyed use of a cell phone. It is often hard for controlling men to go up against a wife's father or brother...they have to play nice in those situations.

She was preparing a return trip. I personally think that if in fact BT's husband was super-controlling that it's consistent with the profile of many controlling men that he'd flip out at the prospect of more travel. We still don't know how long she was supposed to stay in Hong Kong.
 
?mysterian? said:
Why is that disturbing?

Maybe she preferred to keep in touch via telephone/letter/private email rather than online. Not everyone maintains a visible online presence, IMO. Some people still prefer to live their lives without (too much) intrusiveness from the Internet, IMO. Unless/until someone comes forth and enlightens us about a lot of things, we won't know.
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I guess I wouldn't find it disturbing if some, or A friend had spoken up about what BT was like, OR if she had a FB presence even if nothing was visible on it (tons of very elderly people use FB and especially when they have adult children and grandkids, and relatives who live far away, so why not her?). Then add to those, the fact she didn't have a cellphone, but her husband did.. all of those things combined, not just any one of them by itself, makes it disturbing to me, imo.
 
Neighbors Not Interviewed...?
Kapua said:
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4. No neighbors, to the best of my knowledge, have been interviewed.
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... not interviewed by LE? IIRC, seems one neighbor would have been asked a few questions - one who provided surv cam vid showing truck & 5th wheel leaving home that morning. Canvassing the neighborhood is common in MisPers cases. LE may have done this, interviewed some ppl w info, and simply not referred to it in any public announcements.

This case is being investigated by at least two LE agencies: SBSD in CA, coordinating multiple SAR teams and LE in AZ, who would logically be the agency doing door-to-door in BT's neighborhood. How much has B-City LE made public? I do not recall.

... not interviewed by MSM?
The neighbor w surv cam vid told MSM that he/she provided it to LE. Seems reporter would have posed a few questions.
All jmo.
 
The older you get,the easier it gets to be isolated. I am much younger than her,yet circumstances have me away from participating with friends. I left a job and then got injured leading to a disability. for a long time,I could not drive. My 2 adult children than had hardships in their lives. I ended up spending most of my time consumed with helping them restore their health. The majority of my friends are still working full time,married with adult children and have many grandchildren. They spend their time with them. Vacations are spent with their spouses or extended family. I reach out and ask if they want to attend movies,etc but they are busy. *If I went missing,I probably would have some of them on social media saying "what a nice person I am." I don't live anywhere close to my best friends. Social media keeps us at the very least in touch,but neither of us would know if we were in an abusive relationship,esp if all through the years,you have seen them with a loving spouse. I can see my son and my husband being reticent to talk to the media as both tend to be on the quiet side. However, my daughter would be front and center demanding everyone to search and not forget me. Every family is different. I hope RT isn't involved,I truly do,but.......MOO
 
al66pine said:
Neighbors Not Interviewed...?

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... not interviewed by LE? IIRC, seems one neighbor would have been asked a few questions - one who provided surv cam vid showing truck & 5th wheel leaving home that morning. Canvassing the neighborhood is common in MisPers cases. LE may have done this, interviewed some ppl w info, and simply not referred to it in any public announcements.

This case is being investigated by at least two LE agencies: SBSD in CA, coordinating multiple SAR teams and LE in AZ, who would logically be the agency doing door-to-door in BT's neighborhood. How much has B-City LE made public? I do not recall.

... not interviewed by MSM?
The neighbor w surv cam vid told MSM that he/she provided it to LE. Seems reporter would have posed a few questions.
All jmo.
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The referenced post was in response to mine, in which I asked: "-Have there been any neighbors who've said how the couple interacted or what they are/were like?"
 
dbdb11 said:
may 2018
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10ofRods said:
I believe that trip was in May. And it's entirely possible that the trip precipitated recent events. She got to go to Hong Kong, her family there says she enjoyed use of a cell phone. It is often hard for controlling men to go up against a wife's father or brother...they have to play nice in those situations.

She was preparing a return trip. I personally think that if in fact BT's husband was super-controlling that it's consistent with the profile of many controlling men that he'd flip out at the prospect of more travel. We still don't know how long she was supposed to stay in Hong Kong.
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Her trip to Hong Kong was in May 2018, over a year ago. I’m not disagreeing with your opinion, just making sure the date is correct. :)
 
al66pine said:
Neighbors Not Interviewed...?

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... not interviewed by LE? IIRC, seems one neighbor would have been asked a few questions - one who provided surv cam vid showing truck & 5th wheel leaving home that morning. Canvassing the neighborhood is common in MisPers cases. LE may have done this, interviewed some ppl w info, and simply not referred to it in any public announcements.

This case is being investigated by at least two LE agencies: SBSD in CA, coordinating multiple SAR teams and LE in AZ, who would logically be the agency doing door-to-door in BT's neighborhood. How much has B-City LE made public? I do not recall.

... not interviewed by MSM?
The neighbor w surv cam vid told MSM that he/she provided it to LE. Seems reporter would have posed a few questions.
All jmo.
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The original poster asked specifically, "Have there been any neighbors who've said how the couple interacted or what they are/were like?" My answer was in response to that question and to the best of my knowledge.
 
?mysterian? said:
Why is that disturbing?

Maybe she preferred to keep in touch via telephone/letter/private email rather than online. Not everyone maintains a visible online presence, IMO. Some people still prefer to live their lives without (too much) intrusiveness from the Internet, IMO. Unless/until someone comes forth and enlightens us about a lot of things, we won't know.

ETA: quote snipped by me
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she regularly mailed hallmarks and postcards of travels and adventures with photos to my dad. will share pics in a bit.
 
castilloisno1 said:
The older you get,the easier it gets to be isolated. I am much younger than her,yet circumstances have me away from participating with friends. I left a job and then got injured leading to a disability. for a long time,I could not drive. My 2 adult children than had hardships in their lives. I ended up spending most of my time consumed with helping them restore their health. The majority of my friends are still working full time,married with adult children and have many grandchildren. They spend their time with them. Vacations are spent with their spouses or extended family. I reach out and ask if they want to attend movies,etc but they are busy. *If I went missing,I probably would have some of them on social media saying "what a nice person I am." I don't live anywhere close to my best friends. Social media keeps us at the very least in touch,but neither of us would know if we were in an abusive relationship,esp if all through the years,you have seen them with a loving spouse. I can see my son and my husband being reticent to talk to the media as both tend to be on the quiet side. However, my daughter would be front and center demanding everyone to search and not forget me. Every family is different. I hope RT isn't involved,I truly do,but.......MOO
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i also hope rt is not involved. in fact, i hope he is the hero. my impression of robbie prior to barbs disappearance would paint him as the type who would be able to get her out of a situation like this. confident, competent, self assured, reliable, steadfast, and resourceful are words i would have used to describe him. would have.
 
dbdb11 said:
i also hope rt is not involved. in fact, i hope he is the hero. my impression of robbie prior to barbs disappearance would paint him as the type who would be able to get her out of a situation like this. confident, competent, self assured, reliable, steadfast, and resourceful are words i would have used to describe him. would have.
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I’m so sorry, and I hope he turns out to be the hero too. Are you still in touch with RT? And if not, is that his choice or yours? Only if you feel like answering.
 
dbdb11 said:
she regularly mailed hallmarks and postcards of travels and adventures with photos to my dad. will share pics in a bit.
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Thank you for staying with us. It is greatly appreciated.

We all hoped we would get answers by now but it looks like we are going to have to buckle up for the long haul. The great thing about WS is our case should always be here and open until we finally get a resolution. We never forget and sooner or later we will get the answers that are desparately needed.
 
10ofRods said:
.... She got to go to Hong Kong, her family there says she enjoyed use of a cell phone. It is often hard for controlling men to go up against a wife's father or brother
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Guessing everyone of us here has at some point has received a gift we did not want.
Is it possible that while on trip, BT used phone to contact HK-based fam and RT (and others?) in US and was glad to do so at the time, but did not want to take it back w her? Because it was too complicated for her to use easily, because she felt it was too extravagant, or ...(IDK)? In these circumstances "enjoyed use of " could be interp'ed by non-family as simply "used." Not saying this is true; she may have left phone in HK for contolling-husband reason @10ofRods noted. Or other reasons.

On a side note, showing my ignorance here - but are cell phones & plans internationally usable/compatible? I hesitate to use personal, anecdotal experience from a few yrs back, but before some trips abroad (not to HK), I recall learning that my cell would 'not work there.' Would HK-acquired phone and/or plan work in US, or BT would have had to buy a new phone or plan? Thx in adv.
 
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deugirtni said:
I guess I wouldn't find it disturbing if some, or A friend had spoken up about what BT was like, OR if she had a FB presence even if nothing was visible on it (tons of very elderly people use FB and especially when they have adult children and grandkids, and relatives who live far away, so why not her?). Then add to those, the fact she didn't have a cellphone, but her husband did.. all of those things combined, not just any one of them by itself, makes it disturbing to me, imo.
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You could say similar of me. I do have a Facebook page, but it is almost exclusively for making use of local community pages, entering competitions, following events that interest me, that kind of thing. It is NOT in my real name and I keep it quite anonymous.

I also went a long time without having a mobile phone. That began with my moving to a place with very poor signal, and I stopped bothering with the phone and then found I didn't miss it at all. I was recently given a new one, but I probably wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
 
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