CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

[artsy1]

Dbm

 

[rosesfromangels]

Good morning everyone - sipping coffee...
I see the thread is as lively as ever; a good sign that we still have strong interest in Barb.

Anyone aware of any additional searches planned? I really think that is the most productive next step.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[deugirtni]

Agree you can make assumptions on the time of day. Not sure about time of year, guess warm weather lasts a lot longer in that part of the world than it does here in the UK!

Still no confirmation though AFAIK re the crucial question..

What DATE was the photo taken?

And where.

 

[deugirtni]

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Time of day- Last seen when the sun was at its highest.
Shade in bikini pic shows it was made with sun at its highest.

Time of year- Ppl wear a bikini or alike garment outdoors in summertime only.
In bikini pic the sun is straight above Barbara, the sun at such a high point does not happen in Spring or Autumn.
IMO

The temps there, from what I have seen, are warm enough to wear a bikini for at least 6 months of the year.

 

[deugirtni]

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In the Northern hemisphere it is only possible to stand straight under the sun at its highest point around June 21 around 12.30:

From what my eyes see, the sun is clearly not directly above her in the MSM pic. I would need to have an expert tell me that it is only possible to get that shot at one time of day on one day of the year (which by the way, according to the post I'm replying to, isn't even the same day she disappeared).

 

[HongKongPhooey]

And where.

Yes! Even more crucial

 

[PommyMommy]

Quote from PommyMommy on media thread AZ - AZ - Barbara Thomas, 69, Timeline, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

JUL 19, 2019
Video: Husband of missing 69-year-old hiker says police consider him a suspect

• SBCSO says they are not releasing any information about the missing person investigation and interviews with family members.
• Authorities also say they have no evidence the woman was abducted nor have they found any trace of her.
• Rescuers resumed the search at daybreak using off-road vehicles, K9 units, hikers, and aerial support.
• Authorities are unaware of how long RT and BT were separated before she disappeared nor do they know how far she was from the RV at the time.
• Officials also say that they are unaware of any medical conditions that may have caused BT to become disoriented or lost.

BBM According to our VI, RT was questioned for 5 hours by LE on the day Barbara disappeared. Seven days later and LE still doesn't know this relevant information? IMO either LE is totally inexperienced and doesn't know how to conduct a missing person investigation OR LE does not believe the information RT gave them during that 5 hours of questioning. IMO if LE does have photos proving Barbara was there that day, the time stamp of those photos doesn't prove the timeline given by RT.

Additionally, and I can't say with 100% certainty without looking at every single case (which would be impossible), but I don't think I've ever seen a photo of a missing person released by LE as NOT labeled, "last known photo of ________" or "photos of ___________ on the day she disappeared" if it is indeed so. MOO

We saw video of Kelsey at Safeway which illustrated what she was wearing when last seen, we saw photos of Maleah with captions like "last known photo," same with Kenzie, and on and on and on...

Kelsey: Surveillance video shows last sighting of Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth

Maleah: This is the last known photo of missing 4-year-old Maleah Davis

MacKenzie: Police release last known photos of missing Utah college student

Prisma: Mesquite Police Release Surveillance Video of Missing Mother

Kelli: Police release last-known photo of missing Fort Bragg soldier Kelli Bordeaux | Daily Mail Online

Nicole: Police Release Last Video of Homicide Victim Alive

Karen: Police release last known image of missing woman

 

[Micheline]

It does kinda' matter actually. Stating speculation as fact is very confusing and not helpful.

My posts starts with:
This side by side tells me that... etc.
And ends with: IMO

How is that stating speculation as a fact?

The post you quoted is obviously a follow up of a very long post, in which I am very clearly just stating my opinion in a respectful way.

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[LAhiker]

Quick question? Can somebody explain how private messaging can be sent on Websleuths? I've only sent a couple and now I cannot locate where to send a message or how to send them to anyone?

Here is one way: Click on the person's username. A black box will appear that contains some links, including "profile" and "start a conversation." Click on "start a conversation" and converse away.

When someone replies to me in a conversation, I get an email message which includes the reply as well as a button that will take me to the convo. There are other ways to get to it -- I think there's a link to one's inbox at the upper right hand side of the screen. This is all for the desktop version of Websleuths.

There are probably other ways too. JMO

 

[Reasonable & Just]

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I guess you are referring to me.

I always put IMO under my posts.

I wish I would be allowed to answer your questions here. I am not ignoring them, but answering them is no option, so what to do?
Let me know. TIA

It's really difficult to keep things straight when info comes from non-MSM sources, which is why VI status may be the way to go, or to not discuss inside info from non- MSM sources that other posters would not know about (such as the existence of photos from that day) on a thread.

 

[proctorelites]

Thank you!! 30 minutes of searching and frustration. Pretty simple lol

 

[LietKynes]

Quote from PommyMommy on media thread AZ - AZ - Barbara Thomas, 69, Timeline, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

JUL 19, 2019
Video: Husband of missing 69-year-old hiker says police consider him a suspect

• SBCSO says they are not releasing any information about the missing person investigation and interviews with family members.
• Authorities also say they have no evidence the woman was abducted nor have they found any trace of her.
• Rescuers resumed the search at daybreak using off-road vehicles, K9 units, hikers, and aerial support.
• Authorities are unaware of how long RT and BT were separated before she disappeared nor do they know how far she was from the RV at the time.
• Officials also say that they are unaware of any medical conditions that may have caused BT to become disoriented or lost.

BBM According to our VI, RT was questioned for 5 hours by LE on the day Barbara disappeared. Seven days later and LE still doesn't know this relevant information? IMO either LE is totally inexperienced and doesn't know how to conduct a missing person investigation OR LE does not believe the information RT gave them during that 5 hours of questioning. IMO if LE does have photos proving Barbara was there that day, the time stamp of those photos doesn't prove the timeline given by RT.

Lavender Bolding mine

Bumping forward this excellent post.
Logic would indicate the latter lavender bolded portion points to the obvious.

 

[Micheline]

From what my eyes see, the sun is clearly not directly above her in the MSM pic. I would need to have an expert tell me that it is only possible to get that shot at one time of day on one day of the year (which by the way, according to the post I'm replying to, isn't even the same day she disappeared).

Just look at her shoulder strap, such a shade can only occur with the sun almost directly above her.
The rest is common sense. No offense intended. IMO.

 

[deugirtni]

It's really difficult to keep things straight when info comes from non-MSM sources, which is why VI status may be the way to go, or to not discuss inside info from non- MSM sources that other posters would not know about (such as the existence of photos from that day) on a thread.

There is actually a WS 'rule' that says if you can't link it, don't post it (something to that effect anyway!).

ETA: edit to add, 'unless you are a VI'.. as VI's are not required to provide links.

 

[PommyMommy]

Just look at her shoulder strap, such a shade can only occur with the sun almost directly above her.
The rest is common sense. No offense intended. IMO.

No, shadows are formed where light is missing. Basic physics. There is both a dark shadow and a light shadow in the photo of Barbara in the red hat/bikini top.

A dark shadow (umbra) is formed where no light falls and a light shadow (penumbra) is formed where some light falls, but some is blocked.
Cyberphysics - Shadows

Workshops, if you're interested in studying light and shadows:
Virtual Workshops -- the 10 cent tour

MOO

 

[deugirtni]

Just look at her shoulder strap, such a shade can only occur with the sun almost directly above her.
The rest is common sense. No offense intended. IMO.

Almost perhaps, but no cigar. It is clearly behind her and to the side of her. And where the shadows lie makes no affirmation that the widely distributed MSM photo is from the day she disappeared, nor the location she disappeared. I'm assuming there are rock formations in other areas, so this is imo.

 

[gsleuth]

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[Leney]

Additionally, and I can't say with 100% certainty without looking at every single case (which would be impossible), but I don't think I've ever seen a photo of a missing person released by LE as NOT labeled, "last known photo of ________" or "photos of ___________ on the day she disappeared" if it is indeed so. MOO

We saw video of Kelsey at Safeway which illustrated what she was wearing when last seen, we saw photos of Maleah with captions like "last known photo," same with Kenzie, and on and on and on...

Perhaps there are multiple pictures of her that day ?
Perhaps LE had not at that exact moment in time, been able to verify the times of the photos that day ?
Perhaps other photos have her further in the distance ?

 

[deugirtni]

One thing that has been niggling at me... It was said by our VI that during RT's phonecall to his family about BT disappearing, he started looking for her around noon. That would presumably mean she had disappeared *before* noon. The couple headed out from their home at 8:15am, as established by a neighbor's video footage. They traveled approx 100 miles. They went on a 'walk', as opposed to a hike, according to our VI. That would have the couple arriving to this destination around 10am or so. I'm not passing judgment here in any way as I have known many to do this from time to time. I just find it worth thinking about, and perhaps questioning whether BT was in the habit, or known to consume alcohol so early in the day, and especially as the couple had just stopped off to look at rock formations (according to reports), and were actually on their way to a camping/vacation destination.

 

[dbdb11]

@dbdb11 , for clarity please, when you say that LE has told you they have photos of Barb on the 12th, is it known with certainty if those photos are indeed at the search location?

Or could they be photos from earlier in the day, before they went on the walk? At home, along the way, or even at the parked RV? Or were they specifically from out along that trail?

Thanks if you can shed more light.

Second comment -- someone observed recently that the baseball cap in the photo looks like it has a red front panel and bill, but white panels on the side.

If true this could explain why a head-on photo shows a red cap, while anyone seeing her in profile might think of it as a white cap.

If this cap were seen on the ground I suspect both colors would be easily seen.

On the other hand there could also be two different caps.

LE said they have photos of Barb on the 12th, and they do believe Barb was there. LE have not shared much else with me.

As far as I know LE have NOT released any photos from that day. I don't know why they haven't, but at this point, like you @Micheline, i dont think it matters.

LE have the photos, as well as bodycam footage on the day. They have roberts initial statements and they scoured the surrounding area for ten days.

whether she was wearing bikini or underwear.... irrelevant to me. hat color also of little consequence to me. There may be very talented sleuths here who can make a lot out of those details.

i didnt even think to ask the kennel what she was wearing. i am looking for motive, including backstory. because, imo, Barbara could not have gotten lost where robbie claims they were, and she could not have been abducted without robert knowing, based on his own accounts.

my own opinion.

somebody has been lying to me about what happened on july 12th.