CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #12

[believe09]

I was going on one of PE's posts where I thought he said Bob had started to see his doctor again on a regular basis. I could be wrong though.

And agreed, any doctor, let alone a geriatric specialist, would be happy to confirm, I'm sure, that dementia and Alzheimers are stand alone conditions, and that Bob's coping and dealing with the loss of his long term - partner was completely normal. In fact, it seemed to me that he coped with his grief better than many people half his age would, - especially considering the special pressure he was under.

I *think* you are referencing this post, which I snipped for length:

I was the last person to sit down and have a conversation with him. I was leaving the next day and wanted to say goodbye. We talked for hours. We talked about Fontelle and his plans for the future. We talked about his health and how he had started going back to the doctor to insure he got the twenty years he wanted with her.

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CA Exile, we need you to come back and elaborate on the time frame here...was he not seeing his DR post Georgia or had it been years and years??

 

[zwiebel]

http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/2010/07/bob-harrod-missing-one-year.html

'The first story was that Bob was suffering from dementia and had wandered away while his son-in-law was at the store. Then, they said he had gotten cold feet and ran away from his new bride.'

'For one thing, I do not know much since the police never contacted me. Second, things that I do know, I was asked not to tell. So I don't.'

http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/2010/06/today-would-have-been-bob-harrods.html

'I had never seen him so happy. He had started going back to the doctor to get himself together, again. He had neglected his health for years taking care of Georgia, then Sassy.'

I don't know if we are goingto be lucky enough to get another visit from CAExile, but here are some quotes from his blogs.

I've put the first two quotes in to help put the third quote in context. PE, imo, is scathing and angry about both the dementia and cold feet theory, and dismissive of them. He seems to be blaming LE for the theories they provided to msm, but not considering who might have suggested these to LE.

He does say Bob neglected his health in his second blog - but not because of grief or lessening of his own faculties, far from it. He says Bob neglected himself because he was weighed down with the burden of caring for his sick wife and then dog, for years. And it sounds as if he received very little, if any, support from family.

The second quote is the most interesting to me - the police had never contacted him, yet someone had asked PE not to tell what he knew. And he obeyed. So if not LE, who could that have been but a family member? It is deeply suspicious that someone blatantly tried to stamp down on any source of information.

 

[Oriah]

http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/2010/07/bob-harrod-missing-one-year.html

'The first story was that Bob was suffering from dementia and had wandered away while his son-in-law was at the store. Then, they said he had gotten cold feet and ran away from his new bride.'

'For one thing, I do not know much since the police never contacted me. Second, things that I do know, I was asked not to tell. So I don't.'

http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/2010/06/today-would-have-been-bob-harrods.html

'I had never seen him so happy. He had started going back to the doctor to get himself together, again. He had neglected his health for years taking care of Georgia, then Sassy.'

I don't know if we are goingto be lucky enough to get another visit from CAExile, but here are some quotes from his blogs.

I've put the first two quotes in to help put the third quote in context. PE, imo, is scathing and angry about both the dementia and cold feet theory, and dismissive of them. He seems to be blaming LE for the theories they provided to msm, but not considering who might have suggested these to LE.

He does say Bob neglected his health in his second blog - but not because of grief or lessening of his own faculties, far from it. He says Bob neglected himself because he was weighed down with the burden of caring for his sick wife and then dog, for years. And it sounds as if he received very little, if any, support from family.

The second quote is the most interesting to me - the police had never contacted him, yet someone had asked PE not to tell what he knew. And he obeyed. So if not LE, who could that have been but a family member? It is deeply suspicious that someone blatantly tried to stamp down on any source of information.

These are some of the posts/reports that really made me go huh?? initially. Mostly because if you get a MP call out with someone suffering from dementia or injury or illness- you jump on that fast.

What the heck was going on with these folks who were reporting or responding during this specific time frame?

 

[believe09]

I am not trying to be argumentative-I guess I just interpret that differently. Neglecting your health in favor of caring for your end stage wife and your beloved pet doesnt necessarily mean years of neglect to me, but what do I know. It could mean postponing treatment, perhaps even surgery, for those bad knees. It could mean resisting the suggestions for treatment that were prescribed by his physician.

His physician was comfortable making a statement to the media that essentially certified Bob's health-I would think that this would be troublesome for him if Bob in fact had some kind of declining health, or he was unfamiliar with Bob's medical history because he lost track of him somehow.

This is just my two cents.

 

[believe09]

These are some of the posts/reports that really made me go huh?? initially. Mostly because if you get a MP call out with someone suffering from dementia or injury or illness- you jump on that fast.

What the heck was going on with these folks who were reporting or responding during this specific time frame?

For me it still comes back to someone waiting for Fontelle to call and try to report him missing and a well being check being required first, which makes complete sense.

This was a man of advanced years-anything could have happened inside of the home.

BUT-why didnt the family barge down the door? If AH received keys from a trusted neighbor, why didnt he go inside and yell for Bob?

:waitasec:

 

[Oriah]

I am not trying to be argumentative-I guess I just interpret that differently. Neglecting your health in favor of caring for your end stage wife and your beloved pet doesnt necessarily mean years of neglect to me, but what do I know. It could mean postponing treatment, perhaps even surgery, for those bad knees. It could mean resisting the suggestions for treatment that were prescribed by his physician.

His physician was comfortable making a statement to the media that essentially certified Bob's health-I would think that this would be troublesome for him if Bob in fact had some kind of declining health, or he was unfamiliar with Bob's medical history because he lost track of him somehow.

This is just my two cents.

Sorry believe- not trying to be argumentative at all. Just trying to figure out what everyone involved was doing prior to Mr. Harrod's disappearance- including Mr. Harrod.
His health history is not important (and hopefully, that's protected information) with the exception of a possible route of travel and whether or not mobility would impact that. Which I really should put down in the SAR forum. My bad, again. Sorry.

 

[zwiebel]

I think you might have hit on the one story all the daughters, as well as neighbour, have been consistent/in agreement on - Bob had bad knees and never went further than around his street.

I think his limited mobility was a very useful bit of info for helping to highlight the 'wandered off' theory for what it was; ------- (I'll leave the gap for someone else to fill in. I can't think of a polite word).

 

[zwiebel]

beyond the farthest realms of the most elevated imagination?

Although admittedly, that is not one word.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I think you might have hit on the one story all the daughters, as well as neighbour, have been consistent/in agreement on - Bob had bad knees and never went further than around his street.

I think his limited mobility was a very useful bit of info for helping to highlight the 'wandered off' theory for what it was; ------- (I'll leave the gap for someone else to fill in. I can't think of a polite word).

In one of the media stories before Bob disappeared, it had a clip of Bob moving around his back yard. To my eye, Bob moved very carefully, like someone who had bad knees. He had a very short stride, around the length of his own foot (so about 12 inches) and he was tentative in the way he rolled his bodyweight from one leg to the other as he walked. No sudden shifts of weight from joint to joint; my guess is that he wasn't sure he'd stay on his feet if he made a sudden move.

I am not a doctor but I've spent most of my life watching horses and dogs move. To my eye, the way Bob moved spoke of painful joints. With his very short stride length and careful manner of moving, he wouldn't get far on his own. Looking at the way he was moving compared to the length of the block in Placentia, I'm guessing it probably took him more than half an hour to make his customary circuit down the street, across the street, up the street, back across the street and then home again (two blocks total).

If JeM was gone for less than an hour, well, Bob would still have been within sight of his own home had he left voluntarily.

 

[believe09]

Sorry believe- not trying to be argumentative at all. Just trying to figure out what everyone involved was doing prior to Mr. Harrod's disappearance- including Mr. Harrod.
His health history is not important (and hopefully, that's protected information) with the exception of a possible route of travel and whether or not mobility would impact that. Which I really should put down in the SAR forum. My bad, again. Sorry.

OH NO-crossed wires. I am puzzling out Mr Harrods possible lapse in healthcare and whether or not there was one.

You are right, it doesnt really matter outside of his mobility. :blushing:

 

[zwiebel]

Did anyone notice in the Abraham Shakespeare case, the star appearance of the Home Depot surveillance tapes?

We know they've got them now, and know they work. They also knew exactly what the suspect bought.

Hopefully, all of the above is available to LE in this case. Every little helps, as they say.

 

[Angelo]

I guess at the end of the day, even if Bob wandered a way (which I disagree with), no one chose to look for him until many hours later. His knees prevented foot travel of any distance.

It perplexes me that his family on the ground in So CA didnt look for him sooner. His car was there. JeM didnt stick around-we have hashed that one over for sure. It was a super hot day, Bob could only walk short distances and his car was in the driveway. I am willing to take a leap and say the phantom SUV didnt exist-jmvho.

Not looking speaks volumes. The lack of concern speaks volumes. The insistence that Mrs Harrod file a MP report from out of state speaks volumes.

And then there is the changing clothing description...

JuM starts the time line between 12 and 1 in her interview the next day.

Angelo, is there a post shortly after the disappearance where she sets the disappearance for 28 hours prior which would start the timeline around 10AM??

Jul 28, 2009


From: Jules
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:50 PM

Plea for Positive Thoughts and Prayers - My dad is missing

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want to remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.


http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

JuM has since removed this post.

 

[suzyq211]

JuM has since removed this post.

My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago.

Once again, a very odd way of speaking. Sort of like "He responded in a favorable way"

 

[believe09]

I wonder if it was before or after she taped the interview on the same day?

That is a pretty wide difference.

The language is bizarre, but that is what we have come to expect. The communication style of this family is different.

And it all fits in with Persons who aid and abet the commission of a crime have no right to a reward

 

[believe09]

So the time line begins at 950AM according to JuM.

Or between 12 and 1 according to JuM.

Both of these statements made by her on the very same day.

Why the difference?

 

[believe09]

On the upside, this thread was just created and has been viewed 382 times!!

 

[Cubby]

So the time line begins at 950AM according to JuM.

Or between 12 and 1 according to JuM.

Both of these statements made by her on the very same day.

Why the difference?

I have the same question, and I would love to hear JuM's explanation on why she gave two different times her father was last seen on the same day.

:waiting:

 

[believe09]

She was on camera when she stated the time frame and she was typing away on her computer when she logged the other one.

I wonder if she was still at Bob's house when she was posting.

 

[Seajay]

It depends on how you look at it Seajay-they are having a trial next week to decide whether or not she should be compelled to pay rent for the privilege of living in her own marital home.

I'm still trying to catch up on facts in this case. Who is bringing forth the trial, or do I really have to ask? So the gloves are off with the eaglets towards stepmomma. I'd be very curious to learn the outcome of this trial.

 

[Seajay]

Yes, Bob's family is trying to force Fontelle out of the house. At one point, they wanted to charge her rent (since when do spouses charge each other rent?).

In theory, while Bob is missing, his conservators are supposed to run his estate as if he were going to come back tomorrow. Unfortunately, what Bob would come back to is a house that was ransacked.

It really makes me wonder why his daughters were certain so soon that Bob would never come back.

Thanks Grainne. How do these people live with themselves? They know darn well he's not coming back. Everything they do screams that they know he's not coming back. His house being cleaned out of his property, his beloved wife being force to pay rent to live in his house. They can run his affairs for him while he's gone with the assumption he's coming back but in no world would he have charged his own wife rent. Can spouses even do that ???