CA - Body of local doctor found in chimney flue

[annmarie62]

When I read her obit, I noticed that she died the DAY BEFORE HER 50th BIRTHDAY... So I wonder if she had been "expecting"- or been promised- a very special birthday celebration/trip... one that for whatever reason got sabotaged- wrecked "all to hell" (as we say in the South!)- and thus affected her very very painfully and deeply. Sometimes "milestone" birthdays turn out to be miserable...:twocents:

 

[jjenny]

When I read her obit, I noticed that she died the DAY BEFORE HER 50th BIRTHDAY... So I wonder if she had been "expecting"- or been promised- a very special birthday celebration/trip... one that for whatever reason got sabotaged- wrecked "all to hell" (as we say in the South!)- and thus affected her very very painfully and deeply. Sometimes "milestone" birthdays turn out to be miserable...:twocents:

They were supposed to have gone to Europe together.

 

[drip~drop]

It makes no sense to me either. The Jackie K I knew was level-headed, cautious, logical. I know she was going through the age thing - it was obvious to me anyway because we talked about getting old.

What really angers me is that William M has vanished. The LE and TV community has just dropped this story. Legally, they cannot make him tell them what happened, so they say. Boy, did he slither out of this easily...he shut everybody up by telling them what a wonderful doctor she was, yada, yada. Will we ever know?

And, he has still kept his picture off the screen. No one knows what he looks like. It's time some investigative journalists got busy, IMHO.

Feels like a cover-up for WM.

What do you mean by cover-up? Slither?
Nobody but that poor doc put her in that chiminy.
The guy had the right to leave his home no matter who wanted to come inside. Besides, if they were that close, where was her key?
This was just an unfortunate, sad situation. imo

 

[cluciano63]

What do you mean by cover-up? Slither?
Nobody but that poor doc put her in that chiminy.
The guy had the right to leave his home no matter who wanted to come inside. Besides, if they were that close, where was her key?
This was just an unfortunate, sad situation. imo

I agree, it is just a sad situation and the man is no more to blame than if it was a man coming down the chimney into a woman's house...he had the right to get out of there. How on earth would he expect that she would die?

If the sexes were reversed in this story, we would likely be applauding the woman for minding her own safety and fleeing the scene...

I feel badly for this man; no matter how bad of a break-up they may have had, there was no way he could predict she would do anything like this. I still can't believe and I don't know either of the people involved. It is a bizarre tragedy.

 

[Tuffy]

I agree, it is just a sad situation and the man is no more to blame than if it was a man coming down the chimney into a woman's house...he had the right to get out of there. How on earth would he expect that she would die?

If the sexes were reversed in this story, we would likely be applauding the woman for minding her own safety and fleeing the scene...

I feel badly for this man; no matter how bad of a break-up they may have had, there was no way he could predict she would do anything like this. I still can't believe and I don't know either of the people involved. It is a bizarre tragedy.

I feel really awful for this guy, too. I can't imagine how horrible that would be to have my ex die in the chimney of my house. That has got to mess with you psychologically. I understand that he doesn't want to live there anymore, and will have to sell the house at a loss most likely.

It's really sad. I hope he can get on with his life okay.

 

[tapu]

Yeah, it is interesting to think how this would be different if the genders were reversed--how our reaction would be different. Some would no doubt cheer that he (in the chimney) got his just rewards for attempted breaking and entering, and stalking. Ha ha ha, too bad they all can't get caught in a chimney and die doing it. No sympathy here!

I don't think that potential scenario is exaggerated. I guess we can't quite perceive the woman, especially since she's a doctor (not sure that would matter if this were a male doctor), to be a dangerous perpetrator toward a male target. On the other hand, if a male had been in the chimney, we might be saying, "Thank god he didn't get to her." I don't think the we recognize the same potential for violence when the aggressor is a woman.

 

[Joe Friday]

http://www.turnto23.com/news/25625489/detail.html

Bakersfield Doctor Found Dead In Chimney Had No Alcohol In System

According to the Kern County Sheriff's Department coroner, the doctor who was found dead in a chimney flue tested negative for alcohol, negative for illicit drugs and positive for prescription medication, but the medication was within therapeutic range.

(Snipped)

 

[Tuffy]

http://www.turnto23.com/news/25625489/detail.html

Bakersfield Doctor Found Dead In Chimney Had No Alcohol In System

According to the Kern County Sheriff's Department coroner, the doctor who was found dead in a chimney flue tested negative for alcohol, negative for illicit drugs and positive for prescription medication, but the medication was within therapeutic range.

(Snipped)

Wow. So she did this stone-cold sober. :no: I really makes you wonder what she was thinking. Was she going to do something to him once she got in? This case is just so weird, even weirder when you think she made such a horrible decision and was not impaired.

 

[tapu]

Two thoughts:

1. It might have been easier for her if she'd been drunk. I was thinking maybe she was shnockered, even, and barely realized what was going on. Guess not....

2. If I ever, ever do something this crazy and stupid, and especially if I end up on the news about it, please, please tell everyone I was completely schnockered. I would not want my mother or anyone else to know I'd done this sober!

 

[The Green Hornet]

Apparently she wasn't too smart tho.
Entering through the chimney..a doctor, a lady doctor yet. :waitasec:

That's terribly crazy imo. Poor thing. Really, whatever happened to smashing in a window.

Or smashing down the front door....

Anything better than trying to pull a Santa Claus and stuff yourself down the chimney.

 

[kgeaux]

http://www.turnto23.com/news/25625489/detail.html

Bakersfield Doctor Found Dead In Chimney Had No Alcohol In System

According to the Kern County Sheriff's Department coroner, the doctor who was found dead in a chimney flue tested negative for alcohol, negative for illicit drugs and positive for prescription medication, but the medication was within therapeutic range.

(Snipped)

This poor woman had some mental issues, I'll bet. No way does a SANE, sober person go down an ex-boyfriend's chimney. The mental process that got her to the point that she believed this action was a viable response to him not answering the door was surely skewed, and skewed badly.

 

[southcitymom]

http://www.turnto23.com/news/25625489/detail.html

Bakersfield Doctor Found Dead In Chimney Had No Alcohol In System

According to the Kern County Sheriff's Department coroner, the doctor who was found dead in a chimney flue tested negative for alcohol, negative for illicit drugs and positive for prescription medication, but the medication was within therapeutic range.

(Snipped)

Now this is a head scratcher....I felt certain alcohol was involved, but it looks like it was just intense emotion that made this normally rational doctor make such an irrational decision.

 

[southcitymom]

This poor woman had some mental issues, I'll bet. No way does a SANE, sober person go down an ex-boyfriend's chimney. The mental process that got her to the point that she believed this action was a viable response to him not answering the door was surely skewed, and skewed badly.

The thing is - there seems to be no indication that she had a mental disorder of any magnitude. She was successful, involved in her community, normal by all accounts according to people who knew her. Perhaps the relationship with her lover was just completely fraught with emotion and her emotions got the best of her.

I agree that her mental processes were very skewed....for me, news of her sobriety makes it even harder to understand.

 

[Joe Friday]

The thing is - there seems to be no indication that she had a mental disorder of any magnitude. She was successful, involved in her community, normal by all accounts according to people who knew her. Perhaps the relationship with her lover was just completely fraught with emotion and her emotions got the best of her.

I agree that her mental processes were very skewed....for me, news of her sobriety makes it even harder to understand.

I suspect that the doctor was a jealous person and perhaps maybe even had some stalking tendency's in the past, finding breaking up with someone as a hard thing to take.

It would be interesting to know if LE had ever been called before by anyone the doctor had a past relationship with regarding her stalking them or other domestic incidents.

In the following linked article her boyfriend WM stated "She had her issues, she had her demons, but I never lost my respect for her." I wonder exactly what he was refering to when he said this.

Also in this article is was reported that she had been drinking but it was not stated who said this such as an eyewitness or LE had questioned or received a tip from someone regarding this.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/02/lovesick-doctor-suffocates-in-lovers-chimney/#ixzz14QOzRFw0

hallowedbe had posted that she had been at one of her old hangouts and had even called a towing service that night to take her and her car home because she had been drinking. (Of course there is no link to this information and I don't know if hallowedbe is a verified poster on this thread or not, so we have to consider this as a rumor until we know otherwise)

She had been drinking at her old hangout, Club Med. She was aware that she was drunk and called a towing service to take her and her car home. It was after she had been home for a while that she jumped back into her car and went to Moodie's house to confront him about something that had obviously thrown her into a rage. The rest is history.

But you would surely think LE would have followed up on this lead to see if she had indeed had her car towed that night from a bar because she had been drinking, especially now after the toxicology report comes back with no alcohol in her system. It is possible LE doesn't know the information about the car being towed also. Any locals care to check?

Does anyone remember if the doctors priors had been posted anywhere? I didn't see mention of anything on this thread when I skimmed through it.

 

[BuzzieCat]

Very confusing. I thought that there had been initial reports that she was at a bar for a while, went home, then went back out and proceeded to break into the boyfriend's house. Kind of surprising that she wasn't drinking, based on that scenario and her subsequent actions. That was either one turbulent relationship and/or it must have caused her to completely lose it. That's just not a normal reaction. If he won't talk to you, take the hint and maybe stop to think you're better off without him if he's making you that miserable! Very sad.

 

[Joe Friday]

If some (phyco) girlfriend of mine was trying to break into my house with a shovel the last thing I would do is duck out of the house to avoid confrontation, only having to return to see what kind of damage she might have had done while I was gone. If she is that crazy to try and break the door open I can only imagine what she is going to do to the inside of the house if she does get in. I would have called LE and had her stopped and let them decide the best course of action to take against her.

I can imagine calling LE on your loved one or ex-partner would be a hard thing to do. But if WM had called LE the doctor would undoubtedly still be with us today with maybe a slightly tarnished record. I don't think LE, WM or the DA would have pursue burglary charges against her and she would have likely only received a simple misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct and been required to take an anger management class getting the help she needed. I don't think when WM left the house he could have ever predicted she would go to such extremes as she did to cause her own death. I also think he didn't want to get her in trouble with the law and that is why he didn't call LE when she was trying to gain entry. But a simple charge against the doctor would not have ruined her life.

We know WM had knowledge of the doctor trying to force her way into his house from what the Bakersfield police Sgt. Mary DeGeare said. Quoted from the article. "DeGeare said she wasn’t sure what the status of the relationship was — whether they had been broken up or not — when Kotarac went to the house. The man, however, didn’t want to see her and left the home unnoticed to avoid a confrontation as she tried to force her way inside."

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/loc...-to-be-that-of-local-doctor?utm_source=co2hog

You surely would have thought WM would have wanted to protect his property wouldn't you?

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

Oh geez, why oh why do people think they can fit in a chimney?

If Santa can fit down a chimney, anyone can! Right? :waitasec:

 

[southcitymom]

Hallowedbe's been around WS for a while. I do not know where she got her information about the drinking, but if tox tests say no alcohol in the doctor, I think we have to go with that.

 

[Tuffy]

If some (phyco) girlfriend of mine was trying to break into my house with a shovel the last thing I would do is duck out of the house to avoid confrontation, only having to return to see what kind of damage she might have had done while I was gone. If she is that crazy to try and break the door open I can only imagine what she is going to do to the inside of the house if she does get in. I would have called LE and had her stopped and let them decide the best course of action to take against her.

I can imagine calling LE on your loved one or ex-partner would be a hard thing to do. But if WM had called LE the doctor would undoubtedly still be with us today with maybe a slightly tarnished record. I don't think LE, WM or the DA would have pursue burglary charges against her and she would have likely only received a simple misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct and been required to take an anger management class getting the help she needed. I don't think when WM left the house he could have ever predicted she would go to such extremes as she did to cause her own death. I also think he didn't want to get her in trouble with the law and that is why he didn't call LE when she was trying to gain entry. But a simple charge against the doctor would not have ruined her life.

We know WM had knowledge of the doctor trying to force her way into his house from what the Bakersfield police Sgt. Mary DeGeare said. Quoted from the article. "DeGeare said she wasn’t sure what the status of the relationship was — whether they had been broken up or not — when Kotarac went to the house. The man, however, didn’t want to see her and left the home unnoticed to avoid a confrontation as she tried to force her way inside."

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/loc...-to-be-that-of-local-doctor?utm_source=co2hog

You surely would have thought WM would have wanted to protect his property wouldn't you?

He had known her for a long time, and they were still friends. They even planned a vacation together. I would be that they had had fights before without her damaging his property. As far as I know there was no evidence of her damaging anything that night after he left.

My opinion is that he left to avoid the unpleasantness of being confronted by her. She must have been very emotional, and he might not have wanted to deal with it. He probably walked away thinking he would talk to her when she cooled down.

 

[kgeaux]

The thing is - there seems to be no indication that she had a mental disorder of any magnitude. She was successful, involved in her community, normal by all accounts according to people who knew her. Perhaps the relationship with her lover was just completely fraught with emotion and her emotions got the best of her.

I agree that her mental processes were very skewed....for me, news of her sobriety makes it even harder to understand.

I know, I agree! But it is insane to think that going down someone's chimney to gain access to their house is a reasonable action! Maybe she just flipped out for a while, but I'm willing to bet that something deep inside her mind had gone terribly wrong, and the people around her just hadn't noticed it, or she was hiding it.

No drugs, no alcohol. Do we know if the brain was normal on autopsy? (I have heard of people with undiagnosed brain tumors doing things completely out of character.)

If Santa can fit down a chimney, anyone can! Right? :waitasec:

I guess anyone under----oh, let's say 13----might fall for the "if fat, jolly old Santa can fit, then I can too" but really, a doctor?

(LOL, I know your statement was made in jest! I'm just playing with you!)