bessie
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You're good, LittleWing. A bit small, this time. If you keep the width at about 600-650, you'll be fine.
But I wonder what sort of customers are they hoping to attract from such publicity? The murderous kind? Or maybe the really adventurous kind? I know after this, there is no way I'd ever want to check into that hotel. I mean, yikes... the water, for a start. And the vibes are just too negative from what I have read so far of it. Though the rooms look okay for a budget hotel/hostel. I might be okay staying in it when I was in my late teens, early 20s, travelling. I can imagine it will still appeal to backpacking youngsters travelling in groups, say, or pairs, who can look after each other and don't mind it's troubling history as long as it's cheap. But no way am I going there now even though I still go travelling a lot with my kids and we try to go for reasonably cheaper options to save some money!
its the bottom the lighter rectangular hole is where they cut to remove her body you can see the reflection in the water of the photographer looking through the opening at the top - interesting re scale imo
She wanted to ride the elevator down. You can discern that much from the video.
Like I said, enough with the suicide theories, unless there is evidence or a prior history of suicidal behavior. You then have to provide explanations for why in LA, why a water tank, her gifts for family, her plans to go to Santa Cruz, why she chose the last day in LA instead of the first day, how the lid was closed, or why the police missed an open lid, why she went on the roof naked, why she wanted to take the elevator down.
If "mental illness" is the only explanation for "why", then that's not enough.
The "A" is in lowercase in the postcard fragment. In the graffiti on the roof it looks to be in caps.
Just one little thing about depression though (although I doubt she was depressed when she died), how does any depressed person get the energy to commit suicide?
The thing about suicide and depression is that once the person decides they can;t handle the sadness and pain anymore, and decide to end their life, the depression tends to lift a bit. They suddenly seem happy. They have some energy back and then bang: I just wanted to make sure to say that in case someone thinks a very depressed person would not have the energy to commit suicide. That could be a fatal mistake.
No more photos of her? How about San Diego, Toronto? Phone not stolen/lost till the 27th. No way LE can control the almost inevitable sending of pics around. Very unusual to have only text.
So far we have apart from elevator stills: (please add if possible)
Elisa Plaid Shirt
Graduation with Mother
Second picture glasses hair swept to side, reflection or other figure behind
Georg Stromb. show hat and scarf
Elisa wearing scarf
Also: I hesitate to say this not trying interrupt the excellent sleuthing of the video here - but if you google Elisa Lam Images and get the elevator stills.... just personally I would be at a loss to know it is her for sure. Of course I never knew her. Would be great to hear from her family on this single issue whether they were certain it was her or to hear from LE how they corraborated it is her.
Also still looking for accounts or video or stills of her being taken from the building.
I have bipolar2 like Elisa, that is why I am so drawn to this case, and feel like I understand her state of mind. I've been hypomanic and travelling alone, and have met different people hanging out in hotel lobbies, different restaurants, online, etc.
I have also been deeply suicidal, to the point where i've been in isolation at a hospital. I understand the point of view.
What I am trying to say is, IF she took this trip to kill herself, I don't think the method would be to jump into the water tank. She also seemed to really look forward to this trip, and was communicating with friends back home via her private Facebook.
Also, previously she described her depression as being such that she did not feel like going outside or doing anything when it got really bad. So, her baseline depressive state would NOT be to roam around a hotel. This is not a general statement on depression and suicidality, it is a statement on Elisa Lam and her state of mind via what she's presented via her blogs.
Sounds to me like Elisa suffered from atypical depression:
Atypical depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I have bipolar2 like Elisa, that is why I am so drawn to this case, and feel like I understand her state of mind. I've been hypomanic and travelling alone, and have met different people hanging out in hotel lobbies, different restaurants, online, etc.
I have also been deeply suicidal, to the point where i've been in isolation at a hospital. I understand the point of view.
What I am trying to say is, IF she took this trip to kill herself, I don't think the method would be to jump into the water tank. She also seemed to really look forward to this trip, and was communicating with friends back home via her private Facebook.
Also, previously she described her depression as being such that she did not feel like going outside or doing anything when it got really bad. So, her baseline depressive state would NOT be to roam around a hotel. This is not a general statement on depression and suicidality, it is a statement on Elisa Lam and her state of mind via what she's presented via her blogs.
Sounds to me like Elisa suffered from atypical depression:
Atypical depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also, living in Vancouver can be depressing, especially during the winter when it's dark and rainy most of the time. California's sunshine would have perked her up a bit, not made her suicidal.
Just saying, not pointing anyone out specifically... but I did a search for sex offenders living at 640 South Main Street, Los Angeles and found at least 5 hits. I'm sure the police would be looking at them first. But, just saying... this building has a history of drugs, prostitution and murder. There is no reason to think it would not linger there, in fact it would be naive to think it would not.
Also, the term "booger" (in reference to the graffiti) sometimes also refers to drugs like cocaine (anything taken through the nose).
Also there appears to be no other graffiti on the roof.
I have bipolar2 like Elisa, that is why I am so drawn to this case, and feel like I understand her state of mind. I've been hypomanic and travelling alone, and have met different people hanging out in hotel lobbies, different restaurants, online, etc.
I have also been deeply suicidal, to the point where i've been in isolation at a hospital. I understand the point of view.
What I am trying to say is, IF she took this trip to kill herself, I don't think the method would be to jump into the water tank. She also seemed to really look forward to this trip, and was communicating with friends back home via her private Facebook.
Also, previously she described her depression as being such that she did not feel like going outside or doing anything when it got really bad. So, her baseline depressive state would NOT be to roam around a hotel. This is not a general statement on depression and suicidality, it is a statement on Elisa Lam and her state of mind via what she's presented via her blogs.
Sounds to me like Elisa suffered from atypical depression:
Atypical depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ok wow I have this case 100% figured out, through and through! With that being said Im sure in the end ill be 100% wrong but this theory of mine to me seems flawless. Perhaps its flawed but I think it answers a lot of my questions with reasonable answers.
Elisa Lams last moments as I see them.
1: Elisa decides that she will take up an offer to hang out with someone or multiple people on the roof. During that time the party she is with mentions being afraid of elevators or something similar and suggests they take the stairs (this explains why she isnt seen going up)
2: Whilest on the roof it becomes apparent to her either directly through contact be it verbal or physical or through intuition that these people or person shes with are bad news and that she needs to leave. She either makes a daring escape running away, or makes a coy escape ie I need to use the washroom and I dont want anyone to see.
3: SHe makes her way to the 15th or 14th floor (where we see her on video entering the elevator) At this point she feels scared, yet slightly relieved that she escaped. She presses a row of buttons (either due to lack of vision or due to having knowledge of how to flee in an elevator)
4: This whole time she has a sense of relief - but also is met by a great sense of paranoia. What if they catch me trying to leave she thinks. So she peers out of the elevator making sure shes not in danger.
5: As shes looking intently in one direction, the person or persons sneak up on her. This is where she starts acting really weird. IMO they/he is telling her that everything will be ok just come back to the roof and she wont get hurt.
6: Thats when she turns back in to the elevator shocked - Did he/they say that they might harm me? She frantically presses buttons to no avail.
7: In the interest of her safety she abides and cooperates with her attacker/attackers and goes back to the roof.
8: The attackers intent is to rape her. One person or multiple.
9: Elisa allows this to happen. She knows shes vulnerable and doesnt want to get hurt so she complies with the perp/perps and allows him/them to do this.
10: Once they are done (and I admit this isnt the most solid idea but it would work IMO) they force her into a tank. "We dont want you to follow us, get into this tank and we'll leave"
11: Elisa complies and is unable to get out of the tank. She dies in the tank without sign of struggle.
This explains why she would be naked.
Thoughts?
There is other graffiti on the roof, which suggests that is it a hangout for some people that know how to go up there.
In this picture, graffiti on the tank, the box on the bottom, and the door.
She wanted to ride the elevator down. You can discern that much from the video.
Like I said, enough with the suicide theories, unless there is evidence or a prior history of suicidal behavior. You then have to provide explanations for why in LA, why a water tank, her gifts for family, her plans to go to Santa Cruz, why she chose the last day in LA instead of the first day, how the lid was closed, or why the police missed an open lid, why she went on the roof naked, why she wanted to take the elevator down.
If "mental illness" is the only explanation for "why", then that's not enough.