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Check out google for 'LAM Elisa' it's some kind of drug or something...code name for some drug or antibody...
Is he not one of the said sex offenders living in the building? Also I read in an earlier post that floors 1-3 were used as short term stay rooms. AKA not 30 years.
If you're going with that theory that she entered the tank on her own accord, then can I see your explanation as to how she was able to get up the roof please?
Some hoodlums sprayed graffiti around those water tanks. Could you imagine them dumping waste like trash, poison, and other harmful things that will be distributed in the hotel's water supply that is used for drinking, showering and etc? The fact that Cecil Hotel has been lucky this hasn't happened, tells me nobody could have acknowledged those water tanks as being, well...water tanks.
Is he not one of the said sex offenders living in the building? Also I read in an earlier post that floors 1-3 were used as short term stay rooms. AKA not 30 years.
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In my opinion, not all graffiti artists are hoodlums. Yes, technically most graffiti is vandalism, but graffiti, particularly in cities has been considered a valid (albeit somewhat underground and often illegal) form of self-expression. It's a renegade art form that is becoming more and more accepted in both the art world and as a positive influence in some urban areas.
From the Berlin Wall to the rowhouses in Derry, from the Scandinavian Institute of Comparative Vandalism (I can't make up a place like that ) to the ruins of Pompeii, graffiti has been everything from beautification project to political protest, from cultural phenomenon to gang symbol, from a way to sully a reputation to a way to strengthen one. Graffiti is profoundly diverse and deserves more respect from the art work.
Back to the graffiti at hand, without knowing the medium used to make the tag we see, it's hard to make an assessment of handwriting style. Spray paint graffiti lettering tends to be more swoopy and less crisp. To me, the graffiti we've been discussing looks like it was done with a paint marker as opposed to airbrushing, pissing (filling a fire extinguisher with paint to get distance) or spray cans. I don't think the graffiti is related to the case, I think it was just some kid's way of saying "Kilroy was here."
Check out google for 'LAM Elisa' it's some kind of drug or something...code name for some drug or antibody...
By climbing the stairs and going out the door that was supposedly alarmed. Why do u assume this door is impenetrable is the better question? How do you know the alarm worked? How do you know it was even locked?? All evidence suggests it to be quite the easy roof to access
Furthermore... If she was on one of the top 2 floors, why is it so hard to concept that she was hanging out with someone on the roof? Proximity to me makes it a possibility
Either she was with the suspect on the roof before we see her in the elevator, or she was in a room on the 14th or 15th floor, regardless she felt it was time to go to bed and he didnt want to let her.
OK. Maybe I've taken too much cold medicine and am not getting my point across.
If the dog was tracking her scent and she was carried around on the roof when she was dead less than a day or two, the dog should still have smelled her. THAT is why I'm saying I think the dogs missed something if they were tracking her scent.
So. Perp kills her. Perp waits for opportunity to get her up to the roof when the coast is clear. Perp get her body to roof. Perp carries body to tank. Perp puts body in tank. A dog tracking her scent (NOT a cadaver dog) should have smelled her unless she lay in someone's apartment/room for days and THEN was transferred to the roof.
If that still doesn't get my point across, I'll be in the corner doing NyQuil shooters.
No, not listed as a sex offender. They do have a few in the building, I know one is on floor 10 and another on 7. When I first did a search I came up with 5 SO's at the address but could only confirm room #'s for 2. My understanding is floors 1-3 were used for short term stays as well. That's what made think something wasn't quite right with the article. I also think it's possible she was on the 15th floor while trying to get on the elevator. Which would tie in to the noise and flooding that Diaz experienced that night
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In my opinion, not all graffiti artists are hoodlums. Yes, technically most graffiti is vandalism, but graffiti, particularly in cities has been considered a valid (albeit somewhat underground and often illegal) form of self-expression. It's a renegade art form that is becoming more and more accepted in both the art world and as a positive influence in some urban areas.
From the Berlin Wall to the rowhouses in Derry, from the Scandinavian Institute of Comparative Vandalism (I can't make up a place like that ) to the ruins of Pompeii, graffiti has been everything from beautification project to political protest, from cultural phenomenon to gang symbol, from a way to sully a reputation to a way to strengthen one. Graffiti is profoundly diverse and deserves more respect from the art work.
Back to the graffiti at hand, without knowing the medium used to make the tag we see, it's hard to make an assessment of handwriting style. Spray paint graffiti lettering tends to be more swoopy and less crisp. To me, the graffiti we've been discussing looks like it was done with a paint marker as opposed to airbrushing, pissing (filling a fire extinguisher with paint to get distance) or spray cans. I don't think the graffiti is related to the case, I think it was just some kid's way of saying "Kilroy was here."
Sorry, but people trespassing up a restricted area like the rooftop at the Cecil Hotel is a hoodlum in my book.
Besides, this wasn't the only graffiti mark on the rooftops. There's graffiti on one of the water tanks, the rooftop doors, and perhaps more...
Have to agree, "Booger" was just leaving his mark. Doubt he or any of the 780 krew know anything about this. Besides if you were booger would you leave a dead body 5 feet from where your name is tagged.
So did diaz Lie? or did the paper just assume he meant he was on the 3rd floor because Elisas room was on the fourth? or was he on the 14th floor and heard the ruckus above him? because if such is the case its making a lot more sense.
I was troubled at the idea that the killer would bring her back to her room only to kill her on the roof. I didnt see it likely that if she was on the 14th or 15th floor than any struggle insued on the 4th floor .... at all.
Again, the rooftop entrance is locked, and has an alarm trigger that rings throughout the hotel if the door is opened. The alarm can be disabled if you have a special key to insert in the security panel. Only employees at the Cecil Hotel, specifically - Janitor, security, maintenance and management would have access to that key as well as keys to unlock the door up there.
Im pretty sure thats just coincidence.
Not sure if he lied, was misquoted or LE asked that the floor # be changed because of the investigation. It just fits and makes a lot more sense now that it shows him actually living on the 14th. I cannot imagine the killer risking walking around the hotel with her even if it was the middle of the night. I did entertain the idea of an employee attacking her in her room but getting her body from the 4th floor to the roof is much much harder in that instance
So did diaz Lie? or did the paper just assume he meant he was on the 3rd floor because Elisas room was on the fourth? or was he on the 14th floor and heard the ruckus above him? because if such is the case its making a lot more sense.
I was troubled at the idea that the killer would bring her back to her room only to kill her on the roof. I didnt see it likely that if she was on the 14th or 15th floor than any struggle insued on the 4th floor .... at all.
Hello to everyone,
I'm new to Websleuths, just like many others I have a lot of thoughts, opinions and speculations in regards to Elisa Lam mysterious dissaperance and death.
I'm not sure if other have seen the surveillance video, of Elisa Lam, in the elevator on youtube in REVERSE, its equally creepy.
Another video, that was recorded off a cell phone, that I JUST watched is of some guy actually SCALING THE (secure) ROOFTOP of the cecil hotel. It was posted by somebody named *snip*, on February 14TH 2012, 18 seconds long.
Lets explore this further
IF Elisa was in the tank the whole time, or at least prior to the search dogs.....How long do scent trails last, especially on a roof that is exposed to the elements? In rain? Would the scent stay strong even under rain? How could dogs track a scent that was immediately dispersed into the air If she was carried and inside of a bag? her body might not have necessarily touched anything at all, nothing for her scent to cling to. the only time you REALLY wonder why they didn't pick up on anything in a particular area is near the opening of and around the cisterns. if indeed she was in the tank when they searched, Whether someone put her in there or she got in there herself, she would have likely touched the ladder, cistern, lid,around the opening to lower herself in, etc. if she was lowered in and the bag removed, parts of her would've more than likely touched the outside of the cistern, too. I doubt they would've been able to put her, in the bag, inside the tank, then cut it off of her somehow to leave her in there, nude.
So I think you are right, unless it's very possible any scent she might've left, after such a long time and the elements and possibly even someone cleaning up/wiping traces, could have vanished.
What I find fascinating....... The guts it would take to move her body and risk being seen after people are aware somebody has gone missing. Though in this area missing people probably aren't exactly a rarity.
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