CA - Chelsea King (17) Rancho Bernardo (north San Diego County) #1

[eyes4crime]

Does anyone think John went to the Mexican restaurant for a reason? TIA

 

[TheMentalist]

TravelerBug,

A new poster to WS indicated he is a psychic and indicated an area of eucalyptus trees of medium height and a clearing where he felt a strong feeling that someone had buried something. Read post back for details. Do you know of any area like what he describes, and is the area if it exists in the park or around the lake in the general area of the searching being conducted today?

 

[cluciano63]

it is so beautiful in the photos...and now looks sinister...

 

[sarx]

eyes4crime, I think he was watching, many criminals return to watch the progress unfold.

 

[sarx]

I was wondering the same thing about the eucalyptus.

 

[Curious Me]

HERE IS ONE THING WE ALL CAN DO THAT I WANT TO GET OUT THERE. PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY BY BEING AWARE OF WHO IS LIVING IN YOUR AREA.

You just need the zip codes to find out how many Sex Offenders are living in your zip code, and you can see their photos if you press on a name. Some of these sites map it out by street, and have a picture of the RSO on your street.

Please if you have children you really need to do this.



National Sex Offenders:
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/Conditions...ookieSupport=1
Advanced Search by Zip Code



Also:
http://www.arjis.org/


http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
Type in State then the zip code you want to check out

 

[cloudajo]

Cloudajo--I would highly recommend you turn this into LE, if they haven't already looked into it. Good find.

Thanks for the suggestion. I just sent the info to San Diego Crime Stoppers.

 

[LilysMom]

I live right in the area and hadn't heard anything about the December attack. IMO it was kept pretty quiet/didnt get enough coverage

None of us did. We were all surprised to hear about it after the fact.

I'm chalking that up to the attack being on someone from Colorado Springs and not from the area. We're all pretty tight knit and this would have been widespread (by word of mouth at the very least). I don't think TravelingBug had heard about it either.

 

[sarx]

That really is terrible that those living in the area didn't know, there should have been signs plastered all over the park after it happened!

 

[nursebeeme]

for all the work that the RSO registry and treatment needs (to include harsher sentences and more weight put to psychological exams) I think we can all, at least, be thankful that the registry was in place when this happened... or we would have clothing by a creek with DNA.. but no one to match it to.

*2 cents alert*
1) they system turned loose a known predator to do it again
2) the system banked his prints and dna when he was arrested initially and it tied back to Chelsea's case and an arrest has been made before we have even found Chelsea.

bottom line: triumphs (dna banking of RSOs) and tribulations (setting predators like him free) abound.

 

[TravelingBug]

Since I couldn't take any photos actually today or get anywhere near that direction, I went back to the south side of the lake.

Cops are consistently in a few places - in some places just keeping people out of trails, in some places just watching particular areas, and in some places closing off roads. I'll show some of that on my map when I get this done.

The south side is:
- the side where Chelsea's clothes were found
- where she went running
- where the first attack happened
- where his family lived and he seems likely to have accessed the back running trails
- where her car was
- and where the waterfalls and the Bernardo Bay portion that has been very heavily searched the last few days (where I have many pictures in [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4869760&postcount=722"]my earlier post[/ame])

In other words, while the arrest was on the north side and it seems they are searching for evidence and in case her body was placed there, ALL of the other key areas, and where the original crime seems to have occurred are on the south side.

It's between two key areas, which I will mark on the map and include in my next post, that the helicopter seems to do the most hovering between, which further seems to add to the idea that there are areas of split focus at the moment.

Heading past the park (still closed to the public at the signal heading toward the back area by trails and where her car was parked, etc., but the front park where the ballfields are and where the street access parking lots are seem to be open to the public) I drove down West Bernardo to try to photograph a few places.

This is looking north at what's called the Green Valley Bridge - that's 1-15 right there overhead - from this area right around the bridge to the east side here...



to the west side here (this is the back of the streets of Aguamiel and Alborada, etc.) is where the helicopter and steady search light were much of Friday evening and Friday night.



I'm guessing that was an area they initially thought she may have run the trails by the road there and then gone back into the park/lake area, but have now ruled out (but since I'd talked about them before I wanted to take photos!)

A few of these are out my car window - and while I was trying to go slowly enough along the side of the road to take them but not stop (LOL) - so sorry they're not super clear.

This is the helicopter as it's leaving from over the area near the Bernardo Bay area and about to fly back to near the north side again. I'll also indicate this chopper/gate on my map in the next post.



Not a great photo, but this was then as I was driving up Aguacate toward Alborada that the helicopter was high to loop back around and then go to the north side.



This is the gate many people were asking about. It's the gate at the end of Monticook that gives (obviously) fire/utility access to the backroads/trails here AND to the utility station.



There were a bunch of people and a cop looking down from the top of Smokesignal and Alborada - that's where my photos from yesterday of the search activity were taken from.

The trail access at Poblado - between Moonsong and Smokesignal - the area with the yellow $ on my map AND the area where the earlier attack occurred AND the area with very heavy LEO/SAR staging area presence yesterday was still has a round the clock LEO presence to keep people from entering - it's also the neighbhood access to the waterfall/bay area, and where JAG likely accessed it from.

This is essentially what the Poblado access looks like, minus the lack of cops (obviously this is from a media source since I couldn't take it with the activity there today):



This is one of the other access points that someone was inquiring about as far as how people could get to that utility station in the valley near the waterfall and the bays. Beside the Monticook point, here's another of the locked arm gate things off of Caranazza, it (the access road) then runs along behind the edge of the Legends neighborhood, basically parallel to High Mesa Court. From there, the access road goes a) to the end of the peninsula area seen [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4869984&postcount=740"]in my photos here[/ame] AND b) down toward the waterfalls/Bernardo Bay/utility station area.



I drove down Matinal to try and photo the canyon access there, where JAG likely could have used the trail - orange on my map - to get to the Poblado access point, but there was too much activity there.

I continued up Matinal and it was very obvious, just a bit up from the school (or a bit in to the neighborhood from the Matinal stoplight at West Bernardo), where JAG had been staying with family.

There are flare remanents at both sides of the home where it was blocked off last night.

One more post to come with my map and the pictures linked to it (AFTER the news now at the top of the hour) and I'll answer questions!

 

[TravelingBug]

TravelerBug,

A new poster to WS indicated he is a psychic and indicated an area of eucalyptus trees of medium height and a clearing where he felt a strong feeling that someone had buried something. Read post back for details. Do you know of any area like what he describes, and is the area if it exists in the park or around the lake in the general area of the searching being conducted today?

Just saw this real fast - I posted the other day that the predominant type of tree in the area is, in part, Eucalyptus.

Honestly, anyone who has read what I've written or looked at photos would probably see that pretty much - clearing included - characterizes the area ALL around the park, the lake, this part of town, etc.

So yes, I had seen that post earlier today, but honestly, that post gives zero specificity whatsoever as all that's said is true of basically all of this area. :angel:

 

[lurkeyloo]

IS their a water refinery or reservoir close?

 

[Starry Night]

for all the work that the RSO registry and treatment needs (to include harsher sentences and more weight put to psychological exams) I think we can all, at least, be thankful that the registry was in place when this happened... or we would have clothing by a creek with DNA.. but no one to match it to.

*2 cents alert*
1) they system turned loose a known predator to do it again
2) the system banked his prints and dna when he was arrested initially and it tied back to Chelsea's case and an arrest has been made before we have even found Chelsea.

bottom line: triumphs (dna banking of RSOs) and tribulations (setting predators like him free) abound.

Very positive post-progress is slow but steady Nurse! That is how crime-solving evolves. And we do have to remember that the Officers and Investigators on the street are limited to what the law allows. Very complex indeed.

 

[TravelingBug]

Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

KFMB has their chopper showing one of the two dive boats out in the lake area.

They showed the area where TWO dive team boats have been spending the day. That location is right in the little area I kept calling the "finger" area.

There's another marshy area the helicopter has been over, but I'm still trying to locate that to post it in my next map update coming shortly.

 

[TravelingBug]

KGTV (10) at 5:

Also showing the dive team so it's letting me see better - FBI is in the marshy area here.

Basically the finger of the lake is where the focus is and the marshy area right next to it.

The area at the edge of this photo here from yesterday is basically the area in focus.



It's the area where my photo of the Sheriff Astria helicopter earlier is hovering over, it's the area near the falls where there was a lot of searching, it's where the FBI is out over the marshy area, it's the area where TWO dive teams of 20+ divers (each, is what I think she said) were out - one's on shore at the moment - clearly this is where they believe something key happened.

This is the area that from the neighborhood JAG could have accessed from Poblado. (the Yellow $ on the map)

 

[jnTexas]

Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.
There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

KFMB has their chopper showing one of the two dive boats out in the lake area.

They showed the area where TWO dive team boats have been spending the day. That location is right in the little area I kept calling the "finger" area.

There's another marshy area the helicopter has been over, but I'm still trying to locate that to post it in my next map update coming shortly.

BBM that stuff was heard on the scanner earlier and posted in the scanner thread.

ETA: scanner thread scoped the news. hehe

 

[Billylee]

Women's medium gray hooded sweatshirt found in a ravine!!!! Officer wants to know if there is interest in this find, or should it be ignored?

I'm listening live on the Scanner: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Amber Dubois was wearing a black hoodie when she disappeared. Do you suppose it could be hers? Is this place his "dumping ground"? Yikes!

 

[TheMentalist]

Just saw this real fast - I posted the other day that the predominant type of tree in the area is, in part, Eucalyptus.

Honestly, anyone who has read what I've written or looked at photos would probably see that pretty much - clearing included - characterizes the area ALL around the park, the lake, this part of town, etc.

So yes, I had seen that post earlier today, but honestly, that post gives zero specificity whatsoever as all that's said is true of basically all of this area. :angel:[/QUOTE

Not knowing the area or the park structure I had no idea if the post was being specific or not but I did realize that if this person had something of a specific nature to contact WB instead of the authorities would not be a good way to get this information in front of the searchers or LE. But after reading another post regarding the company that couldnt contact Law Enforcement when they had photos and possible pertinent information to relay was a bit dissappointing. Im sure the LE and the FBI have some really good info that they are operating from but you never know if someone has something useful unless you are willing to allow people to be heard. Thanks for responding to my question.

 

[soyesterday]

Good for you! You are very strong and brave. Find comfort that you've undoubtedly saved others from the same fate. You'll be in my prayers for continued healing and peace.

Thank you so much