CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #3

[Seajay]

I was within 100 miles of Big Bear and my internet, Twitter and Facebook were all working properly at that time. Perhaps LE trusted that wouldn't give away sensitive information? :waitasec:

I'm 100 miles from Big Bear and I had internet, Facebook, and cell phone service. Nothing of mine got cut by the evil LE as they tried to cover up their nefarious deeds before they committed them. I don't Twitter since I'm not a twit so I don't know if that would have been cut off.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

The article I read in the Contra Costa Times said he was, but I couldn't find it online on their site. Was in today's newspaper.

Thank you. I assume at this point it is left up to the journalist to interpret what we have all heard for ourselves. From what I heard and have read of the scanner information the burners were put in a position of readiness, they confirmed visual of a fire in the cabin, they heard a single gunshot from inside the cabin.

Is there a link that contains the scanner information in it's entirety? Do we know how much time was between the "Steve" comment and the "seven burner" comment?

 

[Seajay]

I hear LE say there was a single gunshot inside the cabin. It was repeated by someone else, there was a single gunshot inside the cabin.

At that moment I knew what happened, I knew he put a bullet in himself and took the cowards way out. IMO, JMO.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

@ Seajay although i am in agreement of 90% of what you said ,You didn't post all of what was said by LE , (LE) meant "him" or " him in the Cabin" ,Could be a long debate,but to cut to the chase THEY STARTED THE FIRE 100%. http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/...e-burning-dorner-alive-to-silence-him-forever

If what you say is correct and LE started the fire it still wasn't the fire that killed Dorner. Dorner killed Dorner. Period.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I hear LE say there was a single gunshot inside the cabin. It was repeated by someone else, there was a single gunshot inside the cabin.

At that moment I knew what happened, I knew he put a bullet in himself and took the cowards way out. IMO, JMO.

Absolutely!!! And in my opinion, all of LE on that mountain that day knew the same to be true when they heard that lone gunshot.

 

[danzn16]

the more I think about the house to house search the more I don't know what to think about it

at the condo in question, they missed seeing a window screen w/ pry marks lying on the snow beneath the window where it belonged

what exactly was the objective if they can't enter residences where no one answers the door? did they think he would answer a knock/a doorbell? people who live in the same condo complex and live on the same block were interviewed and said no one knocked on the doors where people were home during the search

this is somewhat different but somewhat the same: I lived in an apartment bldg in SoCal w/ 12 units on each floor accessed by interior hallways. there was an explosion/fireball on the ground floor when a maintainence guy lit a cigarette while re-glazing a bathtub. the main floor was considered a loss but the two upper floors were OK. any damage on the upper floors resulted from the FD kicking in every door where someone didn't answer the door. there was no way to keep the doors closed after they were kicked so pets were running wild thru the bldg and residents had a heck of a time rounding up their frightened animals. before they roped off the bldg we were allowed in for 10 minutes w/ FD escorts to gather meds, documents, a suitcase

not saying that every unanswered door in BB should've been kicked but there should be some protocol in place to gain entry. otherewise, why not just stand in the street w/ a bullhorn and ask the suspect to show himself and then consider that bldg/residence clear if he doesn't respond? you'd get the same result as what the door to door "search" uncovered

Police have to have warrants to search homes. Fire dept in the case of a fire and attempting to evacuate people do not, but they aren't searching it like LE only getting living occupants out. Two very different things. You can't really circumvent the laws for Dorner

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I'm 100 miles from Big Bear and I had internet, Facebook, and cell phone service. Nothing of mine got cut by the evil LE as they tried to cover up their nefarious deeds before they committed them. I don't Twitter since I'm not a twit so I don't know if that would have been cut off.

:floorlaugh: Perhaps LE trusts you and I but not others on here?

 

[Herding Cats]

Police have to have warrants to search homes. Fire dept in the case of a fire and attempting to evacuate people do not, but they aren't searching it like LE only getting living occupants out. Two very different things. You can't really circumvent the laws for Dorner

I hate to say it, but California does have an "exigent circumstance" law that does allow LE to go into buildings follwing in pursuit of bad guys.

However, exigent circumstances may not have applied at this time, insomuch as they were not 'following' Dorner but rather searching for him. The difference is the period of time...following implies an immediacy in time, whereas searching means some distance in time.

Considering that it was several days' time between the burning truck and the time Dorner tried to get away, I don't think that exigent circumstances would apply.

Perhaps, if on the day they found the burning truck, they were able to trace footprints to a cabin, and they were within a few hours' time, it might have been lawful for them to go in...and I say "might" because all the cases I've read it is moments rather than minutes let alone hours where the exigent circumstances applies.

My opinion is that there was no exigent circumstances until it was known that Dorner was inside that cabin, days later and an officer's life later. And we know that LE decided to not go into the cabin, even though at the time they had all the protection they needed with exigent circumstances involved...but that's because they saw him go there, or were within moments aware of his presence.

Just some thoughts...

And also to add, I think LE did the best they could under some very unusual circumstances.

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[Voice4theSilent]

@ Voice ,i did take some time to think about your last post,Well I heard a gunshot.period. Location of gunshot ,unknown? Ok so you saw ,where this gunshot took place w/ your own eyes,so your a witness then? Or did you just hear the audio like everybody else did . I didn't 'see" the gunshot i just heard it . If i could "see"the actual location of the gunshot ,then i would,know where it came from.

This post is hard for me to follow but I will attempt a response (sorry if I am misunderstanding you.)

I have no reason to believe that LE is lying in their radio communication when they report a single gunshot coming from the cabin.

I also believe people who report that they were there and back up the above statement made in the radio communication.

I have not heard of anyone who was there disputing the single gun shot coming from the cabin.

I was not there on the mountain and did not "see" the location of the gunshot.

 

[Seajay]

Absolutely!!! And in my opinion, all of LE on that mountain that day knew the same to be true when they heard that lone gunshot.

Absolutely! It wasn't a big mystery.

 

[danzn16]

I have two LE officers in my family. They are married to one another. They have two little girls. One is 8 years old, one is 5 years old. They work in the greater San Diego area for CHP.

When Dorner was separated from the Navy, he was down there on Point Loma Naval base in San Diego. Had he been driving the I-5, I-805 or I-8 freeways and my family had been on duty that night, and he did so much as make an illegal lane change and one of them had pulled him over, they would have been killed. Murdered. Two little girls would have not had a parent, my sister would not have a daughter.

These are two wonderful people. People that love their country, their home, their family and their jobs. They are not crooked. They spent a lot of time going to the police academy, learning, and going through the physical paces they had to to become uniformed officers. They are funny and loving people.

They could have been killed for no other reason that a madman they didn't even know had a beef against anyone in a uniform like them. They risk their lives every day to make our highways safe for all of us.

My niece had a perp whose feet got loose in her car one time on the freeway going 70 mph, kicking her while he was handcuffed, trying to crash her in rush out traffic. He broke her ribs, dislocated her jaw and she was covered with bruises.

Another time she was in a police chase, lead vehicle. The perps had robbed a bank and were shooting at her, throwing tools and tools boxes out of the window to try to crash her and kill her.

Those are just two incidences in which she could have lost her life. She once told me that they have to treat each stop as if the driver just murdered their family and don't want to be taken alive, or are on their third strike and are going back to prison for good and are desperate. To do anything less can cost them their lives.

They both do this every day. Every single day. Why?? To provide a home for their children. It's their job. And they sure as hell don't deserve to be killed just because they wear a uniform. JMO, IMO, MOO

This deserves more than a thank you. LE can not afford to be anything but be on top of their game when a perp is sure to be deadly, it costs lives. They did everything right the day if Dorner's capture

 

[unbending intent]

@ Voice,"Doner killed dorner.period" that's just your take .unproven.period. if you can prove that with a link or article backed up by at least 3 sources i'd love to see it." just cause LE said it went that way" doesn't make it a FACT. STILL UNPROVEN.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Doesn't LE have the right to kill a fleeing felon if he is considered a threat to other people? Not saying they intentionally killed him, but it seems like they had the right to since they couldn't risk anything further as it became darker.

 

[shadowraiths]

While the ending to this tragedy does not particularly surprise me, I expected Dorner to go for suicide by cop, as opposed to self-inflicted suicide. Arguably, this ending was better, as suicide by cop takes a serious toll on the men and women in blue, who find themselves in a position where they have to shoot and kill someone. Moreover, imho, had he gone in the suicide by cop direction, I think there would have been far more casualties.

As to the person who suggested that, had LE searched the cabin he was hiding in, SBSO would not have lost anyone, I disagree. Again, imho, had they searched that cabin, they could have just as easily lost someone, purely as a result of the element of surprise (i.e., they did not know he was hiding there).

Anyway, just my :twocents:

 

[unbending intent]

@ Voice ,i never said "Lying" ,about where the gunshot.i meant it could have come from a different location.perhaps ,the sounds from the fire gave it that impression. My point is the LOCATION of that gunshot is unproven to have come from that cabin :from Dorner. Like i said if you can Prove it came form the cabin it just hear-say.Yet ,if you ,were in that cabin and saw Dorner actually take that shot , your a witness to the Fact,you don't know anything that can be proven as FACT. https://archive.org/details/DornerStandoff2

 

[fran]

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[fran]

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