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Has anyone seen the last Menendez brothers movie from Lifetime? What was your opinion of it? It was interesting to see it more from Lyle and Erik's point of view and the performances were good, but Lifetime seems to have a very cheap budget. Also, since I don't have cable I watched it on youtube, where the audio has been manipulated (for copyright purposes) so all the actors sounded like they were on helium!
 
I did view the latest and newest movie on Lifetime the evening it premiered although, in so doing, I did not anticipate providing a critique. My disclaimer is that I do not tolerate CL all that well. It is my own fault that I hold her directly responsible for K. Cobain's suicide shot gun death. I don't like it when people get away with murder. With that in mind as my bias, a nudge was required to watch it but compassion for the boys, and they were boys when I met them, encouraged me.

The character who played Jose, Bonito Martinez, was fantastic! Cruel, cold and conniving just as we know he was in real life. He made the show worth watching. The plot fastened to the mistreatment by their abusive parents clearly demonstrating the crazy making behavior of the brothers.

It is sad to know the best years of a person's life are those years not meant to be experienced behind bars. No traditional marriages. No children. No grandchildren. I have a theory. The Jose Menendez seed needed to be stopped from spreading.

Chess is a slow game. Can you imagine playing it via snail mail?
 
DeDee said:
I did view the latest and newest movie on Lifetime the evening it premiered although, in so doing, I did not anticipate providing a critique. My disclaimer is that I do not tolerate CL all that well. It is my own fault that I hold her directly responsible for K. Cobain's suicide shot gun death. I don't like it when people get away with murder. With that in mind as my bias, a nudge was required to watch it but compassion for the boys, and they were boys when I met them, encouraged me.

The character who played Jose, Bonito Martinez, was fantastic! Cruel, cold and conniving just as we know he was in real life. He made the show worth watching. The plot fastened to the mistreatment by their abusive parents clearly demonstrating the crazy making behavior of the brothers.

It is sad to know the best years of a person's life are those years not meant to be experienced behind bars. No traditional marriages. No children. No grandchildren. I have a theory. The Jose Menendez seed needed to be stopped from spreading.

Chess is a slow game. Can you imagine playing it via snail mail?
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I'm not crazy about Courtney Love either, but she did an okay acting job. The actor who played Jose was very believable (I have to say that Edward James Olmos was terrifying as Jose in "Menendez: A Killing In Beverly Hills" in 1994) and yes, it does show how a person's upbringing can have a huge impact on how it shapes their behavior and psyche.

Yes, it would be very slow playing chess via mail, but of course, that's the only way they can communicate with each other.
 
Noirdame79 said:
I'm not crazy about Courtney Love either, but she did an okay acting job. The actor who played Jose was very believable (I have to say that Edward James Olmos was terrifying as Jose in "Menendez: A Killing In Beverly Hills" in 1994) and yes, it does show how a person's upbringing can have a huge impact on how it shapes their behavior and psyche.

Yes, it would be very slow playing chess via mail, but of course, that's the only way they can communicate with each other.
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I'm watching it now, Benito Martinez is excellent in the role of Jose. Cold and cruel, if he was really that way in real life, and if events were as depicted, how horrific. I shudder to think of those boys growing up with him as a father. And, if so, it's not hard to understand how they did what they did. Not to mention their pathetic excuse for a mother. It's really heartbreaking. And a little difficult to watch especially knowing the horror they went through their entire lives, then ending up spending the rest in prison. It doesn't seem right. Whatever happened to justice?

As difficult as it is to watch, at least having recorded it on DVD I can fast forward through the 5 minute long Marie Osmond Nutrisystem commercials. Gawd, I'm sick of that... person. :sick:
 
One of the trailers for the Law & Order series focusing on the Menendez brothers. From what I have read, it will be from the point of view of the defense, an interesting and refreshing change in my opinion. Dick Wolf, the series' creator, has stated that he doesn't believe that Lyle and Erik Menendez should have been convicted of first-degree murder.

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Another trailer:

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After reading this, I don't see how anyone can sing the praises of the late Dominick Dunne (at least on a professional basis) or believe that he was an "expert" on this case:

"SHE SAYS HE DUNNE HER WRONG"

- NY Post - May 14, 2004 - Vanity Fair Editor-in-Chief Graydon Carter has a new headache.


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SHE SAYS HE DUNNE HER WRONG
 
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"Given all the people who are wrongly accused and wrongly convicted, it is a shame to squander so much money, airtime and talent on such lies." - Shelley Ross is a veteran television producer best known for her 17 years at ABC News, where she won three Emmys, a Peabody, and other honors.

The 7 Biggest Mistakes in &#8216;Law & Order True Crime: The Menendez Murders&#8217;

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/law-order-true-crime-menendez-murders-biggest-lies-1202615500/

"No one in the miniseries mentions that Dr. Vicary doesn&#8217;t date or number his notes. So we don&#8217;t get to see that Erik only begins to reveal his father&#8217;s sexual abuse after the California Supreme Court rules their confessions will be evidence in the trial. And that&#8217;s about the time Abramson tells the family members footing the legal bills that Lyle and Erik are the killers."

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As posted before, there was no recording that could have been used against Lyle Menendez in the second trial. Yet it is continually repeated as if it was fact. When the late David Conn talked about the recording as evidence in Dominick Dunne's program, Power, Privilge, And Justice, he was lying and was likely paid to do so, as it was Dunne who orchestrated that lie in the first place. He paid Martha Shelton, who had struck up a friendship with Lyle in prison, to state that Lyle had damaged his credibility. Shelton claimed to have a recording of Lyle stating, "We snowed the jury" and "We fooled half of the country, now we just have to fool the other half". Shelton did appear in some of Dunne's articles on the case for Vanity Fair but never produced the recording. The police searched Shelton's house and came back empty. In an article in The New York Post in 2004 she admitted that it was all a lie, and that Dunne put her up to it.

https://nypost.com/2004/05/14/she-says-he-dunne-her-wrong/

Another misconception: a will is not valid unless it is signed. Such a big deal is made about the draft of a will on the computer, but even it if had been retrieved, it would not have been legally binding.

The grand jury refused to hand down an indictment stating that the killings were for financial gain because there was no evidence to warrant it.

The Menendez brothers could not have gotten the idea of sexual abuse from the book, When A Child Kills by Paul Mones because they told their aunt and uncle, Terry and Carlos Baralt, about the sexual abuse in September 1990 when they were incarcerated in the LA County Jail. When A Child Kills was not published until 1991.
 
Noirdame79 said:
There was no evidence that the brothers “pre-set” an alibi, nor did they “kneecap” their parents – even a cursory examination of the crime scene photos (available on line) shows no gunshot wounds to Jose Menendez’s knees.

There was some good information there. But there are several photos and a least one crime scene video clearly showing a gunshot wound to Jose's knee.
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I wasn't sure about the sexual abuse but now I believe it did happen. I've never doubted the physical and mental abuse at the hands of Jose plus the lack of support and love from their alcholic Mother. But there is no excuse to premeditatedly gun down your parents! That came from a place of revenge and fear of being financially cut off in the present and future.
 
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