CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

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I am not convinced that because his parents were standing up they thought they were in immediate danger. sorry. I have said before, even if it is true that they were abused, and that is awful, were they in immediate danger- I believe they testified they thought they were but later learned that was not true and admitted they were not in immediate danger at the time they murdered their parents.
IMO, when children have been abused for years, they may feel in danger ALL of the time because abusive parents or an abusive caregiver can become aggressive in a split second and you have to be ready to react. Below is a description of C-PTSD, which many many individuals who've been abused over long periods of time are diagnosed with. This is a relatively new diagnosis, but not a new issue.

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IMO, when children have been abused for years, they may feel in danger ALL of the time because abusive parents or an abusive caregiver can become aggressive in a split second and you have to be ready to react. Below is a description of C-PTSD, which many many individuals who've been abused over long periods of time are diagnosed with. This is a relatively new diagnosis, but not a new issue.

Complex PTSD
Excellent point and I agree 100%.
 
The Menendez brothers and their attorney will be in court soon for a hearing regarding the habeas corpus. We'll see what happens from there. Reports of the case being re-opened or that the brothers will be released soon are premature and we're still playing the wait-and-see game. Roy Rosello, the former Menudo member who accused Jose Menendez of SA, has signed a court declaration under penalty of perjury, which to me, is further confirmation of his honesty.
 
In the second trial, Judge Stanley Weisberg (who had also presided over the previous Menendez trial) not only barred television coverage, he also put severe limits on what evidence and testimony the defense could use. At the time, both the judge and the District Attorney's Office were under a tremendous amount of pressure to get a conviction, not only because the first trial had ended in hung juries but also due in large part to the OJ Simpson acquittal. Prosecutor David Conn also fought to keep the testimony and evidence from the defense from the first trial out. This included photos of the brothers taken when they were children, in which they were naked and the emphasis was on the lower parts of their bodies. He ultimately won, and the only testimony allowed by the defense until the penalty phase was that of the brothers themselves. They had no family members, friends or experts (on child sexual abuse and medical evidence), as they had had in the first trial, to corroborate their claims. The only other defense witnesses who testified were not permitted to do so until after the brothers had been convicted. The brothers, despite the terrible crime they committed, were still legally entitled to a defense, and the judge and prosecution made sure that they didn't have one. Ironically, it is for this very reason that the brothers can now appeal their case once again. At the time, it was argued that "the battered woman syndrome" could not be used for them because they are male, which is ridiculous because males can be and often are abused. Jose Menendez was 44 years old at the time of his death, and in very good physical shape, so it's not hard to believe that he posed a threat, and he was also a very prominent, powerful individual; and no matter what the parent is always seen has having more credibility in abuse situations, even when the abused children grow up. I speak from personal experience, because by the time I was able to talk about the abuse I suffered as a child, I was accused of lying, told that there was something wrong with me and that I was crazy. Kitty Menendez, while in some ways a victim in her own right, was not an innocent bystander. No matter how bad things got, and how unhappy she and her sons became, she refused to leave the marriage; she always chose to stay with Jose. She essentially chose her husband over her children, and she failed to protect them. The argument that the brothers were adults who could have left is a valid one, but you have to remember that neither Lyle nor Erik had the skills necessary to survive in the real world, because their parents did not allow them to live normal lives. In many ways, psychologically and emotionally, they were still children.

Most of the brothers' family members rallied to their defense, testified for them in the first trial and remain supportive of them. While they agree that nothing excuses what Lyle and Erik did, they also know that the brothers were not given the unconditional love, nurturing and guidance that they needed.

It has been confirmed by family members (and by Erik Menendez himself in a taped interview with journalist Robert Rand in October 1989) that Jose showered with his sons, even when they were old enough to do so themselves. This is not normal. Neither is the fact that when the family lived in Calabasas, Jose drilled a hole in the ceiling of Erik's bedroom in order to spy on him. In the first trial, it was ironically, the prosecution who wanted to present this evidence (which Judge Weisberg would not allow), claiming that the reason that Jose did this was because he was "concerned about his son's sexuality". In a blatant attempt to present their own agenda, they overlooked the fact that this behavior on Jose's part was not only highly inappropriate, but actually exposed a disturbing character trait. (The prosecution in both trials was always trying to prove that Erik was gay or bisexual, and that was the real reason that he knew about sex between males, and Jose, who was known to be homophobic, was upset about this. Erik did admit to being confused about his sexuality, and if his father was molesting him, that could account for why. Also, many fathers who sexually abuse their sons are homophobic). Spying on someone in an area that is supposed to be private, such as a bedroom and/or a bathroom, is actually a form of sexual abuse. When Jose Menendez did this, he was committing what is called "psychological incest". Again, this is not normal behavior; parents who are loving, respectful and genuinely concerned about their children do not drill holes in walls or ceilings in their children's bedrooms and spy on them. If this scenario had involved a father spying on a daughter in the same manner, no matter what the reasoning, I highly doubt the prosecution would have tried to present it as evidence; not only would it have been an outrage, but it would have been a benefit to the defense.

As for the possibility of a third trial, time will tell.
Well said. I'm hoping for a third trial, and for acquittals or time served.
 
I doubt there is ever going to be a third trial. If the brothers’ convictions are vacated, there will probably be a plea bargain that will set them free.
Yeah, I doubt there will be another trial. Some witnesses are now deceased, and some are in poor health. Time served, plea bargain, vacated etc seems more likely if the DA decides to proceed.
 
*After the verdict comes in, at the last minute, Erik Menendez and his brother, Lyle, are sent to separate prisons. Erik marries and begins to mount an appeal. Will his case be given another chance? Find out in Season 1, Episode 5, "Final Verdict."
 
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Lyle and Erik playing tennis

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Kitty and her sister, Joan Vandermolen. Joan is now in her 90s and she stated earlier this year in the Peacock documentary that she wants Lyle and Erik to be free before she passes away. She loved her sister dearly but realized that she didn't know her as well as she thought.Screenshot (3308).png

Jose and Kitty. Diane Vandermolen, Kitty's niece, stated in the docuseries, Erik Tells All (2017) that in all the time she spent with the family, she never saw Jose and Kitty be physically affectionate toward each other (hug, kiss, etc), but they would pose for photos.

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Erik with his cousin Diane and aunt Joan. This visit took place approximately a year before Lyle and Erik were reunited (Lyle was transferred to the Donovan Correctional Facility, where Erik was incarcerated).

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An undated photo of Kitty Menendez and Diana Ross

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This photo of Erik was taken in Kalamazoo, Michigan, in August of 1989

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Roy Rosello

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Jose Menendez (far left) poses with members of the boy band Menudo (Ricky Martin is standing in front, Roy Rosello is at far right) and the group manager/owner, Edgardo Diaz. Rosello stated that this photo was taken after Jose had assaulted him.

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Outside the courtroom during the first trial, reporter Robert Rand posed with Lyle's attorney Jill Lansing, and Erik's attorney, Leslie Abramson

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The first trial defense team - Jill Lansing, Leslie Abramson, Michael Burt, and Marcia Morrissey

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Court TV Reporter Terry Moran is supportive of the Menendez brothers and wants them to be free.

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Erik and his cousin, Kathleen (Vandermolen) Simonton, 1976. That summer, 15-year-old Kathy had her first (and only) visit to the Menendez house in Monsey, New York. Her 17-year-old sister Diane accompanied her and the girls shared a room in the basement. Although the sisters both noticed tension in the household and were told not to go down the hallway when Jose took the boys to their room and locked the door, they each had a very different experience. Diane was treated well and would testify that Kitty was a mentor to her, but Kathy, by contrast, was treated badly and was so unhappy that she went home early, and never visited again. It was shortly after Kathy left that Lyle, who was then 8 years old, went to Diane and asked to sleep in the other bed in the basement and told her that he and his father had been touching each other "down there". Diane immediately told Kitty, who told her that she was wrong, and that was the end of the discussion. In the summers of 1978 and 1979, Diane stayed briefly with the family, and she noticed each time that the dynamic in the family became more and more tense. She stayed with the family from July of 1982 to June of 1983, when they were living in the house in Pennington, New Jersey. Jose and Kitty took advantage of Diane's presence by cutting their housekeeper's hours had Diane do most of the housework and all of the yardwork, and had her drive the boys to tennis. At this time, Diane also had a part-time job and was attending college. While the situation was difficult, it made Diane even more determined to reach her goal of finishing school and buying a car so she could move out, which she did as soon as she was able. (She also noted that when Jose was away on business trips, Lyle and Erik would argue over which one of them would get to sleep with Kitty).

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Erik and his aunt (and godmother) Marta Cano (Jose's sister)

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Lyle with his aunts, Terry (his godmother) and Marta

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Erik and his cousin, Andy Cano (Marta's son) who died of a drug overdose in 2003

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