It's so upsetting to think they had a case that strong even before they found her, although it's probably good news when it comes to getting justice for her. "No body no case" - boy were you wrong CL, NL, and whoever else thought the same, thank goodness. And then to top it off they found her body. I really, really hope he ends up in prison forever.
GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #13
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We are very thankful that they persevered until they found Erin. The conditions they were working in with mostly volunteers searching for her, it would have been very easy to throw in the towel.
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The problem with all of the so called evidence in this case, is there's nothing they found that they couldn't expect to find anyway, no matter who had killed her.
They found homemade weaponry in the car of a US Marine Corps soldier, who also likes to go hunting in remote areas of desert and forest? Uh-oh, better call the L.A. Times.
Marines are repetitively instilled with combat training from field manuals showing the use of rope and poles in armed combat, techniques which are virtually etched on their brains, and it's supposed to be surprising that a marine has rope and rebar in his vehicle?
The guy runs around telling anyone and everyone that he wants to shoot a propane tank to see if it explodes, and were supposed to think a different killer wouldn't jump at the chance to use that as a frame-up opportunity??
We're told, on the one hand, that this guy is so incredibly arrogant that he thinks her body will never be found. But on the other hand he's so cautious and worried that they'll find her that he'll even forgo his absolute favorite method of killing (shooting), just so they can't link it to him if they do??
This guy treats his 1997 Jeep like it's his long lost son, and we're supposed to think he risked tearing it up in the roughest of terrains when he had easy access to other means of transportation?
The evidence so far only suggests that Erin was killed by a marine who hated her guts so much that he wanted to watch up close as she died in his arms. What I'm saying is, why is everyone so sure it's this marine that did it?
They found homemade weaponry in the car of a US Marine Corps soldier, who also likes to go hunting in remote areas of desert and forest? Uh-oh, better call the L.A. Times.
Marines are repetitively instilled with combat training from field manuals showing the use of rope and poles in armed combat, techniques which are virtually etched on their brains, and it's supposed to be surprising that a marine has rope and rebar in his vehicle?
The guy runs around telling anyone and everyone that he wants to shoot a propane tank to see if it explodes, and were supposed to think a different killer wouldn't jump at the chance to use that as a frame-up opportunity??
We're told, on the one hand, that this guy is so incredibly arrogant that he thinks her body will never be found. But on the other hand he's so cautious and worried that they'll find her that he'll even forgo his absolute favorite method of killing (shooting), just so they can't link it to him if they do??
This guy treats his 1997 Jeep like it's his long lost son, and we're supposed to think he risked tearing it up in the roughest of terrains when he had easy access to other means of transportation?
The evidence so far only suggests that Erin was killed by a marine who hated her guts so much that he wanted to watch up close as she died in his arms. What I'm saying is, why is everyone so sure it's this marine that did it?
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Great points 77, playing the devils advocate and asking tough questions may not be popular but I agree these questions need to be answered.
Do you have a theory that involves CL innocence?
Do you have a theory that involves CL innocence?
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Why would he lie and say he didn't know Erin? Why did he lie about the last time he had seen her? I could go on and on because there are, in my opinion, so many other things that point to his guilt. I have NEVER been more sure about a persons guilt than I am about Christopher Brandon Lee and his guilt.
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Because it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer...or many that have knowledge of a teeny smidgen of the evidence against him?
The theories presented are in isolation ...imho are examples of SMH ... poor focus group and major fail for a defense attorney to fly in court and to me, are laughable.
Elevate to second level ..and put together the puzzle . Above has left out 90% of the pieces imho
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I should clarify my comment. They are tough questions that a defense attorney may present. I believe there is evidence of his guilt to answer these questions. I do think it's got to be looked at in every way and every possible angle to avoid anything other than a guilty verdict.
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Marines are taught basic offensive/ defensive skills, hand to hand, whatever, but then they go to specialized areas according to their skills. I haven't read what exactly CL's "skill" was. My ex's was explosives, and later sharp shooting (sniper), his cousins had a myriad of skills, bush, frontal assault, extraction, etc. It's kind of strange because most Marines that have been in the s**t tend to be pretty humble about their experiences, really don't want to talk about it, and distance themselves from anything relating to the experience. My experience is the one's that talk the most are the one's that participated the least.
Did CL actually engage in combat or was he just a desk jockey?
Marines are taught basic offensive/ defensive skills, hand to hand, whatever, but then they go to specialized areas according to their skills. I haven't read what exactly CL's "skill" was. My ex's was explosives, and later sharp shooting (sniper), his cousins had a myriad of skills, bush, frontal assault, extraction, etc. It's kind of strange because most Marines that have been in the s**t tend to be pretty humble about their experiences, really don't want to talk about it, and distance themselves from anything relating to the experience. My experience is the one's that talk the most are the one's that participated the least.
Did CL actually engage in combat or was he just a desk jockey?
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My first ex and his cousins, along with my current BF's brother were Marines.
Several hunted, never messed with home made weaponry, and usually carried a military issued K-bar. None of them ever carried a home made garrote or a potato gun <---- potato gun? That's what juveniles play with.
A. Any weapon in their house or vehicle of the same kind they use for training is investigatively useless, because their work as a marine would naturally entail the possession of these weapons.
B. It's a KA-BAR not a K-bar, and if you weren't around them enough to get the name right, maybe you don't know enough of the things they got up to during their off-time to make sweeping declarations about marines in general.
C. You're proving my point! Someone so juvenile and impulsive is not going to suddenly morph into a strategic and calculating one capable of luring
someone like Erin to a remote and treacherous location (a different place than where she thought she was going that day) while pregnant, in some of the hottest weather this planet has to offer.
D. Why do you think army surplus is a multi-billion dollar industry? Because Marines DON'T like to have weapons???
He had a 4 x 4, a rope *may* be understandable, for field dressing an animal, but tow chains are more effective if you're talking about getting unstuck. Rebar has no place in a 4 x 4, it's actually presents more of a danger when the vehicle is jostling over rocks or rough terrain.
I have rope in my car; Why wouldn't he? By your answer, I'm not quite sure you understand just how heavy rebar really is.
Maybe an incredibly stupid Marine.
And your ideal POI in this case is what?... A Mensa member?
​The ME couldn't ascertain whether she had been shot or not due to decomp. And between the garrote found around her neck and the one found in is Jeep in Alaska, his favorite method of killing may be debatable.
BBM Circular logic. You're using your belief that he killed her to indirectly prove that he killed her. Unless it's proven he's responsible for the garrote around her neck you can't call it a pattern on his part, when you're using that pattern to try and link him to the crime.
His FB page had quite a few pics of him and his Jeep, and his buddies at various 4 x 4 areas, definitely hard core 4 x 4 enthusiast areas. Pics off his friend's cell phone placed them both in the general area of the mine before the murder. Didn't have a problem with his Jeep then.
Um, this wasn't just regular off-road terrain. Even experienced cave-divers in full gear found it particularly difficult to reach the area where the mineshaft was.
Because Erin texted her friend that she had plans that day with him, the tire tracks at the site of her abandoned vehicle matched his Jeep tread, he denied knowing her, told another friend the relationship was just a temporary thing, he whereabouts where unaccounted for during the time of the murder, Erin assumed he was the father of her unborn child......just off the top of my head. As far as hating her guts or just wanting her eliminated, there was not other POI that came close.
People are not murdered in a vacuum, there are always encounters with non-perpetrators throughout a victim's day. And if someone lies and deceives, and betrays those closest to them, they are far more likely to encounter various people who lie and deceive and betray those closest to them. It doesn't prove any of them to be the killer. Specific evidence that ties both victim and perpetrator to the elements of the crime is what's needed. All they have so far is a lot of innuendo's and rumor, uncorroborated statements of biased observers, and an M.O. that doesn't fit their prime suspect's behavior, or circumstance.
BTW There is another POI who's behavior, circumstance, opportunity, means, and especially MOTIVE fits the crime to a tee. Someone who's controlling nature even fits the strategic execution of the necessary steps in this murder. Who's actions or rather lack thereof after the fact are conspicuous to say the least.
Several hunted, never messed with home made weaponry, and usually carried a military issued K-bar. None of them ever carried a home made garrote or a potato gun <---- potato gun? That's what juveniles play with.
A. Any weapon in their house or vehicle of the same kind they use for training is investigatively useless, because their work as a marine would naturally entail the possession of these weapons.
B. It's a KA-BAR not a K-bar, and if you weren't around them enough to get the name right, maybe you don't know enough of the things they got up to during their off-time to make sweeping declarations about marines in general.
C. You're proving my point! Someone so juvenile and impulsive is not going to suddenly morph into a strategic and calculating one capable of luring
someone like Erin to a remote and treacherous location (a different place than where she thought she was going that day) while pregnant, in some of the hottest weather this planet has to offer.
D. Why do you think army surplus is a multi-billion dollar industry? Because Marines DON'T like to have weapons???
He had a 4 x 4, a rope *may* be understandable, for field dressing an animal, but tow chains are more effective if you're talking about getting unstuck. Rebar has no place in a 4 x 4, it's actually presents more of a danger when the vehicle is jostling over rocks or rough terrain.
I have rope in my car; Why wouldn't he? By your answer, I'm not quite sure you understand just how heavy rebar really is.
Maybe an incredibly stupid Marine.
And your ideal POI in this case is what?... A Mensa member?
​The ME couldn't ascertain whether she had been shot or not due to decomp. And between the garrote found around her neck and the one found in is Jeep in Alaska, his favorite method of killing may be debatable.
BBM Circular logic. You're using your belief that he killed her to indirectly prove that he killed her. Unless it's proven he's responsible for the garrote around her neck you can't call it a pattern on his part, when you're using that pattern to try and link him to the crime.
His FB page had quite a few pics of him and his Jeep, and his buddies at various 4 x 4 areas, definitely hard core 4 x 4 enthusiast areas. Pics off his friend's cell phone placed them both in the general area of the mine before the murder. Didn't have a problem with his Jeep then.
Um, this wasn't just regular off-road terrain. Even experienced cave-divers in full gear found it particularly difficult to reach the area where the mineshaft was.
Because Erin texted her friend that she had plans that day with him, the tire tracks at the site of her abandoned vehicle matched his Jeep tread, he denied knowing her, told another friend the relationship was just a temporary thing, he whereabouts where unaccounted for during the time of the murder, Erin assumed he was the father of her unborn child......just off the top of my head. As far as hating her guts or just wanting her eliminated, there was not other POI that came close.
People are not murdered in a vacuum, there are always encounters with non-perpetrators throughout a victim's day. And if someone lies and deceives, and betrays those closest to them, they are far more likely to encounter various people who lie and deceive and betray those closest to them. It doesn't prove any of them to be the killer. Specific evidence that ties both victim and perpetrator to the elements of the crime is what's needed. All they have so far is a lot of innuendo's and rumor, uncorroborated statements of biased observers, and an M.O. that doesn't fit their prime suspect's behavior, or circumstance.
BTW There is another POI who's behavior, circumstance, opportunity, means, and especially MOTIVE fits the crime to a tee. Someone who's controlling nature even fits the strategic execution of the necessary steps in this murder. Who's actions or rather lack thereof after the fact are conspicuous to say the least.
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Snipped for space. Excuse my typo on the knife, you want a pic of the one hanging here in my office? I already put in a 4 hour day before I posted that, sans coffee.
blah, blah, I know how heavy rebar CAN be it depends on the length and diameter, blah, blah, did you miss "hard core 4 x 4 enthusiast" blah, blah..........et al and etc.
Seriously, play devil's advocate all you want, but that doesn't entitle you to shoot the messenger or anyone responding to your post.
Maybe I should have been more specific, "Operation Buffalo", "Walking Dead" <---NOT the series.
And we can't talk about any other POI because LE hasn't said there is one at this time.
Mensa member? :facepalm:
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I have to admit I did not follow that case.Now that there has been a verdict I have caught some of it on the news.One thing that struck me on the text messages. The judge in that case disallowed a text message from the victim to his sister about who he was with the night he was murdered.My thinking is that is somewhat (not exactly) the same as EC text messaging her friend about who she was going to be with the day she was murdered.I am wondering if you or someone else knows the exact reason the judge disallowed this particular text.
CL was a "grunt". He was with an infantry battalion: 2/7. Basically, if you don't have the score from your ASVAB to get a better MOS (job), then you are a grunt. Unfortunately I think he really fits the stereotype of dumb grunt.
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Erin's friend from Tennessee that she shared all those txts with, called Erin the morning of June 28th and spoke with Erin. Erin told her she was getting ready to leave and who she was meeting. I know this conversation will be allowed in the trial.
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I didn't know LE actually referred to her as a POI, I always thought she knew and said too much to NOT to be involved in some way, and a prime individual for CL to deflect on.
Do you know if she's cooperating, has an attorney, or just disappeared?
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I didn't realize that Chris Lee's wife was a person of interest until I read this. I thought that was rumor. Wow. Could she have done this all by herself? Or maybe as an accomplice?
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I could see her as an accomplice, or even the mastermind. Can't quote the exact comment she made, but something to the effect the CL "can't keep his lies straight"?
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I don't know the answers to your questions. Knowing the detectives on this case I am pretty sure she has not disappeared.
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Ok, kids, anyone with a twitter account, need your help!
A fantastic group of WS's are really tossing rocks and digging deep to ID a John Doe found in Nevada in 1992. Miss Muffet has started a Twitter for John Doe and needs:
1. Followers
2. ALL of her tweets "favorited" and re-tweeted.
If you have just a few minutes a day, PLEASE favorite and re-tweet! https://twitter.com/johnDoeNV1992
That thread has made some incredible progress and LE is on it following leads. Thanks!
WS's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...-Mar-92/page70
Ok, kids, anyone with a twitter account, need your help!
A fantastic group of WS's are really tossing rocks and digging deep to ID a John Doe found in Nevada in 1992. Miss Muffet has started a Twitter for John Doe and needs:
1. Followers
2. ALL of her tweets "favorited" and re-tweeted.
If you have just a few minutes a day, PLEASE favorite and re-tweet! https://twitter.com/johnDoeNV1992
That thread has made some incredible progress and LE is on it following leads. Thanks!
WS's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...-Mar-92/page70
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