CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

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I knew what you meant [emoji1476] For some reason they opened up to this neighbor yet the Dekalbs would have never known children were there. So I'd like to learn why he qualified for the pre-approved list.


MOO*

Eta: piano teacher was a neighbor when they were much younger?

Definitely don't think Dekalbs was on Jen's approval list... I'm thinking those poor kids were desperate, so isolated, in the middle of nowhere.

I remember reading they hadn't been back to the farm where they hung out. Farm owner last communicated with them in July/ Aug 2017. What if they hadn't been to any social gatherings since they moved to Woodland?

Six kids who can't go outside, no exploring, shades drawn, abused, hungry, and thoroughly desperate.

It seems like Devonte sought out his neighbor not only because he felt desperate but he might have wanted someone to talk to, as well...

If Jen found out that Devonte went to the neighbor, then she knew CPS could coorborate what the kids were going through. At the kids ages, they might not have been willing to be coached, either.
 
It's baffling. Jen and Sarah abused the kids on one hand and allowed things like piano lessons and amusement parks on the other. Maybe the two just didn't know how to discipline properly. Some parents believe in food deprivation and "spankings" as "good" forms of punishment. Especially, "old school" disciplinarians.

The Turpin survivors were taken to Disneyland and Vegas in order to look like a “normal” family. There is no doubt they were abused and tortured, regardless of whether the parents thought these were good forms of discipline. The fact that Jen and Sarah didn’t want exposure says clearly that they knew what they were doing was wrong.
JMO
 
My guess would be that he was of use to them. Teaching piano lessons fits in with their apparent love of music, and if any of the kids were the least bit talented it would be a way to get more attention.

Well they must have been present for these sessions watching him like a hawk because piano lessons allows for a lot of bonding and chatter... or they could have been trying to vicariously live this experience.


MOO*
 
Living vicariously through the kids is exactly what I thought. Something tells me that the Hart women liked amusement parks and music, so the kids 'got' (had) to participate and have fun with those things too.
 
Living vicariously through the kids is exactly what I thought. Something tells me that the Hart women liked amusement parks and music, so the kids 'got' (had) to participate and have fun with those things too.
Exactly. They did what they liked to do first and foremost.

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The Turpin survivors were taken to Disneyland and Vegas in order to look like a “normal” family. There is no doubt they were abused and tortured, regardless of whether the parents thought these were good forms of discipline. The fact that Jen and Sarah didn’t want exposure says clearly that they knew what they were doing was wrong.
JMO


I don't understand this type of parenting. Is it some type of "lock up my toys and pull them out when I am ready to play with them" type of parenting?
 
Exactly. They did what they liked to do first and foremost.

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And heaven forbid those kids would get to do normal kid things like play outside and in the snow, unless it was a photo op. Or make friends. Or raise the window shades. Or, or, or.....
 
Hmmmm:

Here is what I've figured, although my math skills are WAY below average, so I can't guarantee accuracy.

Of the six children, there would be a possible of 15 unique pairings: AD, AH, AJ, AM, AS, DH, DJ, DM, DS, HJ, HM, HS, JM, JS, MS. So, a random happening of any one pairing would have a 1/15th chance of happening, or 6.66%. Or, another way to look at this is, out of 100 random pairings of these combinations, the DH (Devonte/Hannah) pairing would happen a little over six times.

Considering that two things, that I can think of, make the DH combination unique (or that they differ from the others) would be that both Devonte and Hannah, in the past few months, had asked outsiders for help. Another would be that in various places here on WS, it's been mentioned that "Devonte was the golden child, Hannah the scapegoat". Devonte and Hannah both seem to be the focus of much discussion.

What this means, if anything, who knows. Just thought I'd post it.

Okay, sorry for what looks like a repeat post -I didn't realize someone had already done this!
 
Exactly. They did what they liked to do first and foremost.

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Yep like a parent with a narcissistic personality disorder. Whatever goes must benefit the parent at an equal or more level.


MOO*
 
I don't understand this type of parenting. Is it some type of "lock up my toys and pull them out when I am ready to play with them" type of parenting?

Or lock them up when they’re no longer fun to play with. Stick around WS long enough and you’ll realize that it’s impossible to understand why parents mistreat and/or kill their children...because our minds don’t work that way.

Here’s the case of a mother who treated her kids and foster kids fine until her son’s teenaged friend moved in and became her lover. All hell broke loose and two of the (related) foster kids ended up dead and stashed in a storage unit and one with serious injuries. Beyond comprehension.

Mother struck a LWOP deal to avoid the death penalty and boyfriend is currently on trial. Horrible testimony toward the end of the thread. We will never, ever understand. Ever.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-3-dead-9-yr-old-tortured-Redding-27-Nov-2015
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I think Devonte and Hannah stood next to each other in photos a lot. Not every time, but...often. Just something I've noticed.
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I think Devonte and Hannah stood next to each other in photos a lot. Not every time, but...often. Just something I've noticed.

I noticed in the iconic "Bernie Sanders" photo, the later-adopted siblings are all standing at the center -the first-adopted ones the the outside. I haven't had a chance to peruse other photos, but I will see what I can find.
 
I can't get past the coincidence of it being Devonte and Hannah who have not been found and those were the two who brought unwanted attention to this family. IMO, FWIW.
 
Ok I'm going for it...

I think one or both of these women had dad issues and/or detached moms. I think the Hart women were more open to White men embracing their children in a more public manner (white police officers and that singer) and shunned women who showed concern for their children. Black people didn't have a chance at getting close to these children so that was out of the question. I think about that mannequin incident and their preference for young children. I think that something happened in their transition from child to adolescent and on that they were holding onto. This aided them in their evil doings.

This is speculation, but my speculation hasn't been off yet so I'm sticking with it.


MOO*

I fully agree with you. Emotionally neither of these women transitioned normally from adolescence to adulthood, IMO.

Definitely father issues and mother problems. Neither woman had normal 'relationships' with either parent. MOO.

They acquired 6 lil black kids like other girls collect dolls. Dress 'em up and show 'em off. then put 'em back in the

box.
 
Look at who Jen has her hands on in that photo, too - just her favorites. IIRC in that photo Hannah and Devonte aren't next to each other, but both are tense with clenched fists.

Another observation, one that I'm nervous about sharing... I watched the birthday adventure video a few times, and I saw two interesting moments where Devonte grabbed Sarah in rather personal spots, and laughed. There's one near the middle where he gets her around the upper waist or lower torso, and once near the end where he slaps her bum. Both times she startles but seems to relax when she sees who it is. I wonder what Jen thought.
 
I noticed in the iconic "Bernie Sanders" photo, the later-adopted siblings are all standing at the center -the first-adopted ones the the outside. I haven't had a chance to peruse other photos, but I will see what I can find.
I've always had the sense that once the 2nd sibling set was adopted, the first set was sidelined and somewhat resented by these women.

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Reposting the timeline.

March 2004: Earliest known public record that shows Jennifer Hart and Sarah Gengler, both from South Dakota, residing in Alexandria, Minnesota.

Summer 2004: The Harts take in a foster child named Lee. Then they later abandoned her the next Spring after they dropped her off at a therapist’s appointment, never to see her again.

May 2005: Sarah Hart petitions to change her last name from Gengler to Hart.

September 2006: Jennifer and Sarah Hart adopt siblings Markis, Abigail and Hannah.

September 2008: According to a police report from Alexandria, Minnesota, Hannah, then 6, tells authorities that one of her mothers bruised her with a belt. Asked about the beating, Jennifer and Sarah Hart tell a police investigator and social worker the girl had fallen down the stairs.

February 2009: Jennifer and Sarah adopt Devonte and two of his siblings — bringing their number of children to six. An article from Paper Trail, a New Zealand-based news outlet, describes his adoption. The article said by age 4, the boy had been abused, neglected, shot at and had endured other traumas.

November 2010: Police in Alexandria, Minnesota interview Abigail Hart, 6 at the time, after a teacher discovers bruises stretching from her sternum to her navel. The girl says Jennifer Hart hit her with a closed fist, put her head in a cold bath, then hit her again, court records show. She was then grounded, the girl told police, which meant she had to stay in bed and miss lunch.

December 2010: Alexandria, MN home listed for sale.

April 2011: Sarah Hart pleads guilty to abusing Abigail Hart and is sentenced to a year of probation for misdemeanor domestic assault, court records show. Sarah told police she was the one who hit Abigail, even though the girl told authorities her mother Jennifer had done it. The next day, all six of the Hart children are taken out of public schools. They never attend public school again.

October 2011: The family lives in Alexandria, Minnesota, for a time and takes part in local activism. Hart family members including Devonte and Jennifer Hart participate in an Occupy Minneapolis demonstration.

2012: According to friends in Oregon, Sarah Hart travels to Portland to look for work. Jennifer Hart and their children later join her. Hannah loses front teeth after allegedly falling in house acceding to Jen's FB post.

August 2012: Alexandria MN house re-listed for sale.

October 2012: Sarah begins work at Kohls in Oregon (Sarah's LinkedIn resume).

December 2012: Jen and kids travel to Oregon, getting a ride with the Lees after rollover accident in Missoula According to Statesman Journal article.

April 2013- Alexandria, MN house sold. The family moves to West Linn, family friend Alexandra Argyropoulos tells Oregon child welfare officials that the Hart parents have been depriving their kids of food as punishment, she says. The Harts break off contact with her when they learn of it. Argyropoulos says she was told the Hart children had been interviewed by Oregon officials; it was apparent that each child had been coached by their mothers on what to say; and nothing more could be done by the Oregon Department of Human Services.

2013: Portland Portland musician of the band Nahko and Medicine for the People Ribner began offering music classes to the Hart children. The Hart children also started volunteering at the Good Neighbor Family Pantry

July 2013: The police department responds to a call to the Hart's house.

November 2014: Family members participate in a Portland protest of a Missouri grand jury declining to indict a Ferguson police officer in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown. Devonte and a Portland police officer hug, and the photo of the moment goes viral.

March 2016: Family members join U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont onstage during a presidential campaign rally in Vancouver.

May 2017: Jennifer and Sarah Hart buy a two-story, 3-bedroom home on 2 acres of land in the Woodland area of Clark County, Washington, property records show.

June 2017: Jen's rough year FB post.

March 23, 2018: The Washington State Department of Social and Health Services opens a Child Protective Services investigation in which the Hart children are "identified as potential victims of alleged abuse or neglect."

March 23, 2018: The Washington State Department of Social and Health Services attempts without success to make contact with the Hart family.

March 24, 2018 - 3:00 AM: Sarah Hart sends a middle-of-the-night text message to friend Cheryl Hart, only hours after child protective services first visited the family's home, saying she was so sick she might have to go to the hospital. The friend never made contact again.

March 24, 2018 - 8:14 AM: The family is in or around Newport, Oregon, police say. It's believed they continue south on Route 101 until they reach State Route 1 in Leggett, California.

March 24, 2018 - 8:00 PM The Harts travel south on State Route 1 until they reach the Fort Bragg area in Mendocino.

March 25, 2018 - 9:00 PM: The family leaves Fort Bragg.

March 26, 2018: The Washington State Department of Social and Health Services again unsuccessfully attempts to make contact with the Hart family. They call 911 and ask the Sheriff's Department to do a welfare check on the family.

March 26, 2018 - 1:15 PM: Cheryl Hart calls 911 and asked the Sheriff's Department to do a welfare check on Sarah Hart. "Nobody has been able to get ahold of her, talk to her or seen her since," she told the dispatcher.

March 26, 2018: A passer-by along Highway 1 in Westport, California, calls 911 after looking down a 100-foot embankment and seeing an SUV upside down on the rocky shoreline. Five people are found dead: three children outside the SUV and two women inside.

March 27, 2018: The Washington State Department of Social and Health Services makes a third unsuccessful attempt to contact the Hart family.

March 28, 2018: The women are identified by the Mendocino County's Sheriff's Office as Jennifer and Sarah Hart and their children as Markis, Jeremiah and Abigail. Three of their other children: Devonte, Hannah and Sierra, remain missing. Sheriff Tom Allman said a search is ongoing for the remaining three children.

March 29, 2018: Police continue to search for the three missing children, including Devonte, and to investigate why the SUV plunged off the California cliff. Authorities don't know if the kids were also in the car, but are basing their search on the assumption that they were thrown from the car into the cliffs or the surf.

March 31, 2018: Officials reveal the speedometer on the Harts' wrecked SUV was "pinned" at 90 mph.

April 2, 2018: Officials say the crash may have been intentional, saying data taken from the family's SUV shows the vehicle came to a complete stop at the Route 1 pullout before speeding off the cliff. The search for the missing children becomes a "recovery effort."

April 2, 2018: "I'm to the point where I'm no longer calling this an accident, I'm calling it a crime," Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman tells HLN's Ashleigh Banfield.

April 7, 2018: An unidentified body, believed to be that of a black female, is found in the ocean near the site of the crash. Officials said an identification could take weeks.
 
Reposting the timeline.

March 2004: Earliest known public record that shows Jennifer Hart and Sarah Gengler, both from South Dakota, residing in Alexandria, Minnesota.

(Snipped by me!)

April 7, 2018: An unidentified body, believed to be that of a black female, is found in the ocean near the site of the crash. Officials said an identification could take weeks.


This is excellent, but IMO is missing an important event/date.

September 1, 2009: Jen and Sarah Hart married in Connecticut.

I think it’s also significant that this gives them equal rights as parents and spousal privilege.
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I think Devonte and Hannah stood next to each other in photos a lot. Not every time, but...often. Just something I've noticed.

With most pics being staged, I don't think they often got chance to choose who they stood next to but maybe when they could choose, then maybe they chose it that way.

But, my fave photo of them all is this one. It's still full of props and the like but I feel they all look genuinely happy here, as though they're having a good day. Hannah particularly but Markis too, seem to be enjoying the moment.

What I sometimes notice with Hannah, is she doesn't always seem to conform in the photos, well not to the fullest anyway. I love that by the way, a bit of self determination and wisdom comes through in her pics.


https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/...press.com/2018/03/hart-family.jpg&w=1600&q=70

Tutting, sighing and shaking my head, these beautiful children.
 
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