CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[smr]

One very strong issue pointing to Chase's innocence is that he allowed, perhaps even insisted on his legal team investigating every bit of the evidence. They could just as easily have found more evidence against Chase, not the exculpatory evidence they found.

And if they had found evidence of guilt, they would have been required to turn that over. Under California law, discovery works both ways.

Why would a man allow a deeper investigation into the evidence, if he had anything to fear from that?

This speaks loudly to the innocence of Chase, for me.

Indeed, there was more than one occasion when Chase voluntarily came forward to be interviewed and answer questions. One was early on shortly after the disappearance. Aother was the one video-recorded and played yesterday in court, with Chase sitting by a table and two interviewers . I didn't watch every part so am not sure where it was. I had thought it was a jail interrogation, but when Maline cross examined one of the two officers, he (Maline) pointed it out that Chase had volunteered to go there and answer questions, and he went with his daughter. Something like that.

 

[missy1974]

I also think that because of the loose key in Joey's pocket that bears a striking resemblance to another on a key ring, and both appear to be padlock keys like the kind found on storage facilities.

Sorry geevee... you believe what? that he went to fire him that day? because of the key?

 

[missy1974]

Maybe he stopped at an ATM, checked his balance and it seemed off. He may have checked recent checks taken out of his account on the ATM as well.
So he called his bank and asked about that check on the way to lunch?

I don't think he would make a fraud report before asking Chase about it.

His first call to the bank, he was at home IIRC, or on his home tower. If he stopped to check at a bank, based on what I saw on Chase's records, I think the bank statements would have noted that "balance inquiry" or something like that.

But again, even if he got a bank balance, why would he check the QB's account that he NEVER wrote cheques out of?

We don't have to debate about him making a fraud report, we know he didn't based on the Fraud investigator's testimony.

 

[missy1974]

I didnt say they can look at anyone's records.

If you call the bank, give them your info, and ask what your balance in the checking account is, and you tell them they have your permission, they can check it for you. I don't think it is kept in permanent records that can be verified 8 years later. Maybe I am wrong.

I would be shocked if it is not kept in the records, it's a bank.

There was someone that posted about this awhile back.... I hope they will respond if they are still around reading! Maybe I will go and see if I can find it in the old threads.

I do have a good friend that worked at a bank, she is retired now, but anytime they logged into, looked at and did anything with a customers account, it is and was logged. With a financial institution, I don't know how long they would keep that, but not unreasonable to think that in 2014, they would still have record of something like that in 2010, especially because that account was flagged early on, they probably retained all info on that account.

 

[wary]

“I am pretty certain that they do surveillance on the poker tables. They check for card counting and other cheating methods”

You obviously have a very limited understanding of casino games and of gambling in general. It is true that video surveillance on the casino floor is extensive. As I had said this is to protect the casino’s money. Card counting is used in the game of blackjack, which is located on the casino floor, but is of limited benefit in a poker game.

Back in 2010 I played poker quite often at the San Manuel Casino’s poker room, perhaps even at the same table as CM, however, I have no recollection of him. When I say that the cell phone reception was jammed at that time I’m speaking from personal experience, you can choose to believe what I’m saying or considerate it a complete fabrication it really doesn’t matter as I was just attempting to give some insight to something very few of you here appear to know about. But as usual it ends up with someone wanting to argue about it.

Top 10 secrets casinos don’t want you to know

This is the link katydid gave, above. One significant quote: “Casinos are very well-covered with surveillance cameras,” says Derk. “Once someone arrives at our property, if we needed to put together their movements over their entire stay, we could easily do so. We would be able to track their movements on the property just about wherever they went — except for like the bathroom and into their hotel room.”

Then there’s this, which relates to poker: “7. One place the casino probably isn’t watching you too closely: the poker rooms.”

But, the serious issue is—could they tell if someone enters or leaves the poker rooms? The first quote above certainly implies that they could. The relative lack of monitoring means that they don’t have cameras that focus in on your poker hands. In this thread, we don’t care about that.

 

[missy1974]

Indeed, there was more than one occasion when Chase voluntarily came forward to be interviewed and answer questions. One was early on shortly after the disappearance. Aother was the one video-recorded and played yesterday in court, with Chase sitting by a table and two interviewers . I didn't watch every part so am not sure where it was. I had thought it was a jail interrogation, but when Maline cross examined one of the two officers, he (Maline) pointed it out that Chase had volunteered to go there and answer questions, and he went with his daughter. Something like that.

His daughter dropped him off IIRC.

Maline also said they plan on playing the whole 8 hour interrogation .... in his angry little elf Maline voice

 

[geevee]

Sorry geevee... you believe what? that he went to fire him that day? because of the key?

Yes, sorry, I think he intended to, or did fire him, and got the storage key back.

 

[missy1974]

Yes, sorry, I think he intended to, or did fire him, and got the storage key back.

Thanks, sorry, wasn't sure it that was what you were saying or not!

That storage thing is another thing that we still don't know *sigh* They never found record of a storage.

 

[Meemaw12]

CNN


2/4/2010 10:39 am that morning PM talked to JM.

1:17 I was definitely the last person to see him (JM).
5:04 Dan K talking about a spreadsheet of money CM got from JM.

8:35. PM talking about speaking to JM on 2/4.

8:40 Joseph had just received a big check for a fountain
On 2/4. $16,000.00. He was going to go to the bank on 2/4 and deposit the check. There was a bank branch in RC. Near where CM lived.

***Did he get a check? Did he go to the bank? Did CM know he got the check? What happened to the check on 2/4/2010? Keep listening. CM said they got together, they had a lot to talk about.

***CM told CNN everything was fine with JM, but he told PM they argued.

*** another video says CM called JM 16 times on 2/4 and JM called CM 11 times.

All in all pretty good video to watch.

IMO of course

 

[citygirl]

His daughter dropped him off IIRC.

Maline also said they plan on playing the whole 8 hour interrogation .... in his angry little elf Maline voice

 

[QueenBofOB]

I think that the fact he stayed gone for hours and days at a time while gambling and spending all the money is a form of abuse. imo.

Exactly. It is even referred to as "financial abuse," in D.V. I imagine it was a pretty difficult existence, with evictions, bankruptcies, judgements, bill collectors, closed bank accts., etc. All the while, CM was gambling something like $20-30,000 a yr.!! He could've paid the mortgages on at least TWO homes, for that kind of money.

 

[Texas Red]

Ok... if I can make a suggestion, and not just to you, but to anyone that thinks they "know" what those pings mean and what it meant when his phone was not showing tower information, please go and listen to Boles testimony. Listen to both direct and cross, but pay attention to the cross. McGee spent approximately 15 minutes going through calls that went to VM on Merritt's phone that DID NOT show tower information. Some had calls right before or after, so no indication that his phone was off when he got those VM's. I always thought the VM calls would be hard to explain and it did look like his phone was off... but I no longer believe that. This pretty much sums up the VM's to me...

Part 2 Day 24 9:50ish

All of those went to vm's … don't show cell tower information. What does that indicate to you based on your training? As I stated on direct, based on my training, that the phone could be off the network, off, on airplane mode, however, based on cross examination, I would like to confer with AT&T to give a more accurate answer.


I also now have a question about the 8:28 call since learning that Jarvis has said and has maintained all these years that she saw Joey call that night at 8:28 (based on what McGee said in court the other day) I went back today to some other testimony...

@ 50:30 of Hanke's testimony, McGee shows that there are 2 calls on Merritt's records, but only shows once on McStay's that same day. Just another indication that these records are not all that reliable.

I'll thoroughly analyze it and let you know my interpretation. I also have personal cell phone records from the same area during the same time but a different carrier, I'll compare my calls with the ones here and see if I can spot any similarities or anomalies in particular.

 

[katydid23]

If he was going to this meeting to fire him, why not?

If you file a fraud report on your account, it FREEZES immediately. Any outstanding checks will be denied/rejected. It takes quite awhile to get things sorted out.

For a business like Joey's, this would be a total nightmare. If he had no idea who was stealing from his account, then freezing it would be the right answer.

But this was Chase, his long time employee, and someone who he had a 'back and forth' financial flow with already. I am pretty sure that he thought he could sort things out.

 

[missy1974]

I'll thoroughly analyze it and let you know my interpretation. I also have personal cell phone records from the same area during the same time but a different carrier, I'll compare my calls with the ones here and see if I can spot any similarities or anomalies in particular.

Oh yes!!! I remember that now! What carrier did you have?

 

[missy1974]

If you file a fraud report on your account, it FREEZES immediately. Any outstanding checks will be denied/rejected. It takes quite awhile to get things sorted out.

For a business like Joey's, this would be a total nightmare. If he had no idea who was stealing from his account, then freezing it would be the right answer.

But this was Chase, his long time employee, and someone who he had a 'back and forth' financial flow with already. I am pretty sure that he thought he could sort things out.

I can accept that. But it still doesn't answer why he called the bank. IMO any inquiry into his account would have a record of which employee accessed and possibly what for.

 

[QueenBofOB]

Question here: Is the original CNN video still available? TIA!

I watched it on YouTube a couple of weeks ago. Gray Hughes videos too, really good info.

 

[geevee]

I can accept that. But it still doesn't answer why he called the bank. IMO any inquiry into his account would have a record of which employee accessed and possibly what for.

Not only did he call the bank twice that day, but he called two different numbers, I'm so curious about that and really aggravated it seems we won't get any info on it during trial.

 

[katydid23]

I can accept that. But it still doesn't answer why he called the bank. IMO any inquiry into his account would have a record of which employee accessed and possibly what for.

IIRC, the fraud lady at the bank said she would only have that record if Joey had submitted a fraud report.

Otherwise the bank employee would have made their own notes if there was something to make note of.

Maybe his call/question was not something that the employee thought needed to be written down?

 

[Texas Red]

Top 10 secrets casinos don’t want you to know

This is the link katydid gave, above. One significant quote: “Casinos are very well-covered with surveillance cameras,” says Derk. “Once someone arrives at our property, if we needed to put together their movements over their entire stay, we could easily do so. We would be able to track their movements on the property just about wherever they went — except for like the bathroom and into their hotel room.”

Then there’s this, which relates to poker: “7. One place the casino probably isn’t watching you too closely: the poker rooms.”

But, the serious issue is—could they tell if someone enters or leaves the poker rooms? The first quote above certainly implies that they could. The relative lack of monitoring means that they don’t have cameras that focus in on your poker hands. In this thread, we don’t care about that.

I'm unaware of when the interview took place and how much time had elapsed since 2/4/10? If too long, more than a few months the video would have been purged. Also, depending on which casino is in question, some have separate entrances for the poker rooms because of the different age restriction for playing poker. CM very well may have been captured on video if he entered via the casino. I can't recall if San Manuel had a separate entrance in 2010, all I know is when I entered it was via the casino.

 

[KALI]

I have a question.
The State of California is prosecuting Charles Merritt for the death penalty.
Are the jurors able to convict on a lessor charge?
Such as manslaughter?
Is it all or nothing?
If they cannot all agree on the death penalty, does that means he walks?