CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #17

[Texas Red]

I want to see the defense teams proof he wasn't in Hawaii. After all they are the ones making those claims.

It's very difficult to prove a negative. Personally, I just want the truth to come out without making unreasonable demands that would prevent it from happening.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Good morning, everyone! I'm just going to plonk these tweets of Cathy's here so folks who check the thread out later and read backwards i.e. latest post first, will know what happened in court today without having to go back several pages to find out!

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 5h5 hours ago
#McStay - Court is in session however Raja Maline said James McGee wants to give an update "on his condition" but this will be done in chambers. Court dark until that's done.

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 5h5 hours ago
#McStay - Defense attorney James McGee is having undisclosed health problems. Court is adjourned until Monday. The defense expects to rest next week.

 

[Longtimenoc]

It's very difficult to prove a negative. Personally, I just want the truth to come out without making unreasonable demands that would prevent it from happening.

What in particular do you find unreasonable to believe from the prosecutions case, the truck, checks and financials?

 

[Texas Red]

What evidence do you believe was manipulated? I am genuinely curious.

Liscio’s manipulation of the Faro scans attempting to match the surveillance video with Merritt’s truck. Although, IMO, this has already come back to bite them. Claiming to have found blood droplets in a photo but not noticed until 9 years later, again, this appears to have now come back to bite them. Questionable phone pings, misrepresenting the jailhouse conversations of the defendant. Overall this is a classic example of bending the evidence to fit the theory of the crime, in a true impartial investigation the suspect is matched to the evidence, IMO, the opposite happened in this case.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM - not really sure how to answer that asyousay because you are assuming I don't believe it LOL

ETA: There are people that still believe that Dan did this, there are people that believe that Dan wasn't in Hawaii... if I am answering for them, I would still have to say I don't know.... maybe those that read here and want to post their beliefs will answer what it would take to convince them

Are most of these people those that already perceived DK was the killer for years before the trial even began?

I guess I can understand somewhat that outsiders who had made up their minds years ago about this case may want their preconceived biases confirmed.

It's always shocked me how so many on other social media sites care far more about being right than they do about the real suspect being brought to justice.

I've never understood that mindset, but it sure is evident on many other blog sites.

Then of course I see some who believes a defendant isn't guilty no matter who the defendant is. I guess those are ones who have some kind of bias against prosecutors or maybe law enforcement in general.

Imo

 

[Texas Red]

It's always shocked me how so many on other social media sites care far more about being right than they do about the real suspect being brought to justice.
I've never understood that mindset, but it sure is evident on many other blog sites.

IMO, it's quite obvious that the same thing is happening here.

 

[Frankie Hellis]

Liscio’s manipulation of the Faro scans attempting to match the surveillance video with Merritt’s truck. Although, IMO, this has already come back to bite them. Claiming to have found blood droplets in a photo but not noticed until 9 years later, again, this appears to have now come back to bite them. Questionable phone pings, misrepresenting the jailhouse conversations of the defendant. Overall this is a classic example of bending the evidence to fit the theory of the crime, in a true impartial investigation the suspect is matched to the evidence, IMO, the opposite happened in this case.

with regard to the possible blood droplets on the table, I think they simply pointed out something they admittedly did not know what it was. They testified no one saw them in person and that they were just seen while preparing for trial. I don’t see how this could be considered manipulation.

The prosecution of a defendant is always going to show the evidence in the light that most makes the defendant look guilty. That is, after all, the job of the prosecution. I think the investigation itself was more impartial than you are willing to admit, at least in the beginning. I honestly don’t think anything in this trial has been any different than any other trial I’ve watched, excluding the ridiculous scheduling issues.

I will agree the truck images are manipulated... both ways, but I also don’t think it is nefarious in any way. I disagree the pings were manipulated, unless you can be more specific and I am missing something.

I also don’t know how I would vote if I were on the jury. It certainly is not a slam dunk case. I don’t see how anyone other than Merritt did it, but I also have a nagging feeling of there being not quite enough evidence for me to feel good about a conviction.

Anyway, thanks for indulging me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO, it's quite obvious that the same thing is happening here.

I don't have any idea what you mean. I never followed this case until the trial began. I didnt even follow any pre trial hearings.

Of course I knew the McStay family had disappeared, and later were found in shallow graves in the desert. And around a year later Charles Merritt was arrested, and charged for the 4 murders. I knew these things from seeing them on the national news.

So again, I really don't know who you are referring to.

Imo

 

[la2cabo]

I don't have any idea what you mean. I never followed this case until the trial began. I didnt even follow any pre trial hearings.

Of course I knew the McStay family had disappeared, and later were found in shallow graves in the desert. And around a year later Charles Merritt was arrested, and charged for the 4 murders. I knew these things from seeing them on the national news.

So again, I really don't know who you are referring to.

Imo

I think they're referring to anyone who disagrees with them and/or thinks Merritt is guilty. JMO

 

[smr]

It's always shocked me how so many on other social media sites care far more about being right than they do about the real suspect being brought to justice.

There is a basic difference between "the real suspect" and "the real guilty party".

Then of course I see some who believes a defendant isn't guilty no matter who the defendant is. I guess those are ones who have some kind of bias against prosecutors or maybe law enforcement in general.

I see some who claim a defendant is guilty just because he is the defendant.

 

[citygirl]

There is a basic difference between "the real suspect" and "the real guilty party".



I see some who claim a defendant is guilty just because he is the defendant.

That would be me..... well, sorta....but not really. I think the evidence thus far has proved his guilt.

 

[la2cabo]

There is a basic difference between "the real suspect" and "the real guilty party".



I see some who claim a defendant is guilty just because he is the defendant.

BBM: I haven't encountered that on this case at all.

 

[Texas Red]

So again, I really don't know who you are referring to.

No one in particular it’s just a generalized personal observation of the vibe I feel being emitted from this thread. I wouldn’t read too much into it or take it personally.

 

[InspectorGadget]

BBM: I haven't encountered that on this case at all.

I have seen lots of argument on this thread that the defendant is guilty because he has been arrested.

 

[Kittybunny]

For the record, I followed this case since Day 1, for over 9 years. When it began, I was on another, less victim-friendly board. Every possibility, every clue, every rabbit hole was followed, and the theories changed and evolved, and so did my opinions. I entertained the possibility they went to Mexico, or elsewhere, for a long time. I explored the theories that it was them on that video, but not Joey, but Summer and the boys and that she had poisoned him and run away. We poked and prodded at the family, at CM, at DK, at everyone we could think of - things I'm not proud of but that's what you do when you sleuth and the case is still at a missing persons case. We rallied at LE as time went on and all ends died, that they were wrong in assuming they were voluntarily missing. Then the bodies were discovered, and everything changed. I never believed the drug cartel story - but some did, and less scrupulous sleuthers than we here turned over every rock looking for evidence that Joey was involved in the drug trade - nothing was found. My suspicions after the bodies were found was that this was someone close to them, it was so personal and brutal, and that the boys knew the killer. Theories about Summer's ex-husband were discussed and evaluated, etc. until the long long day of the arrest came and to me, everything clicked with CM's arrest. Motive, means, opportunity - he rang my bells on all three.

The point of this long post is this - I followed this case since the beginning, in real time, and heard every theory there ever was, followed where the clues went. Yes, there was a lot of suspicion around DK too, and I can understand that people become attached to their theory (I know I'm having cognitive dissonance on another case). To accuse people of not being open-minded or rushing to judgement without understanding their history with this case or assuming LE didn't investigate is unfair. I'm not interested in going back to ground zero, because I was there. The possibilities existed and were entertained, I never had my mind that made up, and I have followed the evidence and clues and information to where we are today, and I trust LE has arrested the right man, and this is why we are here today. If you joined this case late, and want to explore other options, that is your right, but it's been NINE YEARS for me and many others of considering every possibility, and I'm over that - it's more than time for justice!

 

[travelbug]

I have seen lots of argument on this thread that the defendant is guilty because he has been arrested.

I've also seen quite a few comments that say "xyz" isn't guilty because she/he wasn't arrested. Both of these statements are fallacies. We're nearly finished with this trial, but this is America and a defendant is "innocent until proven guilty" BARD.

 

[Funky funky]

For the record, I followed this case since Day 1, for over 9 years. When it began, I was on another, less victim-friendly board. Every possibility, every clue, every rabbit hole was followed, and the theories changed and evolved, and so did my opinions. I entertained the possibility they went to Mexico, or elsewhere, for a long time. I explored the theories that it was them on that video, but not Joey, but Summer and the boys and that she had poisoned him and run away. We poked and prodded at the family, at CM, at DK, at everyone we could think of - things I'm not proud of but that's what you do when you sleuth and the case is still at a missing persons case. We rallied at LE as time went on and all ends died, that they were wrong in assuming they were voluntarily missing. Then the bodies were discovered, and everything changed. I never believed the drug cartel story - but some did, and less scrupulous sleuthers than we here turned over every rock looking for evidence that Joey was involved in the drug trade - nothing was found. My suspicions after the bodies were found was that this was someone close to them, it was so personal and brutal, and that the boys knew the killer. Theories about Summer's ex-husband were discussed and evaluated, etc. until the long long day of the arrest came and to me, everything clicked with CM's arrest. Motive, means, opportunity - he rang my bells on all three.

The point of this long post is this - I followed this case since the beginning, in real time, and heard every theory there ever was, followed where the clues went. Yes, there was a lot of suspicion around DK too, and I can understand that people become attached to their theory (I know I'm having cognitive dissonance on another case). To accuse people of not being open-minded or rushing to judgement without understanding their history with this case or assuming LE didn't investigate is unfair. I'm not interested in going back to ground zero, because I was there. The possibilities existed and were entertained, I never had my mind that made up, and I have followed the evidence and clues and information to where we are today, and I trust LE has arrested the right man, and this is why we are here today. If you joined this case late, and want to explore other options, that is your right, but it's been NINE YEARS for me and many others of considering every possibility, and I'm over that - it's more than time for justice!

Well said! You took the words right out of my mouth! TBH as previously mentioned by @Tricia, I think some posters on this forum have an agenda and are here to stir the pot as they don’t seem to be able to fathom that Chase could be guilty for one second. I’m beginning to think it’s a wind up TBH. MOO IMO etc, etc.

 

[missy1974]

For the record, I followed this case since Day 1, for over 9 years. When it began, I was on another, less victim-friendly board. Every possibility, every clue, every rabbit hole was followed, and the theories changed and evolved, and so did my opinions. I entertained the possibility they went to Mexico, or elsewhere, for a long time. I explored the theories that it was them on that video, but not Joey, but Summer and the boys and that she had poisoned him and run away. We poked and prodded at the family, at CM, at DK, at everyone we could think of - things I'm not proud of but that's what you do when you sleuth and the case is still at a missing persons case. We rallied at LE as time went on and all ends died, that they were wrong in assuming they were voluntarily missing. Then the bodies were discovered, and everything changed. I never believed the drug cartel story - but some did, and less scrupulous sleuthers than we here turned over every rock looking for evidence that Joey was involved in the drug trade - nothing was found. My suspicions after the bodies were found was that this was someone close to them, it was so personal and brutal, and that the boys knew the killer. Theories about Summer's ex-husband were discussed and evaluated, etc. until the long long day of the arrest came and to me, everything clicked with CM's arrest. Motive, means, opportunity - he rang my bells on all three.

The point of this long post is this - I followed this case since the beginning, in real time, and heard every theory there ever was, followed where the clues went. Yes, there was a lot of suspicion around DK too, and I can understand that people become attached to their theory (I know I'm having cognitive dissonance on another case). To accuse people of not being open-minded or rushing to judgement without understanding their history with this case or assuming LE didn't investigate is unfair. I'm not interested in going back to ground zero, because I was there. The possibilities existed and were entertained, I never had my mind that made up, and I have followed the evidence and clues and information to where we are today, and I trust LE has arrested the right man, and this is why we are here today. If you joined this case late, and want to explore other options, that is your right, but it's been NINE YEARS for me and many others of considering every possibility, and I'm over that - it's more than time for justice!

I always thought they went away... or I guess "hoped" they had.

I'm curious @Kittybunny .... have you watched the trial?

 

[la2cabo]

I have seen lots of argument on this thread that the defendant is guilty because he has been arrested.

Really? I've seen people pose that Chase Merritt is guilty but not just because he's been arrested. I think those of us who think he's guilty have followed the evidence and came to the guilty conclusion.

 

[Karinna]

Really? I've seen people pose that Chase Merritt is guilty but not just because he's been arrested. I think those of us who think he's guilty have followed the evidence and came to the guilty conclusion.

I think the biggest thing for me in this case that stands out and proves CM guilty is the meddling with the QB's accounts. To call a QB's rep. and impersonate Joseph McStay to wipe out the QB's accounts and leave no trail tells me he knew JM was not coming back.
There is no way he would of done that and risk JM getting the fraudulent activity on his accounts investigated if he knew JM was still alive, IMO.
And if he was innocent in that regard he wouldn't of been messing around with something he had no authority to mess with.