CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

[Cricket28]

From the email Force Ten posted, he not only had to have a passport, he needed a Saudi visa, so they must have approved it considering he was there.

ETA: I'm resisting the urge to google how to get a visa to Saudi Arabia

He also had a warrant out for his arrest in 2010. He was worried about being arrested when he showed up for his interview with DuGal and Fiske.

 

[Bernina]

From the email Force Ten posted, he not only had to have a passport, he needed a Saudi visa, so they must have approved it considering he was there.

ETA: I'm resisting the urge to google how to get a visa to Saudi Arabia

But......you have to get permission from your PO to go ANYWHERE, whether it's moving to a new residence, getting married, going out of State, and definitely going OUT OF THE COUNTRY. I don't know, and definitely have never heard of, a PO allowing their client to go out of the country

Chase could have sent that email from his home in California, we don't know where he was.

 

[asyousay]

He had to have gone to Saudi Arabia or Susan and Dan would of know as the people dealing with him would of obviously of said he hadn’t gone.

I think it’s conclusive he went and finished the job out there.

 

[Texas Red]

From what I've learned today from the CNN Documentary and the SBSO Press Conference of CM's arrest: SBSO Inv Fisher (he's the lead Inv on this case) stated the state has evidence, that they believe that links CM to the murder scene (home). SBSO served 60 search warrants in this case, not including SDSO warrants. It NOW makes sense to me why Inv DuGal (SDSO) testified that he was investigating a missing persons case vs a homicide case and the home did not APPEAR to be a foul play/crime scene on his original investigation. SDSO did not attempt to process the home as a homicide scene, due to the lack of any visible physical evidence. However, once the bodies were discovered and SBSO took over the case as a KNOWN homicide case, SBSO did in fact serve search warrants on their home (years later) AND processed it as a homicide scene. This was stated by SBSO Inv Fisher. If Inv Fisher states they were killed INSIDE their home and it points to CM, they HAVE to have some evidence collected that makes them believe that, IMO. We are barely into the beginning of this case and I believe we WILL hear what they collected in the home that points to their murder AND CM's involvement. There is just so much speculation, including me, that we will have to wait to see what the Pros Team actually reveals in court. The Prosecution also does NOT want to reveal "their hand" during Opening Statements, IMO.

The SBDA's Office also assisted the homicide team investigating this case. I assume their investigators have ALSO collected evidence in this case.

If CM’s blood were found in the house, it of course, would be the most conclusive evidence connecting him with the prosecution’s theory of crime scene location. I was thinking about the photo of the dining room table showing possible blood splatter and associating it with the cut on CM’s hand. If CM was unaware he was bleeding from his injured hand and then started swinging that sledge hammer around the spatter could end up in a place easily missed when scrubbing the crime scene. It’s certainly within the realm of possibility that the SBSO found trace splatter within the home, even years latter.

 

[Cricket28]

I would agree, but from what I see, he doesn't have any charges of violence, or murder. He hasn't been charged with anything relating to the finances, fraud, theft, burglary or anything like that. It might go towards motive, but then I wonder why they didn't charge him with those crimes as well. JMO

The 3 strikes law in Calif was no joke. You could do serious time if you were convicted of a 3rd felony. I haven't really heard much about it lately but for a time it was very serious. I wonder if that was on Chase's mind back in 2010. Although his 2 prior convictions may have not applied to the 3 strikes law if they happened before the law went into effect.

 

[missy1974]

But......you have to get permission from your PO to go ANYWHERE, whether it's moving to a new residence, getting married, going out of State, and definitely going OUT OF THE COUNTRY. I don't know, and definitely have never heard of, a PO allowing their client to go out of the country

Chase could have sent that email from his home in California, we don't know where he was.

But was he on parole?

Force Ten posted his criminal record, he last charge/conviction was in 2001.

it's in this post: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

ETA: I missed in the post where it said he did 3 months in 2009. What was that for @Force Ten?

 

[missy1974]

He also had a warrant out for his arrest in 2010. He was worried about being arrested when he showed up for his interview with DuGal and Fiske.

Welcome to websleuths!

I am not sure what that warrant was for? Did he go 'clear it up' the day after like he said he was going to?

 

[Texas Red]

The 3 strikes law in Calif was no joke. You could do serious time if you were convicted of a 3rd felony. I haven't really heard much about it lately but for a time it was very serious. I wonder if that was on Chase's mind back in 2010. Although his 2 prior convictions may have not applied to the 3 strikes law if they happened before the law went into effect.

What irony that would be, a law passed to prevent crime has the unattended consequence of instigating a mass murder.

 

[missy1974]

The 3 strikes law in Calif was no joke. You could do serious time if you were convicted of a 3rd felony. I haven't really heard much about it lately but for a time it was very serious. I wonder if that was on Chase's mind back in 2010. Although his 2 prior convictions may have not applied to the 3 strikes law if they happened before the law went into effect.

I know about the 3 strike rule, but I don't know what charges/convictions they apply to. There was some talk about it in the Law & Crime chat about it the other day, and I got the impression that his charges didn't apply to that rule, but I have no idea. JMO Maybe someone that knows more about the Cali laws and the 3 strike rules can help us out

 

[Cricket28]

If CM’s blood were found in the house, it of course, would be the most conclusive evidence connecting him with the prosecution’s theory of crime scene location. I was thinking about the photo of the dining room table showing possible blood splatter and associating it with the cut on CM’s hand. If CM was unaware he was bleeding from his injured hand and then started swinging that sledge hammer around the spatter could end up in a place easily missed when scrubbing the crime scene. It’s certainly within the realm of possibility that the SBSO found trace splatter within the home, even years latter.

When San Bernardino investigators went back to the house in Aug 2014, they took DNA samples and a piece of tan carpet from the stairs (search warrant SBSW 14-1075). This is almost a year after Chase's arrest, why did they wait so long?

 

[Bernina]

He had to have gone to Saudi Arabia or Susan and Dan would of know as the people dealing with him would of obviously of said he hadn’t gone.

I think it’s conclusive he went and finished the job out there.

The email from the Saudi client said CM needs to come to SA to put the fountain together, NOT that he's already there.

Where is there any proof that CM ever went there, other than CM saying he did?

 

[asyousay]

Reading some of the posts on here make me scratch my head as so many things still don’t add up to me.


Like on the 2nd Feb Chase takes the first step in ripping off Joey and he obviously doesn’t give a crap about the consequences of this. He knows Joey will find out whether it be in hours or days.

So we can see from his record he has done time for theft and Burglary before and he obviously never learned his lesson and did it over and over. But he never used violence or aggression from what we know.

So why would he go that much further with the Mcstays?

Was he always planning to kill them from whenever he decided to make the cheuqe out on the 2nd?

Why after the lunch and the complete break down of the relationship would he let Joey leave knowing that if Joey called the cops or went to the cops he would end up back in jail?

 

[asyousay]

The email from the Saudi client said CM needs to come to SA to put the fountain together, NOT that he's already there.

Where is there any proof that CM ever went there, other than CM saying he did?

I don’t have the proof but you can assume there is proof because Susan who was handling the business would of been told by the buyers he had not gone. Do you not think of Chase had not gone the company would of demanded their money back and Susan, Dan and Mike would of screamed from the roof tops he hadn’t gone?

The job was completed or we would of been told otherwise by Susan on the stand and or Mike would of been privy to that information as well.

 

[missy1974]

When San Bernardino investigators went back to the house in Aug 2014, they took DNA samples and a piece of tan carpet from the stairs (search warrant SBSW 14-1075). This is almost a year after Chase's arrest, why did they wait so long?

Chase was arrested in November 2014, so it was before. But over 4 years after they went missing.

 

[Cricket28]

Reading some of the posts on here make me scratch my head as so many things still don’t add up to me.


Like on the 2nd Feb Chase takes the first step in ripping off Joey and he obviously doesn’t give a crap about the consequences of this. He knows Joey will find out whether it be in hours or days.

So we can see from his record he has done time for theft and Burglary before and he obviously never learned his lesson and did it over and over. But he never used violence or aggression from what we know.

So why would he go that much further with the Mcstays?

Was he always planning to kill them from whenever he decided to make the cheuqe out on the 2nd?

Why after the lunch and the complete break down of the relationship would he let Joey leave knowing that if Joey called the cops or went to the cops he would end up back in jail?

I've been wondering the same things. When McGyver testified that Chase was at the house on two of the days he was there to paint, I wondered if Chase was planning something then and McGyver foiled his plans.

 

[Cricket28]

Chase was arrested in November 2014, so it was before. But over 4 years after they went missing.

Oh you're right. I was getting the date when they were found mixed with the arrest. I'm sorry.

 

[missy1974]

Why after the lunch and the complete break down of the relationship would he let Joey leave knowing that if Joey called the cops or went to the cops he would end up back in jail?

BBM above... I still don't know if this is true. We assume this, and from what others have posted, this is from DK, years later. I wonder if DK told Mike and Susan this back in Feb 2010, if so, why were they even trying to work with him? Why wouldn't they tell him to get lost and they would figure it out on their own? Even if he was thinking of giving Chase some 'competition' (like Patrick said) and hoping his work ethic/product would improve, he still wasn't severing the relationship.

I am so annoyed at how slow this trial is going to go. 3, maybe 4 days a week, 4.5 hours of testimony a day and that's only IF they are on time!!! Crazy!

I am hoping that they can show us that yes, Joey found out about a cheque, inquired with the bank about it that day, etc.

 

[Texas Red]

But was he on parole?

Force Ten posted his criminal record, he last charge/conviction was in 2001.

it's in this post: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

ETA: I missed in the post where it said he did 3 months in 2009. What was that for @Force Ten?

Three months of incarceration would be considered jail time, a term of supervision associated with early release from jail is called probation. With prison, normally a term of a year or more, early release is called parole and is much stricter. I believe he could have gone to SA, without his probation officer having a clue about it.

 

[asyousay]

I've been wondering the same things. When McGyver testified that Chase was at the house on two of the days he was there to paint, I wondered if Chase was planning something then and McGyver foiled his plans.

Yes if the Mexico passport thing on the Mcstays computer was Chase which we will never know unfortunately then he could of been planning this awhile. But looking at his criminal history it’s odd how it spans decades but he was never violent.

 

[Texas Red]

Chase was arrested in November 2014, so it was before. But over 4 years after they went missing.

The sample was collected in August, it would have taken a few months to complete the test results, then within a month CM is arrested. Following that timeline I would say the sample collected was a positive match for CM’s DNA.