CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

[Mica]

hmmm In Chase's Dugal interview, he mentions this, that PM called Joey about it and was worried he was still on an EIP account.

@Mica, do we know what happened with that case? If this was PM's problem (which is my understanding right now), I hope they weren't successful against EIP?

Might have been settled. The amount was for close to $20k plus interest.

Order of Nonsuit in favor of Plaintiff signed 02/08/2011

 

[missy1974]

rsbm

Was that the argument where Imes was clarifying something about attorney misconduct? I caught a few minutes of that when it was live but I didn't really get the gist of it and I'll have to go back to listen again now the videos are up on YT.

It isn't mentioned in that youtube clip... but listening to that, I felt like I "missed something". I thought it was Daugherty that was asking the judge to clarify that there was NOT misconduct from Rodriquez... which the judge agreed... but I didn't see what it was in reference to at all? Did anyone see it live? I think they cut that out too. Logically, I'm thinking that it may have had to do with the cheques? Or maybe they were implying that she asked or directed the accountant to look into more overnight?

On Thursday though, I think I rewound at the end of the day, which went back 2 hours. It was mentioned by the defense and the pro's, this envelope that was just found, and I know it was cheques from Chase's account or a disk that contained a copy of them, I assumed I would able to go back and listen, but didn't hear it last night when listening again. (I fully admit... I did skip some of the testimony where they were going through pages and pages of stuff to highlight end of the month balances and stuff). But the stuff I was looking for was outside of the jury anyway, not in front of and during testimony.

Needless to say.... it annoys me that they cut out objections sometimes.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It also doesn't make it untrue.

I think based on the evidence thus far about CMs financial history, DKs statement to LE seems far more credible in his statement.

The state mentioned this in their OS didn't they? If so. They are going to submit witness testimony supporting the gambling loans Joey gave to CM to pay off his gambling debts at the time.

With CMs history of rooking others out of their money, it is much more credible, and logical to believe money was loaned by Joey, and there will be no record he ever paid a dime of it back. CM is a user, and a taker, but never a giver who keeps any of his empty promises.

After murdering Joey he continued his record of conning others, under false promises. CM, lies every time his mouth opens, except when he errs occassionally and let's the truth slipout.

Iirc, he went onto target, at least two more gentleman, that we know about, bilking them out of thousands too.

Iirc, one took him to small claims court. They even mentioned they realized they had become his piggy bank.

He also lied in his interview pretending his business/office was in one of the men's own building/office. The gentlemen said none of that was remotely true. Instead he said the only reason CM came there was to get more money. See how easily the lies come with such ease for CM when he tells them?

So for anyone to say CM is a honorable man with high integrity, and is totally credible, not only is highly laughable to even make, but its flat out false.

Past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. So if CM takes the stand we will see it continue, with more lies, just like he has always lied with such ease.

CJ, now has to wonder if she ever really knew the man behind the mask of lies and cons. I think he conned her too as well.

Jmo

 

[missy1974]

I think based on the evidence thus far about CMs financial history, DKs statement to LE seems far more credible in his statement.

The state mentioned this in their OS didn't they? If so. They are going to submit witness testimony supporting the gambling loans Joey gave to CM to pay off his gambling debts at the time.

With CMs history of rooking others out of their money, it is much more incredible, and logical to believe money was loaned by Joey, and there will be no record he ever paid a dime of it back. CM is a user, and a taker, but never a giver who never keeps his empty promises.

After murdering Joey he continued his record of conning others, under false promises. CM, lies every time his mouth opens.

Iirc, he went onto target, at least two more gentleman, that we know about, bilking them out of thousands too.

Iirc, one took him to small claims court. They even mentioned they realized they had become his piggy bank.

He also lied in his interview pretending his business/office was in one of the men's own building/office. The gentlemen said none of that was remotely true. Instead he said the only reason CM came there was to get more money. See how easily the lies come with such ease for CM when he tells them?

So for anyone to say CM is a honorable man with high integrity, and is totally credible, not only is highly laughable to even make, but its flat out false.

Past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. So if CM takes the stand we will see it continue, with more lies, just like he has always lied with such ease.

CJ, now has to wonder if she ever really knew the man behind the mask of lies and cons. I think he conned her too as well.

Jmo

This 30K gambling debt, as far as I can tell has not been mentioned in this trial at all. Not in the prosecution's OS's, or in witness testimony. It was mentioned in the Search warrants, and that is it. I also do not believe it was mentioned in the Preliminary hearing.

Funny how some want proof that Chase had a heart attack or health problems, yet this 30K gambling debt MUST be true. Neither has been brought up in the trial as of yet. I can at least find articles that references CM's heart condition being mentioned in pre-trial hearings, I can't find anything other than the search warrant's saying: According to Kavanaugh, Joseph lent Merritt $30,000 to pay a gambling debt Merritt incurred. Kavanaugh told San Diego County investigators Joseph planned to fire Merritt. I can find articles that mention it, but all of those articles, their source is the Search warrants.
Here is just one article from back in 2014 that mentions it was brought up in court:
McStay Suspect Has Health Problems: Atty

 

[mrjitty]

This 30K gambling debt, as far as I can tell has not been mentioned in this trial at all. Not in the prosecution's OS's, or in witness testimony. It was mentioned in the Search warrants, and that is it. I also do not believe it was mentioned in the Preliminary hearing.

Funny how some want proof that Chase had a heart attack or health problems, yet this 30K gambling debt MUST be true. Neither has been brought up in the trial as of yet. I can at least find articles that references CM's heart condition being mentioned in pre-trial hearings, I can't find anything other than the search warrant's saying: According to Kavanaugh, Joseph lent Merritt $30,000 to pay a gambling debt Merritt incurred. Kavanaugh told San Diego County investigators Joseph planned to fire Merritt. I can find articles that mention it, but all of those articles, their source is the Search warrants.
Here is just one article from back in 2014 that mentions it was brought up in court:
McStay Suspect Has Health Problems: Atty

I don't know enough about Cali procedure to comment here.

When I went to school, if DK is being called as a witness, then his pretrial statements to investigators will be exhibited.

Especially if this info is in the search warrants, it must be contained in statements to the police.

So my guess is all this will come to a head if/when he is called, but it isn't currently exhibited.

 

[Force Ten]

Do you know for sure that his income is what is reported? What I mean is that it is straight income, minus expenses? I really expected the Forensic Accountant to give us more information, and I don't think he did. They were to busy counting how many times he went to an ATM.

I am self employed by the way and I know how it can appear, but also know the reality of it.

If the DA did it would have been deemed irrelevant to the case.

 

[thelmadawg]

OK, and what's your point? Just because they come from DK doesn't make them any less based in reality. DK is more trustworthy than CM at this point.

Only because he hasn't committed or been accused of homicide, as far as we know. Otherwise, they seem to be two peas in a pod, so to speak. Living off OPM (other peoples money) and spending it freely until the cash runs out, and then moving on.

 

[Force Ten]

Wasn’t the heart related issue mentioned in one of CM’s probation reports?

Not that I recall. It has always been from the defense from the get-go. But it's also confirmed by family that it's something he's had all his life, so not a recent condition that would have him on death watch.

On the supposed heart attack, I don't recall hearing about this before the trial and maybe just in the last couple weeks. Can someone point to where this originated? Testimony? This sounds to be something spoken into fact.

 

[Force Ten]

Only because he hasn't committed or been accused of homicide, as far as we know. Otherwise, they seem to be two peas in a pod, so to speak. Living off OPM (other peoples money) and spending it freely until the cash runs out, and then moving on.

"OPM" - sounds like a good name for an investment firm.

 

[Plo_Koon]

"OPM" - sounds like a good name for an investment firm.

Who do you think they'd put in charge of the books?

 

[Force Ten]

With CM owing such a large amount to the IRS for unpaid taxes, and penalties, for the life of me, I cant understand why his business licence wasn't suspended by the state of CA,?

The state is sent copies of the paperwork about the failure to pay the IRS business taxes owed, and send it to the state licensing board, and the state's tax revenue deoartment or at least that is the way its done in my state.

It's done to alert the state, they also may be owed additional state taxes by this same business owner.

Does CA also collect state business tax owed on self employed businesses? TiA

Jmo

Come on Ocean, the guy was getting ticketed left and right for driving on a suspended license, do you think he gave a hoot about a business license?

I have found nothing to indicate he filed anything with the state for Idesign or Waterfalls By Chase.

 

[Force Ten]

OK, and what's your point? Just because they come from DK doesn't make them any less based in reality. DK is more trustworthy than CM at this point.

Patrick had also stated Joseph told him he was going to look for another welder. Could be hearsay though as we don't know if Joseph meant Chase directly or MSM. We now know Chase wasn't doing any welding at the time so it almost validates Patrick's claim.

 

[Force Ten]

PM and EIP were both named as defendants by Bank of America on 12/31/2009 in a case related to consumer/commercial debt.

Wasn't this due to Mike opening a line of credit posing as EIP?

 

[Force Ten]

It isn't mentioned in that youtube clip... but listening to that, I felt like I "missed something". I thought it was Daugherty that was asking the judge to clarify that there was NOT misconduct from Rodriquez... which the judge agreed... but I didn't see what it was in reference to at all? Did anyone see it live? I think they cut that out too. Logically, I'm thinking that it may have had to do with the cheques? Or maybe they were implying that she asked or directed the accountant to look into more overnight?

On Thursday though, I think I rewound at the end of the day, which went back 2 hours. It was mentioned by the defense and the pro's, this envelope that was just found, and I know it was cheques from Chase's account or a disk that contained a copy of them, I assumed I would able to go back and listen, but didn't hear it last night when listening again. (I fully admit... I did skip some of the testimony where they were going through pages and pages of stuff to highlight end of the month balances and stuff). But the stuff I was looking for was outside of the jury anyway, not in front of and during testimony.

Needless to say.... it annoys me that they cut out objections sometimes.

How do you know objections were cut? I saw some editing but it appeared to be faulty filming.

 

[mrjitty]

Come on Ocean, the guy was getting ticketed left and right for driving on a suspended license, do you think he gave a hoot about about a business license?

I have found nothing to indicate he filed anything with the state for Idesign or Waterfalls By Chase.

So this man of fine character committed felonies, and was a tax fraudster?

 

[thelmadawg]

"OPM" - sounds like a good name for an investment firm.

True "Dat." Same goes for Venture Capitalists - VC (Victorius Cons) or even better VC=(Voracious Cons)

 

[Longtimenoc]

This 30K gambling debt, as far as I can tell has not been mentioned in this trial at all. Not in the prosecution's OS's, or in witness testimony. It was mentioned in the Search warrants, and that is it. I also do not believe it was mentioned in the Preliminary hearing.

Funny how some want proof that Chase had a heart attack or health problems, yet this 30K gambling debt MUST be true. Neither has been brought up in the trial as of yet. I can at least find articles that references CM's heart condition being mentioned in pre-trial hearings, I can't find anything other than the search warrant's saying: According to Kavanaugh, Joseph lent Merritt $30,000 to pay a gambling debt Merritt incurred. Kavanaugh told San Diego County investigators Joseph planned to fire Merritt. I can find articles that mention it, but all of those articles, their source is the Search warrants.
Here is just one article from back in 2014 that mentions it was brought up in court:
McStay Suspect Has Health Problems: Atty

This 30K gambling debt, as far as I can tell has not been mentioned in this trial at all. Not in the prosecution's OS's, or in witness testimony. It was mentioned in the Search warrants, and that is it. I also do not believe it was mentioned in the Preliminary hearing.

Funny how some want proof that Chase had a heart attack or health problems, yet this 30K gambling debt MUST be true. Neither has been brought up in the trial as of yet. I can at least find articles that references CM's heart condition being mentioned in pre-trial hearings, I can't find anything other than the search warrant's saying: According to Kavanaugh, Joseph lent Merritt $30,000 to pay a gambling debt Merritt incurred. Kavanaugh told San Diego County investigators Joseph planned to fire Merritt. I can find articles that mention it, but all of those articles, their source is the Search warrants.
Here is just one article from back in 2014 that mentions it was brought up in court:
McStay Suspect Has Health Problems: Atty

The heart attack and CHF are some of the many mysteries surrounding CM. Kathy J's role in all this, the lie detector test, the 30k loan, his memory loss in regards to his whereabouts that week and so on. Hope he testifies.

 

[mrjitty]

Chase has so many questions to answer on the stand

Like where he was on the night of the 4th ...

 

[thelmadawg]

Do we know for sure - is all streaming for the trial discontinued by L&C and also the CBS feed?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This 30K gambling debt, as far as I can tell has not been mentioned in this trial at all. Not in the prosecution's OS's, or in witness testimony. It was mentioned in the Search warrants, and that is it. I also do not believe it was mentioned in the Preliminary hearing.

Funny how some want proof that Chase had a heart attack or health problems, yet this 30K gambling debt MUST be true. Neither has been brought up in the trial as of yet. I can at least find articles that references CM's heart condition being mentioned in pre-trial hearings, I can't find anything other than the search warrant's saying: According to Kavanaugh, Joseph lent Merritt $30,000 to pay a gambling debt Merritt incurred. Kavanaugh told San Diego County investigators Joseph planned to fire Merritt. I can find articles that mention it, but all of those articles, their source is the Search warrants.
Here is just one article from back in 2014 that mentions it was brought up in court:
McStay Suspect Has Health Problems: Atty

I'm not sure what you mean, Missy.

I would expect to see proof of both, since they both have been asserted as being true.

What is attested to in SWs are far more important, and official, than what an attorney may say or any defendant..

Usually at some point in a trial a detective will take the stand to give testimony concerning any SW that may have been gotten, including the probable cause affidavit attached to each one will be shown, and explained.

So respectfully, Missy, imhoo, comparing what an attorney may have said or CM, and what was in any official SW recorded document is like comparing apples to oranges.

This is what I would like to be confirmed through testimony.

1. Joey loaned CM money (30K) to pay off some of his gambling debts.

2. CM created a 100k in medical bill debt due to having heart problems, and it was due to having a heart attack.

If so, both sides should produce the evidence they both ascert to be true.

Proving CM had been given loans by Joey must be proven by the state.

However proving CM encountered such a serious debt of 100K due to having a heart attack would help the defense, and should be proven by them, not just because the attorney or CM said so.

If it was that serious there would be a long period of time he would have been unable to work, due the long time it takes to recover.

Has anyone else, like those who worked with him at MSM or elsewhere, testified about any of that, and how serious it was at the time? Surely the DT would take any opportunity to bring that to light through witness testimony.

In the PH, did CJ, mention it was tough for them financially when CM had his heart attack that landed him in the hospital where he racked up 100K in additional debt?

I think everyone wants both things proven one way or the other.

I don't know why anyone would want one proven only, and not the other. Why not both?

So has anyone else besides his attorney, and CM, himself verified it all happened?

How long was his hospital stay, and how long was he incapacitated at the time, before he recovered where he could get back to doing laborious work like usual?

As an aside: when I see the tv ads for viagra (spelling ?) they caution anyone from taking this particular drug if they have heart problems.

Didn't he just go to Mexico to buy viagra in January before this happened?

Imo