CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

[katydid23]

Defense asks that FA is 'subject to recall.' Looks like they plan to recall him after they put their own hired gun on the stand...popcorn ready?

 

[JMarsh]

The class bias being demonstrated so far by the state in their analysis of Chase's finances, I'm a little concerned with. So far all their analysis does is illustrate the anatomy of a person in financial trouble-not unlike a lot of Americans at that time.

It borders on being bigoted in regards to someone's economic status, as opposed to showing a motive for murder.

 

[katydid23]

Ryan Smith, back on stand...phone records of chase discussed


which casinos Chase went to , using phone records...

 

[katydid23]

The class bias being demonstrated so far by the state in their analysis of Chase's finances, I'm a little concerned with. So far all their analysis does is illustrate the anatomy of a person in financial trouble-not unlike a lot of Americans at that time.

It borders on being economically bigoted.

I call BS on that. Chase gambled away 1 to 2 grand a month. his financial issues are his own making !

 

[katydid23]

I call BS on that. Chase gambled away 1 to 2 grand a month. his financial issues are his own making !

He gambled away, IN ONE MONTH, enough cash to pay his rent.

 

[Mony Mony]

The checks are the smoking gun for me.

He NEVER said he got permission to write and backdate checks to himself during that police interview. Yet CM told us the following:

They met at CFA, he got a Starbucks prior to the meeting.
He had a heart attack and had large medical bills.
He will only drink very cold beers.
His son is a redhead.
Summer yelled at him eating the pizza.
Mikey is excitable.
Summer is verbal.
The children are hard on a home.
He only smoked marijuana once.
Joey had "drug days"

And on and on he went with the verbal dirrahea, yet never thought to mention him having permission to write himself checks.

 

[A lucas]

Is your theory that Chase told San Diego investigators in 2010 that he met with Joey because Chase is so brilliant in forensics that he knew his DNA would be found on the Trooper steering wheel, and that it would be left only on certain items, and that if he was arrested his defense would suggest transfer DNA as a counter-theory---that Chase knew all that ahead of time?

If Chase had such a deep understanding of forensics, why didn't he just wipe the places he touched with bleach and be done with it? Or wear surgical gloves.

For those posing the theory that there was no lunch meeting, how do you explain the cellular evidence that is in keeping with a meeting at lunch?

Actually yes I think he was covering all angles in case his DNA turned up anywhere. Better to be safe than sorry right?

He was forensically aware and familiar with investigative techniques (a benefit of being an ex con) Eg bleach found in bed of his truck, turning off his phone so he couldn’t be traced, burying the bodies so they weren’t found for almost four years. So he’s definitely evil but not entirely stupid. JMO!

 

[Mony Mony]

He gambled away, IN ONE MONTH, enough cash to pay his rent.

Dave Ramsey would not approve, LOL

 

[JMarsh]

Actually yes I think he was covering all angles in case his DNA turned up anywhere. Better to be safe than sorry right?

He was forensically aware and familiar with investigative techniques (a benefit of being an ex con) Eg bleach found in bed of his truck, turning off his phone so he couldn’t be traced, burying the bodies so they weren’t found for almost four years. So he’s definitely evil but not entirely stupid. JMO!

Then why not remove the DNA? Why not wear surgical gloves?

And how possibly could he have anticipated where and in what amounts his DNA would be found?

 

[katydid23]

So it looks like they are going to highlight Chase's big gambling problem by using bank and phone records, showing the many casinos he visited, and the frequency. And the amount of hours in the casino on a visit.

I think that is important because no one can understand why someone would steal and kill. Only a desperate person would do that. And heavy gambling can make someone desperate, IMO>

 

[katydid23]

The checks are the smoking gun for me.

He NEVER said he got permission to write and backdate checks to himself during that police interview. Yet CM told us the following:

They met at CFA, he got a Starbucks prior to the meeting.
He had a heart attack and had large medical bills.
He will only drink very cold beers.
His son is a redhead.
Summer yelled at him eating the pizza.
Mikey is excitable.
Summer is verbal.
The children are hard on a home.
He only smoked marijuana once.
Joey had "drug days"

And on and on he went with the verbal dirrahea, yet never thought to mention him having permission to write himself checks.

And he told LE that Joey gave him those checks at lunch. The same checks he himself created on the 5th, and backdated and deleted.

 

[Tortoise]

So it looks like they are going to highlight Chase's big gambling problem by using bank and phone records, showing the many casinos he visited, and the frequency. And the amount of hours in the casino on a visit.

I think that is important because no one can understand why someone would steal and kill. Only a desperate person would do that. And heavy gambling can make someone desperate, IMO>

Yes and we've already heard how it affected his work too, about a month before the murders, not showing up so they had to fill in for him. He was in a downwards spiral by all accounts.

 

[Mony Mony]

Economical bigotry! That's a new one! You ought to trademark that!

 

[katydid23]

cross coming after lunch.
No doubt the DT is gong to argue that just because the cell pinged at the tower by Pechanga or San Manuel, it doesn't mean Chase was actually in that casino gambling.

 

[A lucas]

Then why not remove the DNA? Why not wear surgical gloves?

And how possibly could he have anticipated where and in what amounts his DNA would be found?

He knew where it would be found because he drove the trooper to the border.

Maybe he did wear gloves but that wouldn’t mean he didn’t wipe away sweat or scratch his head during the journey.

Or maybe he didn’t wear gloves and just didn’t do a great clean up job, after all he would have been in rather a hurry! Not quite the same as having 5 days to clean a house under the cover of darkness...

 

[JMarsh]

Economical bigotry! That's a new one! You ought to trademark that!

Just to be clear I didn't write "economical bigotry". That would be bigotry that was indulged in, in an efficient manner.

Economic bigotry-a bias against those struggling financially. Chase is like many Americans just post, the 2008 economic melt-down.

And the spike in his February income probably matches Joey's. We'll see when the defense presents their analysis, but those working with Metro Sheet Metal also mentioned that things were just starting to look up economically at the start of 2010.

 

[cobalt sky]

Transcription of Motion Hearing 6th Feb 2019 - regarding the admissibility of testimony of Scott Jay Weitzman, forensic accountant

[13.54]


JM: Let me correct a couple of things that Mr Maline just said. One, we’re inferring what they’re going to testify to because they’ve offered no written opinion as to what he’s actually going to say. We’re just guessing at this point, but that may not be right because they didn’t actually write what his opinion is, second, they haven’t provided us they just called us now that Michael Neal (sp.?) with the District Attorney’s Office […] I work with reviewed everything wrote reports provided to their expert – they didn’t provide those to us. So they provided information to their expert that they didn’t provide us. So we would like those. If he made any opinions that were shared with their expert Mr Weitzman we would like those. We would like all the information that his expert relied upon. We haven’t received those yet. The stuff that, the opinions that Mr Maline is inferring from the reports we don’t have anything like that in writing, our expert gave a detailed opinionated report saying what I found and here’s the evidence that supports it. So there’s a distinction between what’s been given and what’s been received. And I don’t want the court getting the impression that we know what their opinions going to be, because they won’t provide it.

J: Will you provide either a report or a summary of the conclusions to be offered by Mr Weitzman?

MR: I will be more than happy to print out the information that we have provided to the defense that details his findings. He didn’t write a separate report he gave us graphs and then he has charts which I will be more than happy for the court to look at – they are very simple and very explanatory in terms of what they are and they are based solely on the defendant’s bank records.

. [27.13]

RSBM @Tortoise thank you for taking the time to post this.

It's telling to me that the pros feels the need to resort to stunts like these. We saw the same thing with Dr. Rudin. Graphs and charts are great evidence but what are they worth without a WRITTEN conclusion by an expert supported by procedure and facts?

When a physician consults a specialist for their patient, the specialist will usually order his own diagnostics in order to assess the patient. When the specialist receives the reports of those diagnostic tests, assessments, procedures, etc., he doesn't just send those reports back to the consulting physician to figure out for himself, regardless of whether the consulting physician is capable of that or not. The specialist will review all of the data and come up with his conclusion. He will then sometimes in person or via phone discuss with the consulting physician, but he will ALWAYS dictate a written report of what he did to assess the patient as a specialist in that particular practice and then offer his conclusions and often recommendations for that client.

One would also expect, when the pros or defense hires an expert, that once the expert reviews the evidence, the expert would then offer a written summary of his conclusions with an explanation of how he came to his conclusions. I do realize that things are likely not as rigid as they are in the medical profession. However imo why hire an expert if they aren't going to formally document their expert opinion, in writing? I can think of one reason... to leave the door open for alternate interpretation down the line. Perhaps this is a common tactic in trials but I was expecting better from this prosecution to be honest. We were told years ago that the pros have a solid case against Merritt, and that they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. So why so shady?

 

[JMarsh]

He knew where it would be found because he drove the trooper to the border.

Maybe he did wear gloves but that wouldn’t mean he didn’t wipe away sweat or scratch his head during the journey.

Or maybe he didn’t wear gloves and just didn’t do a great clean up job, after all he would have been in rather a hurry! Not quite the same as having 5 days to clean a house under the cover of darkness...

Yes. But if Chase knew about DNA so well he could anticipate a "transfer-DNA" defense, he would also know that the amount of DNA he would leave, even the locations, would be uncertain.

The only real certainty he could have that he would leave no DNA is if he was careful, wore surgical gloves and wiped down the car in bleach.

 

[Edmo]

Well that's you. We have to look at what is standard for Chase. Chase forgot his home address in that Feb. 2010 interview. He forgot Metro's address. And he couldn't recall exactly what he was doing on the 8th. My guess, there is some memory issue there-perhaps due to medication or even age. Or stress.

Clearly, there would be no reason to lie about not knowing his address.

Unless you had a Felony Warrant for your arrest and didn't want to give LE a roadmap to your home.

 

[katydid23]

Jury dismissed-
State now angry at defense, complaining to judge, about McGee saying that DA Rodriquez committed MISCONDUCT. And saying so in front of jury.

judge: It is true that that should not be brought up in front of the jury...

[big long animated discussion between both sides and the judge concerning various upcoming issues ...the cell phone info that comes in after lunch was discussed to clarify what is in and what is out]