Sunshine6812
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Agreed 100%When its your kid, you don't worry about yourself. You take a polygraph so you can ensure they put their attention in the right place.
Agreed 100%When its your kid, you don't worry about yourself. You take a polygraph so you can ensure they put their attention in the right place.
Bed sheets would have been a good startMaybe there was no evidence to collect.
Yes. It’s not that they don’t care or that there is corruption (though many believe its corruption). It’s that they aren’t equipped. Nothing happens there and they have trouble retaining officers to begin with. The ones they do have are hired from another area, some who live in Nevada.So just in general that they can't handle it? That's possible. But the FBI and NCMEC were involved fairly early on.
Clearly mom foes indeed feel the investigation is being handled poorly.
Yes. All 3 parents were administered polygraphsDo we have actual confirmation that the FBI polygraphed them, other than their affirmative answer on Dr. Phil?
This is what happened.
Cadaver dogs or tracking dogs? Seems there would be a difference.No, only at the front of the home and down the road until highway 6
Not going to quote your whole post because I just want to reiterate what others have said- you cannot make statements like this here. This is what happened IN YOUR OPINION. None of us, not a single person here, knows for a fact exactly what happened that night/morning. You can state your opinion all you want, but you must say that this is your opinion. Please stop saying things as "facts" because it will get this thread shut down. I'm worried that's already going to happen very shortly.
Cadaver dogs or tracking dogs? Seems there would be a difference.
Sunshine, I urge you to become a VI in this case as it seems you have inside info. If you become verified, you can post without having to back up with links. TIA
Good question. I keep hearing from her how they searched endlessly (she and dad), and never stopped and pounded the pavement. But a meander? Dr. Phil made a huge point of getting her to describe hat casual stroll.
Really great points. To me her behavior sounds like someone who ingested or smoked waaay too much pot and is exhibiting paranoia and mild hallucinations, which can happen. Like you I have experienced it.
However, whether to much pot or hallucinogen you don't OD from that.
You can OD from heroin though. A dear friend of mine did OD a few times. He lived behind me and then with me at various times and I remember him coming over and saying. "I'm scared I think I'm going to die." (He eventually did die in ny house, ironically while detoxing). But there's no paranoia or hallucination with that.
I wonder about MDMA/Molly. I'm not that familiar. I know some kids die from dehydration or too much water.
It doesn't sound like what happens with too much meth either. That would be rapid heart rate. Super pale. Shock. Heart pain. Racing pulse.
No one is lying down with that or eating salad.
Of course if a person has an underlying medical condition like a heart issue, anything can trigger a sudden episode maybe? So a person could get super high and maybe die because they get scared or whatever and their heart can't take it because there's a defect maybe?
I don't know.
Something in my gut tells me these parents were very angry about her lying and getting high. I have the instinct that they've used or do use and some people who do so can react super harshly to that behavior in their kids for some reason.
It's kind of like, "See, I may be an alcoholic or drug user but don't tell ME I'm a bad parent! I KNOW how to discipline MY kids." And hen they punish them harshly to tu to prove that their own failings don't make them a bad parent.
I don't know how to explain it. It's like those sort of crummy parents in the store or restaurant who make a big, loud show of "parenting" their kids because they want everyone to think they're great parents. And it's always horrible. "What did I tell you Dylan Lee! Get your butt over here!"
I'm not explaining well. Sometimes people with personal faults are the harshest with their own kids. It's like they feel they have to prove they're not crummy.
In any event, there were several things that indicated to me that the parents were very angry with Karlie. One, how the SM pointedly stated "Karlie LIED" about going to a game. She practically sneered that word. To me it showed an antipathy about Karlie. Negative feelings toward her step daughter.
For an admitted liar herself, she seemed to really relish calling her step daughter out, IMO and was very offended by the lie.
Two, the parents discussed how pot smoking had become an issue with Karlie and she was undergoing counseling or some kind of school discipline because of it. So this wasn't a random or one time thing.
Three, Karlie reportedly sat in the back seat when her SM picked her up and expressed fear that her step mom would "kill" her.
Four, according to people who had heard t, Karlie repeatedly apologizes in the tape.
Five, IIRC, (and correct me if I'm wrong), dad said at some point that during the evening, Karlie was standing in a corner either saying she was sorry or saying she was scared of dad and SM.
Six, the SM secretly recorded Karlie to "show" her how she had been acting. I feel like she was gathering evidence to punish her. It's a theory and opinion only.
Seven, while the SM felt the incident was serious enough to want to record it in some fashion, she didn't take Karlie to the ER. She wanted to handle this herself.
Eight, the lies, changed stories, duper's delight, laughing and giggling and nonchalance of this couple about the disappearance of the kid they had custody of, is disturbing and makes no sense. Unless they were super angry, and something happened.
The theory that she was kicked out and something happened is a good one to me. It would explain a lot and match up with what we know.
Yes. It’s not that they don’t care or that there is corruption (though many believe its corruption). It’s that they aren’t equipped. Nothing happens there and they have trouble retaining officers to begin with. The ones they do have are hired from another area, some who live in Nevada.
I wonder the same?! Haven’t heard anything from ANYONE at that party, and I’d be interested in hearing what they have to say. I’m sure LE has spoken to them but it seems they are keeping it close to the vest. Possibly because of the drug usage involved?! But if it was just MJ, it wouldn’t really matter, as isn’t CA a legal recreational state? They were underage, though ... Right?
I agree with you about the meth. Her symptoms match perfectly IMO. If it was laced with anything, my first guess would be that. LSD wouldn’t withstand the heat, like you said.
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Whiskers
@kaykay543 I think her taking something on top of smoking the MJ is very possible. I actually believe that’s what happened now IMO. Don’t think anything was “laced” anymore. Whatever was in her system I think she ingested orally and I agree that the best bet is LSD (thinking she had a “bad trip”). I’ve been around plenty of people on LSD alone (and LSD + MJ) and they all have exhibited those same symptoms: severe paranoia, inability to calm down and sleep, severe anxiety, constantly thinking something’s wrong, thinking they will die, hallucinating, etc. Especially if they did LSD for the first time. You never know the potency or how you will react to that stuff. It does add up. Good point.
I’ve been following, and I am also now thinking this looks like a bad LSD trip. I also think she could have taken it separately from smoking MJ. Maybe most people at the party didn’t even know—could have been just her and one other person or just her alone. She could have had it and decided this was the day or whatever.
You can have a really bad “panic attack” from getting too high on MJ, but IMO it’s typically from edibles and it usually goes away quicker than that and would NOT keep you up all night.
It’s just such a mystery of what happened to her that morning though. So strange.
I could see LSD being a possibility, if taken separately. Particularly if everyone else smoked the same MJ. I guess I was leaning towards meth as it seems to be more readily available these days.
I can't seem to find any reason, outside of an accident, that SM and BD would harm KG. I am not getting it.
I don't think a drug OD in the home is plausible. If the drugs were consumed at a party that the parents did not even know she was attending, why cover it up?
No, only at the front of the home and down the road until highway 6
Agreed 100%