Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #8

[Gemmie]

I watched the retrieval live and did not see the vehicle being turned right side up. Do you have the link for that video handy or do you remember which one showed that? Thanks.t

AWP didn't retrieve the vehicle so they don't have vid of that. They simply found it and flagged it with a bright red buoy. LE did the retrieval and doubt they took vid of it. I can't think of a reason they'd want to video that.

 

[Beekarina]

I just had a thought... if the diver started at the rear of the vehicle, then moved around to the front driver's window... it seems odd that he didn't mention seeing her in the rear of the vehicle when he confirmed he found her car (due to the license plate). Because she was visible when he went back there to look for her. Just sayin'.

So, not wanting to restart that she was under the cargo cover (because lots have stated this car didn't have one, but even if it did, I seriously doubt she'd be under it and ON TOP OF it instead)... but my thinking is he saw her (cuz you know he had to take a little peekiepoo through the window. I for darn sure would have if I was at that part of the car. My belief is he waited to mention it for dramatic suspense for the video. Then again, he could have seen her, stated he did, and they simply cut that part out to keep it for last. But after watching that part of the vid for the Nth time... it struck me that he hadn't mentioned seeing her where she was found, when he was at that area first.

I've never watched any of their other videos... but for those that have, is this something it appears that they do? Show the video in such a way that a person found in the car is always visible thru the last window they look through? Or have they ever swam down to the "money shot" window first, and said they saw whomever they were searching for, before circling the car and looking in all the other windows?

My opinion: Diver Nick wasn't looking for her in the cargo area. The hatch window was somewhat obscured with silt and stuff...not just the blurring out done in the editing. He was expecting to find her in the driver's seat, or maybe the back seat as he made his way around the vehicle.

 

[Gemmie]

The passenger window was down/broken out when AWP Diver Nick was in the water with the vehicle.

Some people have speculated AWP broke the window out with their magnet. I think this is EXTREMELY unlikely.
If you watch the video when you have time, you can see Doug from AWP lower the magnet onto the car. He has a lot f experience. He isn't wildly swinging/casting something around in a way that would cleanly and completely smash out a window, IMO.

I'm with you. I can't imagine being able to swing a magnet in water with enough force to break a window. On land, yes, but you get drag in water. For instance... you can move your arms and legs on land a LOT faster than you can move them in water.

Anyone know how large and heavy their magnet is?

 

[Beekarina]

They are popular here in British Columbia Canada. They are sweeter than nude or Nutrl. (Not sure if that’s a thing in USA) and sweeter than white claws. They are sweetened with sucralose. They are low calorie. In theory, you could add hard liquor to it and it would’nt taste too strong hence the sweetness.

I'm going to conduct an experiment, and try a couple this weekend. Wish me luck, and if my posts suddenly become more animated, well....

On a serious note, it sounds like the seltzers could really be problematic in terms of teens and rapid intoxication.

I think an excellent point was made a few posts ago about it seeming a bit odd Kiely would suddenly decide to get trashed after telling her mom she was heading home AND having early morning plans. 9 am and camping after a big party where you're "effed up" sounds...ambitious to me, but I'm so far removed from 16/17.

It would be nice if we knew the type of camping, and if these friends were also at the party.

 

[Beekarina]

I'm with you. I can't imagine being able to swing a magnet in water with enough force to break a window. On land, yes, but you get drag in water. For instance... you can move your arms and legs on land a LOT faster than you can move them in water.

Anyone know how large and heavy their magnet is?

I mean, all of the AWP guys look pretty rugged, but when I watched the video with this possibility in mind, I can't see it? It looks like Doug drops a magnet down, and does this by "feel". If he can feel subtle variations in types of metal--new car vs older, I would think he would be like "Ohhhh , I just broke a window." Nothing on his face registers like this, IMO.

 

[Lillymac]

AWP didn't retrieve the vehicle so they don't have vid of that. They simply found it and flagged it with a bright red buoy. LE did the retrieval and doubt they took vid of it. I can't think of a reason they'd want to video that.

I know. I saw the very first live showing of AWP locating the car. The events before all the videos. The post I was quoting stated that there was a video of the retrieval by LE and it showed the car being uprighted. That has been stated a few times and I would like to see that video. No video by anyone that I have seen shows the car actually being uprighted.

 

[Speculaytor]

Here is the thing, if one supplies a minor with alcohol/drugs and then let's that minor drive to their death, they face manslaughter charges at least. LE has a LEGAL duty to make every effort to identify who supplied Kiely with alcohol/drugs if indeed the toxicology report warrants such. Therefore, we have a crime scene that should have been secured and searched, and things such as laptop found by LE (IMHOO).

 

[youngsleuther]

the toxicology report will be released along with the autopsy only right?

 

[RedHaus]

My opinion: Diver Nick wasn't looking for her in the cargo area. The hatch window was somewhat obscured with silt and stuff...not just the blurring out done in the editing. He was expecting to find her in the driver's seat, or maybe the back seat as he made his way around the vehicle.

Yes, @Beekarina and @Gemmie, I watched the Duty Ron Youtuber video posted yesterday on p.33 of this thread, #657.

<modsnip> it is informative and includes interviews with Nick the AWP diver, Barbara a former NYPD medical examiner chief of staff (not a physician herself), and the hosts are two former NYPD detectives. So the group of four were fairly well informed and had a pretty good grasp of the same facts we have.

Nick described how he found the body in the car. It was not through the big hatch window where he initially was when he confirmed the license plate. There was too much silt and algae on it he said. And it was dark. The detectives later coached him that he shouldn't have used his gloved hand to wipe away the muck as that could be tampering with evidence.

What Nick said in that Duty Ron video is that he came around the back passenger area and saw shoes down lower - near the top of the car since it was upside down. Then he made his way around the back - per my note above. And finally he went around to the rear on the drivers side and saw legs going up towards the top of the overturned vehicle. That would mean the body's torso / head were at the bottom of the back hatch. The group discussed that. Barbara thought if the body was in the water for two weeks, the resultant bloating in the torso (from decomposition) would cause the torso to rise.

In a later point in the video, the two detectives were keen on the 'strap' hanging out of the bottom of the hatch that some of us saw in video. And they asked Nick if he saw that. He did not, but he also said he was not taking in many details.

Some of us suspect foul play and have considered whether KR's body was strapped into the back hatch to keep it from floating out of the car and discovered. The hypothetically consequent position of KR's body could then also fit what Nick described in the Duty Ron video: torso / head at the bottom of the hatch (top in overturned car).

IMO, etc.
ET: fix typo and clarify last paragraph

 

[RedHaus]

I know. I saw the very first live showing of AWP locating the car. The events before all the videos. The post I was quoting stated that there was a video of the retrieval by LE and it showed the car being uprighted. That has been stated a few times and I would like to see that video. No video by anyone that I have seen shows the car actually being uprighted.

Well, what can I say @Lillymac is this is a complex case with 8 threads of thousands of posts. I know its hard to catch up and read through all those posts, but I encourage anyone coming in or coming in and out of these discussions to do that.

I can tell you there is a very long video taken, I believe by an MSM drone, during the 6+ hour recovery period on 8/21. I suggest you find that video. Perhaps use the search function, or go back to posts in the 8/21 time frame.

AWP found the car upside down (likely on its hood and not roof per discussions here) around noon and notified LE and family. It was dusk as the sun was setting when the car was finally pulled out right side up, by the FBI.

In that video, which has been posted many times, there is a point when some here can tell the car is being flipped over under water by the tow truck (the red buoy bounces around and there are ripples) perhaps by a cable secured by divers.

That is why many here also believe the drivers side window was broken (after AWP found the car) to secure a cable. That could also explain the damage to the drivers door and side view mirror, which underwater do not appear damaged.

All IMO.

 

[JRW]

I don't know, when I was that age I was a huge partier. My friends and I would be her size and we would routinely drink a 6 pack of Smirnoff before even heading out to the party and there we could finish another. Teens that party have super high tolerances lol

I would agree to this...when I was 16 I was 50 lbs lighter than I am now and still had a mich higher tolerance for alcohol...on thw other hand just a thought I want to throw out there...as easily as keily could have been drink it would have been just as easy for her to fake being drunk so that she would seem "cool" to.the older kids especially since she was a tad younger than most of the seniors....during parties with extreme peer pressure when I was younger I can remember occasionally dumping out drinks when in the bathroom or outside when Noone was looking, not taking as big of drinks out of the cup etc...especially if a party was getting uncomfortable and I was trying to sober up to leave but didn't want to draw attention to the fact that i wanted to get out of there

 

[jbennett]

TBH, Truly's are not any different for this generation than Mike's Hard Lemonades and Smirnoff Ice was for mine. And I agree with PP, you can mix anything with vodka but I think this group would have been more likely to mix the alcohol with other drugs, which would also explain the rapid intoxication. Heck, when I smoke a cigarette while drinking it hits me harder.

 

[Speculaytor]

Here is the thing, if one supplies a minor with alcohol/drugs and then let's that minor drive to their death, they face manslaughter charges at least. LE has a LEGAL duty to make every effort to identify who supplied Kiely with alcohol/drugs if indeed the toxicology report warrants such. Therefore, we have a crime scene that should have been secured and searched, and things such as laptop found by LE (IMHOO).

Since I am too late to edit, I'll correct myself here. It looks like it would not be manslaughter in CA. In CA, the law treats this as a misdemeanor with fine and 6 months to 1 year in jail. If you provide a minor with alcohol and they then cause great bodily harm or death to themselves, or someone else it is a misdemeanor. I would imagine one could also sue in civil court for wrongful death.

 

[Beekarina]

I would agree to this...when I was 16 I was 50 lbs lighter than I am now and still had a mich higher tolerance for alcohol...on thw other hand just a thought I want to throw out there...as easily as keily could have been drink it would have been just as easy for her to fake being drunk so that she would seem "cool" to.the older kids especially since she was a tad younger than most of the seniors....during parties with extreme peer pressure when I was younger I can remember occasionally dumping out drinks when in the bathroom or outside when Noone was looking, not taking as big of drinks out of the cup etc...especially if a party was getting uncomfortable and I was trying to sober up to leave but didn't want to draw attention to the fact that i wanted to get out of there

This is an interesting point.

Since I'm assuming none of us currently posting knew her personally (there are no verified insiders that I'm aware of), we have no verifiable knowledge of how common partying or alcohol consumption were.

She may have drank previously, called home for a ride previously, all things I remember seeing mentioned earlier in the thread, but we don't know what that actually means.

When people spoke about Kiely in MSM, they describe someone who sounds independent and intelligent, but anyone can be swayed by peer pressure, or simply wanting to experiment. Young people can be impulsive, so it's possible she decided to "cut loose" and try something she hadn't done previously.

If many of the party attendees were heading off to college very soon, I think it's fair to say they viewed themselves as adults, (many legally were) and their parents probably did as well when it came to curfews and prying for details. I think we have all looked back during this discussion and remembered a few nights as late teens young adults when we did some incredibly stupid things. I barely partied at that age, and there were still a couple of really, really stupid split second things I did that could have killed myself or someone else, had luck been different. Would have made zero sense to anyone trying to sort out the "whys" either.

Ugh!

 

[cvaldez1975]

I'm going to conduct an experiment, and try a couple this weekend. Wish me luck, and if my posts suddenly become more animated, well....

On a serious note, it sounds like the seltzers could really be problematic in terms of teens and rapid intoxication.

I think an excellent point was made a few posts ago about it seeming a bit odd Kiely would suddenly decide to get trashed after telling her mom she was heading home AND having early morning plans. 9 am and camping after a big party where you're "effed up" sounds...ambitious to me, but I'm so far removed from 16/17.

It would be nice if we knew the type of camping, and if these friends were also at the party.

speculation: she had those plans. but she drank earlier and her judgement was impaired (we dont make the best choices when intox) and figured she would sober up but then continued to make poor choices.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Here is the thing, if one supplies a minor with alcohol/drugs and then let's that minor drive to their death, they face manslaughter charges at least. LE has a LEGAL duty to make every effort to identify who supplied Kiely with alcohol/drugs if indeed the toxicology report warrants such. Therefore, we have a crime scene that should have been secured and searched, and things such as laptop found by LE (IMHOO).

in cali supplying alcohol to minor is a misdemeanor, and if tghey cant prove that adult was present when she was drinking it then they cant prove intent of anything i think.

 

[LooksSusToMe]

Elevation could play a factor. 5,817′ for Truckee. I know people who grew up in Tahoe who still felt effects of altitude. It never bothered me, but I tend to think it could perhaps have an affect on someone’s reaction to alcohol.

I brought up the fact her car still had all that paraphernalia and the Truly can. Even if her parents were ok with her drinking - which I doubt is the case - you would be scared of getting pulled over. Doesn’t make sense that she was on her way home with all that.

LE flipped the car over underwater without netting up the open windows. They broke the mirror and driver’s side window upon retrieval. AWP said they would have secured the open windows and pulled the car on land then flip it.

 

[ss90]

I just had a thought... if the diver started at the rear of the vehicle, then moved around to the front driver's window... it seems odd that he didn't mention seeing her in the rear of the vehicle when he confirmed he found her car (due to the license plate). Because she was visible when he went back there to look for her. Just sayin'.

So, not wanting to restart that she was under the cargo cover (because lots have stated this car didn't have one, but even if it did, I seriously doubt she'd be under it and ON TOP OF it instead)... but my thinking is he saw her (cuz you know he had to take a little peekiepoo through the window. I for darn sure would have if I was at that part of the car. My belief is he waited to mention it for dramatic suspense for the video. Then again, he could have seen her, stated he did, and they simply cut that part out to keep it for last. But after watching that part of the vid for the Nth time... it struck me that he hadn't mentioned seeing her where she was found, when he was at that area first.

I've never watched any of their other videos... but for those that have, is this something it appears that they do? Show the video in such a way that a person found in the car is always visible thru the last window they look through? <modsnip>

In an interview with cant remember which youtuber Nick stated he couldn see through the hatch window, hence the swipe with his hand when he was going behind the car the second time. What I understood was that he didnt see much of Kiely from the sides either, just enough to state there is a body.

 

[Beekarina]

speculation: she had those plans. but she drank earlier and her judgement was impaired (we dont make the best choices when intox) and figured she would sober up but then continued to make poor choices.

Definitely possible.

Impulsivity in that age group too is a big factor. I'm remembering some of the choices I made around her age that could have gone very differently.

<modsnip>

 

[Speculaytor]

in cali supplying alcohol to minor is a misdemeanor, and if tghey cant prove that adult was present when she was drinking it then they cant prove intent of anything i think.

Yes.You are absolutely right, except they don't have to prove intent. One just has to supply the minor with the alcohol, and if that minor then causes great bodily harm, or death, to themselves or someone else, the person supplying the alcohol can be charged with a misdemeanor. It includes a fine and 6 months-1 yr in jail, in CA anyway. I tried to edit my post, too late. I corrected it down the thread.