Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #6 *both parents arrested/charged*

[rosesfromangels]

She has said this here before and I believe she is referring to human trafficking.

I don’t think there’s been any evidence yet to suggest thats a lead but at this point who knows JMO

I’m not aligned to one particular speculation, except I don’t think this was an accident, and I do suspect some sort of monetary gain. Like everyone else, I don’t know who the Perps are, but I think LE is moving quickly. Let’s pray so.

All I do know is that there are a lot of very determined people working hard towards justice. It’s heartwarming to see citizens literally applauding LE coming in from a day of searching. People care about these two little guys!

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[MoeInVA]

They are all siblings, four of them are adopted and two of them are biological. That is in regards to the parents, not to each other. My understanding is that there are three sets of siblings, Orson and Orrin are biologically related to each other but not to the rest of the children in the home.

Agree with this 100%.

While there have been conflicting reports on whether one pair of siblings was foster versus adopted, I believe Perla Shaheen at KGET and Cal City PD tried to correct the record on the foster vs adopted question shortly after the protest at Kern County DHS. This updated report also came AFTER the two interviews (in close succession) where the CCPD Chief said he thought that a pair of siblings were foster siblings (which I believe was incorrect).

So Perla’s new summary report states that in addition to O and O there are two biological children and two other adopted children. She even had a graphic made. JMO- I think this corrects the chiefs prior statements that the other two were foster children.

Adding a screenshot of the graphic I referenced above as an attachment or you can view in context for yourself around the 3:50 mark at the link below:

Personally, I believe foster versus adopted is of little significance to O and O's whereabouts anyway. However as we discussed upthread, if the Wests did have foster children, Kern County DHS would still be responsible for an active oversight role and there should have been records of interactions with social workers, a home study at the new CC house with all occupants present etc. If that were the case, there definitely would be more accountability questions for Kern County DHS.

But I believe that the West family statement and the KGET report on 2/22 with the graphic are the accurate accounts: 4 adopted, 2 biological (and zero foster children). JMO.

 

[anniejanet]

Can you expound on that? Which trail? Who's trail?
Half the time I feel like if you're not following these cases in the dumpster fires of social media or the randos of youtubery, you have no idea what folks are insinuating here.

The youtube "coverage" of this has taken on a life of its own. People are adding Orrin and Orson to their tube titles for views. I clicked on one today where O&O weren't even mentioned.

 

[mickey2942]

I am interested in why the police went all out on a search in the specific area. Was it based on cell data? A specific tip?

Since the search was in an area, a field, that looks like dumping routinely occurs in that area, it seems like the focus of the investigation at this point in time is body recovery.

Why this specific area?

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Updated.

Orrin and Orson West -CA-

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am interested in why the police went all out on a search in the specific area. Was it based on cell data? A specific tip?

Since the search was in an area, a field, that looks like dumping routinely occurs in that area, it seems like the focus of the investigation at this point in time is body recovery.

Why this specific area?

I know as much as you do, but I would speculate it must have been a pretty credible tip.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[mickey2942]

I know as much as you do, but I would speculate it must have been a pretty credible tip.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Yeah, the photographs show a significant number of LEO checking the entire area very thoroughly. They were all in a line/formation doing the search.

Must be some pretty credible sources. Too bad they did not find anything.

 

[Beans]

I can’t get past the fact that two of them went missing and the two are biologically related brothers. It has to be relevant. I’m trying to think over scenarios:

* neglect - it’s not uncommon for specific kids to be repeatedly singled out for different treatment

* harm arising in a situation when they’re separated from the other four. TW mentioned in his interview that they had dropped the other kids off but kept O&O back because they’re “too young”. Perhaps they often spent time separate from the other 4 brothers thereby increasing the opportunity for incidents that might only affect them

* age - they’re the youngest two. Could it be that treatment or a situation involving all of the siblings had a more significant impact on them because they’re so young?

* were they perhaps adopted for someone else? (Yes, I know. It gets a little wild now.) Could they have been passed to someone else rather than ‘sold’ as such? Is it also possible that these people then disappeared leaving them without any reasonable means of explaining where they’d gone or who they’re with without implicating themselves in something shady?

I also wonder if it’s possible that something happened and the APs felt they were unable to obtain medical treatment or similar because doing so might have exposed them or their situation in some way.

I can’t shake the feeling that there’s very good reasons why so few people are capable of saying they saw them or knew them.

All (very) amateur speculation and MOO. Of course.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I hope somone cracks,and spills the beans STAT.

 

[Number8]

Yeah, the photographs show a significant number of LEO checking the entire area very thoroughly. They were all in a line/formation doing the search.

Must be some pretty credible sources. Too bad they did not find anything.

We don’t know they didn’t find anything. They just didn’t find the boys.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am interested in why the police went all out on a search in the specific area. Was it based on cell data? A specific tip?

Since the search was in an area, a field, that looks like dumping routinely occurs in that area, it seems like the focus of the investigation at this point in time is body recovery.

Why this specific area?

They may have been following through with previous tips or evidence found in relation to search warrants. They said they had executed about 20 warrants as a supporting agency. They have more personnel and more resources than Cal City police so that might explain the large police presence. They probably have had a lot of new tips since they became the lead agency. Imo

 

[Jo in Calif]

“I get it these guys believe their trying to make a difference and trying to help us out, but it appears to me that they’re just fighting with each other,” said Jon Walker, Chief of Police in California City.

One YouTuber, Doug Hutton, accused the neighbor of the adoptive parents in California City of being connected to the boys’ disappearance. That neighbor then put pictures of Hutton all over the adoptive parents’ house along with a banner asking “Doug Hutton, Where are the boys?” On Friday, Hutton saw the postings and took them down
Rumors around Orrin and Orson West case lead to fighting among community members, one arrest | KGET 17

 

[MsBetsy]

“I get it these guys believe their trying to make a difference and trying to help us out, but it appears to me that they’re just fighting with each other,” said Jon Walker, Chief of Police in California City.

One YouTuber, Doug Hutton, accused the neighbor of the adoptive parents in California City of being connected to the boys’ disappearance. That neighbor then put pictures of Hutton all over the adoptive parents’ house along with a banner asking “Doug Hutton, Where are the boys?” On Friday, Hutton saw the postings and took them down
Rumors around Orrin and Orson West case lead to fighting among community members, one arrest | KGET 17

Sounds like there's more drama going on between Youtubers and the community than anyone involved with the case.

What a waste of LE's time. Chief Walker has been very patient throughout all of this.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I try and keep the Case Archive authentic and without obvious mistakes.

Buttttt.... the pic in the article is not the youtuber mentioned in the article. Or am I wrong? I am not in the circle with youtube and fb stuff lately.

 

[Knox]

Sounds like there's more drama going on between Youtubers and the community than anyone involved with the case.
What a waste of LE's time. Chief Walker has been very patient throughout all of this.

I agree. Clearly some of the Youtuber's have lost perspective. The awareness some of them bring to the case is valuable, the rest is only self-promotion and bizarre.
The behavior is embarrassing.

 

[MsBetsy]

I try and keep the Case Archive authentic and without obvious mistakes.

Buttttt.... the pic in the article is not the youtuber mentioned in the article. Or am I wrong? I am not in the circle with youtube and fb stuff lately.

I don't know one from the other. I assumed the big guy in black with the white sneakers is either the Youtuber or the neighbor. (Same guy in your pictures)

 

[anniejanet]

I try and keep the Case Archive authentic and without obvious mistakes.

Buttttt.... the pic in the article is not the youtuber mentioned in the article. Or am I wrong? I am not in the circle with youtube and fb stuff lately.

Doug Hutton wasn't shown there except for his face on the flyer taped to the house.

 

[kshultz06082]

I try and keep the Case Archive authentic and without obvious mistakes.

Buttttt.... the pic in the article is not the youtuber mentioned in the article. Or am I wrong? I am not in the circle with youtube and fb stuff lately.

Yea, the youtuber mentioned is not shown in the video or article anywhere that i saw.

 

[susiQ]

All this business with the Youtubers is utter nonsense. BPD are searching in Bakersfield. There’s a reason for that. These attention seekers need to get a freakin’ life.

 

[Dre]

All this business with the Youtubers is utter nonsense. BPD are searching in Bakersfield. There’s a reason for that. These attention seekers need to get a freakin’ life.

I think some are exhausted, some are very well intentioned, and some just are so selfish. And it’s all a mess now and almost not worth wading through anymore.

with that said, I’m more hopeful than ever that answers are coming, and the switch to BPD was absolutely necessary, and cal city did all they could with all they had. I’ll honestly miss chief walker a little lol

Where are these precious boys? With so much time in question I’m worried about the possibility that they were brought far away (CAS mode, Leticia stauch)
Hopeful they’re able to sort out a couple solid leads asap!
Moo