Found Deceased CA - Philip Kreycik, 37, Pleasanton Ridge Regional Park, 10 Jul 2021

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I still am not convinced he isn't in the park. I know they searched very thoroughly and this is not a knock on any of the searchers, trust me. But there have been other people missing in parks where they thoroughly searched and had no idea how they were missing them, but they did and the person was found weeks or years later. I mentioned a few cases earlier in this thread. The foliage looks dense and even the best of efforts can sometimes miss things.

However, I have not ruled out foul play either; really since they couldn't find him within a week or two of him being missing I started to wonder about foul play. Motive? Absolutely no idea, but weirder things have happened.

I hope neither is true because I hope PK is still with us.
 
Does anyone know how far cadaver dogs can pick up scents? Like how close does it need for be? I only found data that they can find a body 15 ft underground. I am puzzled that professional dogs haven’t found anything yet.
How Soon After Death Can a Cadaver Dog Detect? (+ How Long)

IMO he is not near the trail or in the park

CT posted about the dog issue on the Searching FB site this afternoon. Would be great to see what other's opinions are based on other cases.
 
The one thing the article doesn't address is how far the body needs to be from the dog. Clearly, there's an outer limit. 15 feet underground is impressive, but the dog was led to the area where searchers hoped to find remains.

Cadaver-scent behaves differently in various temperatures (it's cooler under ground, scent lasts longer). Here's a somewhat longer look at how the dogs work:

https://digitalcommons.library.umai...&httpsredir=1&article=1024&context=ant_facpub

Very well trained dogs are 95% effective, but there is very little scientific norming of dogs (some are only 30% effective - to find out, a lab has to investigate using controlled conditions, not every cadaver dog has been through that process). The effectiveness rate refers to finding cadaverine on carpet samples in a closed space. Real world effectiveness is less.

Wind, heat and humidity affect the process (heat and dryness make it more difficult for the dog). In fact, if the dogs have to pant, they cannot also smell at the same time.

As the article above states, scent from a cadaver form a cone-shape (if not a lot of wind). With buried bodies, the scent rises and pools at the top of the resulting cone - which is why the dogs can smell it. If it's very warm or hot, air rises more quickly and the top of the cone is way above the dog's head and if it's windy, then it is dispersed.

None of this works if the dog is not taken to a place near where the body is. In Philip's case, the original trail that SAR teams thought he was on is likely not the trail he took (his friend led the search this weekend - in a different place, but they are not SAR people and do not have a trained cadaver dog).

The search already done is a "non-focused speculative search" where the investigators have no clue where the body might be - it's potentially hundreds or even thousands of acres. If there were clear boundaries as to where Philip might be, it would be a Type II search, this is a Type III - the most difficult kind.

In this search, some of the places that Philip may have gone were declared off limits by "grumpy" property owners. This is all notable, because Philip is very likely either on the new trail area or near it or perhaps he crossed a fence into private property (which some have said is common enough to get to certain parts of this area).

The article above talks about what happens when an area is too large and the dog works hard, but finds nothing. The dog begins to lose interest/become bored. If Phil's body were located downhill from a ridge and in some brush/area with trees, that area would need to be carefully searched - and there's a lot of that type of terrain there.

Since the new search is in a different area, I would hope that somehow, they could bring in a cadaver dog for that area. However, I do believe this means that the SAR search must resume.

At the very end of that article, it discusses a known case where there were dead bodies that humans could smell - but the dog did not alert on the bodies (only on a piece of fabric and some hair from one of the bodies). Outdoor searches, in short, are complicated by many factors and some researchers think cadaver dogs are only about 30% effective in Type III kinds of searches (where the boundaries of the search are vague).

So I personally believe Phillip is likely to be near where he said he was going to be.

I hope they can bring back the cadaver dogs to the other areas (including the private property) where they've been searching.

A cadaver dog was used yesterday, one of the newspapers featured him and his handler. Your points re: where the body may be and the difficulties posed by the brush/foliage in the ravines are excellent. I believe that CT posted here that one of the private properties was searched by SAR the day after the AMA, so the middle Saturday. Again, nothing was found.
 
A cadaver dog was used yesterday, one of the newspapers featured him and his handler. Your points re: where the body may be and the difficulties posed by the brush/foliage in the ravines are excellent. I believe that CT posted here that one of the private properties was searched by SAR the day after the AMA, so the middle Saturday. Again, nothing was found.

CT replied to someone’s question on whether cadaver dogs have been used on the Facebook page.

CT’s response: SAR is using HRD dogs, however the smell of decay in this area is something you would literally have to be on top of to notice unless it’s windy, in which case it still travels only a short distance.

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I’m having trouble back-tracking to find some of the details. Regarding the timeline between the parcel drop-off before arriving and setting out for his run at 10:46am (per his text to his wife, from CT’s AMA)……I keep seeing references that he dropped the parcel at 9am. Can someone please link a source to this? Could that be an assumption and actually he dropped the parcel off later, en route to the staging area, hence the timeline not being an issue? Or has it been confirmed via video footage that he was definitively at the UPS/parcel drop-off at 9am? I can’t find that 9am in articles, but may be missing it.

thanks for the clarification.
 
From information in the article, PK was not recorded by cameras near exit points leaving the park. I assume this means he wasn't seen walking out of the park on these cameras. But could he have been inside the vehicle of someone else who did exit the park?

This is what I've been thinking as well. He could have gotten into someone else's car, and even if there are traffic cams in the area that capture people in the front seats, he could've been in the back. To me, this is the only theory that would explain why there's such a relatively minimal amount of scent on the trail, no sign of him in the park, and no cams capturing him leaving the area.
 
I’m having trouble back-tracking to find some of the details. Regarding the timeline between the parcel drop-off before arriving and setting out for his run at 10:46am (per his text to his wife, from CT’s AMA)……I keep seeing references that he dropped the parcel at 9am. Can someone please link a source to this? Could that be an assumption and actually he dropped the parcel off later, en route to the staging area, hence the timeline not being an issue? Or has it been confirmed via video footage that he was definitively at the UPS/parcel drop-off at 9am? I can’t find that 9am in articles, but may be missing it.

thanks for the clarification.

Great question!
So far, I was able to find this news article
Volunteers make final widespread effort to find Philip Kreycik | KRON4

However, it doesn’t give a specific time. Instead, it states the following:
Police saw him in surveillance video dropping off a package in Oakland around an hour before his run.
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I’ll keep looking.


This article gives a 9am time, but it’s not for dropping off the package. It states Philip left his home in Berkeley at 9am. Then drove to Oakland to drop off the package before going to Pleasanton Ridge Regional Park for a run. He did arrive; authorities said his car with a cell phone inside it was in the parking lot of the Moller Ranch staging area around 11 a.m.

Mystery over missing runner Philip Kreycik continues as official search efforts end after five days

Using this info:
9:00 Leaves home in Berkeley
10ish Drops package off in Oakland
11ish Arrives in Pleasanton for a run
 
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Just read about one of many hikers missing and found off the trails, heat related. She was found near a home but no one was there. Intuitively, people seek water, but when in trouble, people seek help socially from someone who can call 911 or can help them quick. Boston woman dies while hiking in Arizona

Yes! I was wondering if perhaps he sought help at a residence off of the park for some reason! Maybe a homeowner just hadn't noticed yet or wasn't around.
 
Nothing at the nearby BART station? Does any part of the metro area have a public bike share system?

I'm really not familiar with the Bay Area. I've travelled quite a bit throughout the US, but not in this part of California.


I personally don't think the BART theory is as feasible. In order to get to BART from the trailhead/parking lot, you'd have to walk through that Moller Ranch neighborhood (the quiet, idyllic one where everyone notices everyone else), then out on Foothill, most likely through the Stoneridge Mall area, and then down, on either side of the freeway, on very big/busy streets going east (Dublin Blvd on the north side of 580 is the only one I'm thinking of rn, I think there are mainly industrial parks on the south side). On a Saturday, he'd have to pass tons of people, many huge intersections and probably traffic cams. A shirtless guy isn't necessarily the most common sight, I think people would have remembered seeing him.
 
Are we 100% he was shirtless?

Would a guy running be that unusual in a neighborhood, on a weekend?

I couldn't tell you anything about people biking or running past my house, in a small town yesterday. I know there were people doing both, as there are on any summer day, especially a weekend. But details? Nope.
 
Amazing to me that the cops came out for a grown man being an hour late.
I found some info regarding cameras in the area in this article.
Pleasanton community steps up to support missing runner's family

From this quote in the article, it appears PK's mother, Marcia, stated that he was not recorded by cameras near exit points. Now, whether that includes the parking lot or not, I don't know.

"Kreycik's wallet and cellphone were found undisturbed inside his vehicle, and he was not recorded on any surveillance cameras near exit points in the park. Marcia told the Weekly that nothing about her son's disappearance makes any sense."

If you haven't read this article, I recommend it. There's quite a bit of info in it.
 
Are we 100% he was shirtless?

Would a guy running be that unusual in a neighborhood, on a weekend?

I couldn't tell you anything about people biking or running past my house, in a small town yesterday. I know there were people doing both, as there are on any summer day, especially a weekend. But details? Nope.


You're probably right. But all the cams everywhere? On houses, intersections, BART has cameras everywhere, including the parking lot and streets outside. Maybe the cops just haven't thought to check yet?
 
Amazing to me that the cops came out for a grown man being an hour late.

This still a little strange to me too, honestly. It might be the weather conditions and park location, but still. Their attitude is usually to wait a certain number of hours, especially when a healthy adult man goes missing.
 
Other questions: What time was his virtual work meeting or call that day? Was it a routine thing for him to work on weekends? Or did something urgent come up?

Could he have left his car to do something work-related that took a wrong turn? I'm leaning toward foul play. To me it seems very unlikely he voluntarily disappeared.

And I am now 99% convinced that unless he dramatically changed his hiking route, he is not in the park.

Maybe a PI is needed?

Just my 2 cents.

The work call was mentioned early on, did it ever get clarified by LE or CT or family?
 
Has the existence of a work call been confirmed by anyone PK works with? i.e. Was it a larger conference call type of thing he was scheduled to join, and there would be some type of record of, or was it a more casual reference to something that may or may not have been real?

I would welcome more clarity on this point.
 
Interesting. If he had left the GPS watch behind that also would have stood out by the same reasoning. So is the phone with Strava route a red herring? (speculation only)

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I thought about this too, the idea that the Strava route was a red herring. I'm not convinced. It doesn't seem big or convincing enough to be THE evidence to throw people off the path, IMO (which means nothing, of course). Does anyone know if Philip was in the habit or drawing routes before he ran?
 
Amazing to me that the cops came out for a grown man being an hour late.
I am but I’m not. It could depend on how busy the department was that day. As the wife of a first responder, it’s not unusual for someone to follow up faster if there was a connection (eg maybe they had a friend/mutual acquaintance on the dept). Also (and this may have been mentioned before and I might have missed it) the wife could have called it in as a medical emergency originally. For instance, “my husband is running and I think he’s had a heat stroke and I can’t reach him but I know his location” will almost always bring out the fire dept/paramedics which then in turn might bring out the police. It all depends on how it was called in.
 
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