CA - Rayanna Nail, 10, dies of drug OD, Klamath, 31 July 2009

[OneLostGrl]

in my short (a year and a half) experience with kids in the treatment facility, it was rare for a child that young, but there were three or four that i remember. They'd been swigging alcohol from a younger age, almost always led on by an older sibling.

Some children are very bright and inquisitive, but their environment is so destructive their brightness combines with their depression and pain and they do unimaginable things. Some of the kids will develop a major mental illness when they are older, like schizophrenia, and engage in these bizarre self destructive behaviors even in a good home.

I was shocked at how calculating a little child could be i think it is very rare for a child to be that self possessed, but possible.

Even more likely, the mother is lying to cover her own lack of attention because she herself was impaired in some way by alcohol or drugs and has no memory of anything that happened to the girl that evening. She's covering her own butt. That would be more likely than a little child being that cunning, having that kind of restraint

ita!!

 

[OneLostGrl]

~Respectfully snipped~

Hey Peteygirl! I'm happy to see you on this thread. Also Impatientredhead and One Lost Girl. It sounds as if all 3 of you have different levels of personal experience in this area - which is very helpful to the rest of us.

In your experience at the treatment facility - did you see children as young as 9/10? If so, was it common within the facility or, generally speaking, were the kids older?

Like many sleuths here, I grew up around drugs, and I was pretty street wise at the age of 10 - but I never thought about doing drugs until I was older. Not much older, mind you, but not till I was 12 or 13. I knew about drugs and could speak the lingo and once I even told a story about taking "reds" (can you tell how old I am :crazy, but the story was a lie. I don't remember any of my friends actually taking any drugs either. Most of what we knew came from older siblings and related to the illegal drug world. I am not familiar with folks that have become addicted to legal drugs.

I do have a hard time believing that this young girl of 10 stole Grandma's pills, came home, waited for dinner, ate dinner, played cards and then went to bed BEFORE she took the pills. Wouldn't that require a lot of restraint on the part of a 10-year? Then, according to mom, at some point she wakes up not feeling good.

Why didn't mom ask her why she was feeling bad if mom knew she was prone to steal drugs and had been to Grandma's where, apparently, drugs were laying around? Mom should have asked immediately when the girl returned if she took any of the drugs AND mom should have followed up when the girl said she didn't feel well and taken her to the hospital at that point.

I'm not believing mom here, not for a minute. Just too pat! Mom knew better if what she says is true.

Salem

IMO, If this mom isn't a drug addict, when her child came home and said gramma is "soma'd out again" with pills all over the place.. given the childs history, that mother would have been over there in a flash dealing with her mother and the situation.

 

[6angels]

I'm in a small community so I don't think anybody local is going to write the editor on this one, but if you all do, it might put enough heat on the authorities to charge the mother. She said enough to the paper to warrant an arrest, IMO.

We had another local case where a 19 yr old girl died after she was ejected from a car she was riding in, the driver was drunk. He got a very fair sentence, six years I think, but her family has been unrelenting in their letters to the editor. Some how they missed the fact that their daughter, an adult, made the decision to ride in a vehicle unrestrained with a drunk driver. She wasn't coerced, held against will, etc. There was no malice on his part, and much of his charge had to do with previous convictions, meaning he was held to a much tighter standard of what is intoxicated. As I've heard around town, his BAL wasn't very high at all and the accident had more to do with being young and stupid. Everyone else in the car just had minor to moderate injuries, of course, they all wore seat belts. They seem to want him to rot in hell for his part, though. (we're talking a kid, he was only 23 or 24 at the time)

He was driving drunk? Got in a Accident and she died ? HE WAS DRUNK. He should of got more then 6 years...... JMO What he did was Murder...... Granted she should of been wearing her seat belt however the blame is with the driver that was drunk. Sorry 23 or 24 years old is not a kid. I'm 30 and I knew at 23/24 years old it was wrong to drink drunk.

 

[6angels]

Ok here is why I think she is being charged . ( this is JMO from dealing with the state as not only a Foster parent( now adoptive parent) but also a foster child.

I believe the state came out and investigated the mom AND the grandma because of the Od's before. I believe the state THEN gave them a "safety plan" they BOTH had to sign. In the plan it included that all drugs be locked up so the child could not get the drugs. OR they spoke to grandma and mom and told them this and they agreed to this.

The drugs was not locked up and the child got into the drugs and died and since this had been a problem before and they had a safety plan to lock the drugs up the grandmother was charged.

When you sign the plan it shows you are aware of the problem and you will do XYZ to correct the problem. If you don't follow the plan KNOWING it's a problem then you are charged with neglict ( and in this case murder as the child has passed away)


The reason Grandma would be investigated by the state is that it happened with her drugs and at her home in the past . The state CAN and DOES make safety plans for grandparents, aunts, uncles etc homes even if the child does not live there if the child is in danger there and in and out of the home. Usually safety plans are done so the child is not taken into foster care and if they was taken into foster care it is done before the child can be sent home.


Again this is just my guess since it said the state has been involved in the past. I am guessing it was not unheard of for the child to go from house to house.They lived in a trailer ( I think I read) and was probley on the same lot or very close by.

IF IF IF IF there is a Safety plan OR the state has told the grandma AND mom all meds needed to be locked up and they was not and they KNEW ( both grandma and mom ) that the child went from home to home then I believe BOTH mom and grandma should be charged.

You throw out the " well it was grandma's house " when grandma knew her grandchild had oded on the drugs before and she knew the grandchild came and went as she pleased. The Drugs should of been locked up PERIOD .No matter what home when they know this is a problem. It was close enough for the child to walk from her home to grandma's home so it must of been close and I bet you anything this child came from the two homes. So yes the grandma should of locked the drugs up.



So I guess in the end I am going against what everyone else thinks. IF they knew and if the child came and went the drugs should of been locked up. I believe mom should be charged as well as she KNEW the child had a problem with taking drugs and she knew her mother had a problem leaving them out. This child was let down by her Grandma, Her mom and the state that should of removed her if not the first time at the very least the second time this happened. The mom SHOULD of walked her child there and never allowed her to go alone and grandma should of locked up her drugs.

 

[impatientredhead]

Ok here is why I think she is being charged . ( this is JMO from dealing with the state as not only a Foster parent( now adoptive parent) but also a foster child.

I believe the state came out and investigated the mom AND the grandma because of the Od's before. I believe the state THEN gave them a "safety plan" they BOTH had to sign. In the plan it included that all drugs be locked up so the child could not get the drugs. OR they spoke to grandma and mom and told them this and they agreed to this.

The drugs was not locked up and the child got into the drugs and died and since this had been a problem before and they had a safety plan to lock the drugs up the grandmother was charged.

When you sign the plan it shows you are aware of the problem and you will do XYZ to correct the problem. If you don't follow the plan KNOWING it's a problem then you are charged with neglict ( and in this case murder as the child has passed away)


The reason Grandma would be investigated by the state is that it happened with her drugs and at her home in the past . The state CAN and DOES make safety plans for grandparents, aunts, uncles etc homes even if the child does not live there if the child is in danger there and in and out of the home. Usually safety plans are done so the child is not taken into foster care and if they was taken into foster care it is done before the child can be sent home.


Again this is just my guess since it said the state has been involved in the past. I am guessing it was not unheard of for the child to go from house to house.They lived in a trailer ( I think I read) and was probley on the same lot or very close by.

IF IF IF IF there is a Safety plan OR the state has told the grandma AND mom all meds needed to be locked up and they was not and they KNEW ( both grandma and mom ) that the child went from home to home then I believe BOTH mom and grandma should be charged.

You throw out the " well it was grandma's house " when grandma knew her grandchild had oded on the drugs before and she knew the grandchild came and went as she pleased. The Drugs should of been locked up PERIOD .No matter what home when they know this is a problem. It was close enough for the child to walk from her home to grandma's home so it must of been close and I bet you anything this child came from the two homes. So yes the grandma should of locked the drugs up.



So I guess in the end I am going against what everyone else thinks. IF they knew and if the child came and went the drugs should of been locked up. I believe mom should be charged as well as she KNEW the child had a problem with taking drugs and she knew her mother had a problem leaving them out. This child was let down by her Grandma, Her mom and the state that should of removed her if not the first time at the very least the second time this happened. The mom SHOULD of walked her child there and never allowed her to go alone and grandma should of locked up her drugs.

I appreciate your position and think you make a good arguement, but in the end I still say this is on mom 100 percent of the way. It is her child and her responsibility. If she lives this close to gma and they are sharing child responsibilities to this level then she knew gma was still using. And I don't care what a drug addict signs from CPS, they don't magically become responsible adults who say I am gonna get narced up but in a way that is safe for my granddaughter.

If mom is clean (and clearly I don't believe that) than she wouldn't have her drug seeking overdosing pre-teen in that home. As you said they live two trailers away. Mom could have gone. Mom could have called to make sure the "responsible adult" would be supervising. And mom sure as hell could have intervened when her kid said their were pills all over. I am sure CPS was notified by mom that gma was not maintaining her meds as agreed? Or this was the very first time it happened since the CPS order, and it just happened to go down this way?

Of course we are just debating mom's story, a story which I think is a total fabrication from beginning to end. But that is just me.

I do agree with you that if Gma is facing charges she should have some company on that bench.

 

[PeteyGirl]

So I guess in the end I am going against what everyone else thinks. IF they knew and if the child came and went the drugs should of been locked up. I believe mom should be charged as well as she KNEW the child had a problem with taking drugs and she knew her mother had a problem leaving them out. This child was let down by her Grandma, Her mom and the state that should of removed her if not the first time at the very least the second time this happened. The mom SHOULD of walked her child there and never allowed her to go alone and grandma should of locked up her drugs.

Not everyone I thought this right away too, because I figured there was a history and previous intervention (not familiar with what that intervention would be tho, as you are).

The mother absolutely should be held equally accountable. She IS, no matter if the courts do not hold her legally accountable. She sort of falls through a crack in the "laws" that can actually be enforced. SHE didn't have the pills strewn about.

SHE was responsible to care for her daughter and did not. She can't be charged with the same crime Grandma was.

People are too creative (barf) in their criminality for all the laws to cover every single possible kind of wrongdoing we are capable of doing.

I sincerely hope Mom is at least charged with negligence, but it might be a long shot with the existing laws. I sure hope not

 

[OneLostGrl]

I appreciate your position and think you make a good arguement, but in the end I still say this is on mom 100 percent of the way. It is her child and her responsibility. If she lives this close to gma and they are sharing child responsibilities to this level then she knew gma was still using. And I don't care what a drug addict signs from CPS, they don't magically become responsible adults who say I am gonna get narced up but in a way that is safe for my granddaughter.

If mom is clean (and clearly I don't believe that) than she wouldn't have her drug seeking overdosing pre-teen in that home. As you said they live two trailers away. Mom could have gone. Mom could have called to make sure the "responsible adult" would be supervising. And mom sure as hell could have intervened when her kid said their were pills all over. I am sure CPS was notified by mom that gma was not maintaining her meds as agreed? Or this was the very first time it happened since the CPS order, and it just happened to go down this way?

Of course we are just debating mom's story, a story which I think is a total fabrication from beginning to end. But that is just me.

I do agree with you that if Gma is facing charges she should have some company on that bench.

I'm with ya! There is no way in he!! the mother should have trusted her own mother to lock up her meds OR her daughter to stay away from them because of the history!

And IMO, The state was neglegent for trusting any of these adults to take care of these children while still using! They should have been made to quit using and had mandatory drug tests but thats just ME!

 

[Kat]

6 Angels you put forth a good arguement in that there may have been a contract drawn up by CPS that may have required the signature of the Mother and the Gma.

I haven't heard of that before, anyone?

I think we would have to know how the contract was worded. What was outlined within the contract that covered behaviors of both the Gma and the Mother. If it wasn't worded exactly right~ then I can see there being one and that given the wording it couldn't be used against the Mother.

I want to see how this plays out before I come to a conclusion about what LE is doing in this case.

I agree this child died because of neglect. On her Mother's part. My heart is very heavy for this child who wasn't cherished enough and just wasn't loved enough. Drugs trumped the day in the adults life's that were in custody of her ~ she was seen as an aside.

But that's my personal opinion and it doesn't count in a court of law.

 

[Marina2]

Ok here is why I think she is being charged . ( this is JMO from dealing with the state as not only a Foster parent( now adoptive parent) but also a foster child.

I believe the state came out and investigated the mom AND the grandma because of the Od's before. I believe the state THEN gave them a "safety plan" they BOTH had to sign. In the plan it included that all drugs be locked up so the child could not get the drugs. OR they spoke to grandma and mom and told them this and they agreed to this.

The drugs was not locked up and the child got into the drugs and died and since this had been a problem before and they had a safety plan to lock the drugs up the grandmother was charged.

When you sign the plan it shows you are aware of the problem and you will do XYZ to correct the problem. If you don't follow the plan KNOWING it's a problem then you are charged with neglict ( and in this case murder as the child has passed away)


The reason Grandma would be investigated by the state is that it happened with her drugs and at her home in the past . The state CAN and DOES make safety plans for grandparents, aunts, uncles etc homes even if the child does not live there if the child is in danger there and in and out of the home. Usually safety plans are done so the child is not taken into foster care and if they was taken into foster care it is done before the child can be sent home.


Again this is just my guess since it said the state has been involved in the past. I am guessing it was not unheard of for the child to go from house to house.They lived in a trailer ( I think I read) and was probley on the same lot or very close by.

IF IF IF IF there is a Safety plan OR the state has told the grandma AND mom all meds needed to be locked up and they was not and they KNEW ( both grandma and mom ) that the child went from home to home then I believe BOTH mom and grandma should be charged.

You throw out the " well it was grandma's house " when grandma knew her grandchild had oded on the drugs before and she knew the grandchild came and went as she pleased. The Drugs should of been locked up PERIOD .No matter what home when they know this is a problem. It was close enough for the child to walk from her home to grandma's home so it must of been close and I bet you anything this child came from the two homes. So yes the grandma should of locked the drugs up.



So I guess in the end I am going against what everyone else thinks. IF they knew and if the child came and went the drugs should of been locked up. I believe mom should be charged as well as she KNEW the child had a problem with taking drugs and she knew her mother had a problem leaving them out. This child was let down by her Grandma, Her mom and the state that should of removed her if not the first time at the very least the second time this happened. The mom SHOULD of walked her child there and never allowed her to go alone and grandma should of locked up her drugs.

Bold by me.

How do we know that the grandmother didn't lock up her pills? They were locked up later that evening but we only have the mother's word that they were locked because she cleaned them up. Maybe they were locked up all along.

I find it hard to believe the mother went to the gma's trailer and locked up the pills yet, at the same time, took no other precautions that evening with regards to her daughter's history of drug overdose.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Bold by me.

How do we know that the grandmother didn't lock up her pills? They were locked up later that evening but we only have the mother's word that they were locked because she cleaned them up. Maybe they were locked up all along.

I find it hard to believe the mother went to the gma's trailer and locked up the pills yet, at the same time, took no other precautions that evening with regards to her daughter's history of drug overdose.

Good point. It sure would have been safer if mom would have run and got the potatoes herself.

 

[Oblio]

He was driving drunk? Got in a Accident and she died ? HE WAS DRUNK. He should of got more then 6 years...... JMO What he did was Murder...... Granted she should of been wearing her seat belt however the blame is with the driver that was drunk. Sorry 23 or 24 years old is not a kid. I'm 30 and I knew at 23/24 years old it was wrong to drink drunk.

Actually that's debatable, as any BAL would have lead to a conviction since he's had priors (before he was 21, so any BAL on his priors, too.), in reality, according those close to those involved, his BAL was low, and his driving had more to do with being out riding with friends on country roads. Either way, nothing can compare to the fact that he has to live the rest of his life knowing he was so instrumental in the death of a friend, yk? Of course I'm a big believer in the idea that prison shouldn't just be punishment, but also rehabilitation for those who can be rehabilitated. He's not a sociopath or a pedophile, he's a young man who made a bad choice. I think if handled properly, he has to potential to be a possitive, contributing member of society. Afterall, he has a story to be told that could save lives.

 

[jnTexas]

Does anyone else find it amazing that a 10 yr old would take these pills? This child must have had something really horrible going on in her life to think that taking pills was the answer. I can not even get my 10 yr old son to take a pill any meds must be in liquid form.

I do believe this mother was an addict also. there has to be alot more to this story!!

Just what could've been so bad in this child life that being all soma'd out would be better?

 

[butterfly1978]

It says that the child died late at night or early morning... So you mean to tell me that she did not act stoned or drugged out before going to bed? The mother never noticed a change in her behavior? at what time did she supposedly take these pills? If mom needed daughter to go get potatoes, I am assuming this was around dinner time, lets even say they had a late dinner of 7 pm, 45 minutes is about how long it takes meds to kick in, so where was this mom when her child was first feeling the effects of this meds and why did she not get her help, if she took the pills in the late afternoon, theres no way it took til early morning the next day to kill her.

 

[STEADFAST]

It says that the child died late at night or early morning... So you mean to tell me that she did not act stoned or drugged out before going to bed? The mother never noticed a change in her behavior? at what time did she supposedly take these pills? If mom needed daughter to go get potatoes, I am assuming this was around dinner time, lets even say they had a late dinner of 7 pm, 45 minutes is about how long it takes meds to kick in, so where was this mom when her child was first feeling the effects of this meds and why did she not get her help, if she took the pills in the late afternoon, theres no way it took til early morning the next day to kill her.

Maybe she took them after the mom went over there at night and got some out of the locked cabinet. Oops, I mean after the mom went over there and locked them up. I wonder if the mom gave any thought to fingerprint evidence at some point?

 

[SuziQ]

Usually it's the multiple user families that end up with the lock boxes (safes as this mother refered to it), they get sick of every time they pass out their meds end up MIA. The fights in homes like these are horrid, the finger pointing and accusing is stomach turning! My sister used to have to keep her key to her lock box in her work locker because her ex-husband always found it and stole all her oxy's.

ITA, and in my experience, these types of people don't pass out with pills spilled all over. The pills are so valuable to them they can account for each and everyone.

 

[6angels]

yes I have seen safety plans done for grandparents , aunts and uncles of children even if they did not live with them. When the grandparents ETC admits they help in raising the child or caring for the child or even babysitting the child.

I am going by just what the news says. is it true? I dont know. None of us do. I am just saying IF IF IF IF grandma took a part in raising this child or caring for her and IF IF IF the child came and went and she KNEW the child had taken her meds before and IF IF IF she left her meds out KNOWING the child came and went then yes she was neglictful AS the mother was as well.

There is a LOT OF IF's in this case. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

THE FACT IS the MOTHER AND THE GRANDMA has failed this child. They KNEW she had taken drugs before there for they should of ALWAYS been locked up. IMO Grandma should of had her doors LOCKED if she knew the child was coming and going and mom should of walked with her child and paid attention to her child.


This is NOT a black and white case a child is DEAD and it's the 4th time that they KNOW OF that she took drugs. I am sorry but after the FIRST time Grandma AND mom should of made sure ALL MEDS AT BOTH HOMES WAS LOCKED UP and the CHILD should of NEVER been allowed to go ANY WHERE ALONE until she got help.


WHY WOULD MOM OR GRANDMA RISK THE CHILD'S LIFE??? Mom will letting her go there alone and Grandma with leaving her meds out knowing this was a problem. BOTH failed her and BOTH should be charged. THE STATE IMO should ALSO be charged seeing they didnt remove the child KNOWING NEITHER mom or Grandma could keep her safe.

This was not the first time the child got into the meds when was Grandma and mom supossed to get a clue??? That they BOTH needed to be more careful around this child!? A child's life was lost because both adults could not make sure she was safe.:furious:


Sorry but it does not fly with me that she was just Grandma she was not responable when a child is now dead after doing this with the 4th time with grandma's meds. It is apparant the meds was not secure from the child. It Is apparant the child was allowed around the drugs since it is not the first time it happened. SHAME ON THE MOM first of all, Shame on the Grandma and Shame on the state you all failed this innocent child.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Does anyone else find it amazing that a 10 yr old would take these pills? This child must have had something really horrible going on in her life to think that taking pills was the answer. I can not even get my 10 yr old son to take a pill any meds must be in liquid form.

I do believe this mother was an addict also. there has to be alot more to this story!!

Just what could've been so bad in this child life that being all soma'd out would be better?

Being "raised" by people who abuse drugs (prescription or otherwise) is more than enough reason for a child to want to get "all soma'd out" (for some reason I keep thinking the articles said it is Oxycontin the grandmother takes. I wonder why the mother was saying Soma- maybe grandma was on that too? who knows)

It's very sad, so very sad!

 

[OneLostGrl]

yes I have seen safety plans done for grandparents , aunts and uncles of children even if they did not live with them. When the grandparents ETC admits they help in raising the child or caring for the child or even babysitting the child.

I am going by just what the news says. is it true? I dont know. None of us do. I am just saying IF IF IF IF grandma took a part in raising this child or caring for her and IF IF IF the child came and went and she KNEW the child had taken her meds before and IF IF IF she left her meds out KNOWING the child came and went then yes she was neglictful AS the mother was as well.

There is a LOT OF IF's in this case. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

THE FACT IS the MOTHER AND THE GRANDMA has failed this child. They KNEW she had taken drugs before there for they should of ALWAYS been locked up. IMO Grandma should of had her doors LOCKED if she knew the child was coming and going and mom should of walked with her child and paid attention to her child.


This is NOT a black and white case a child is DEAD and it's the 4th time that they KNOW OF that she took drugs. I am sorry but after the FIRST time Grandma AND mom should of made sure ALL MEDS AT BOTH HOMES WAS LOCKED UP and the CHILD should of NEVER been allowed to go ANY WHERE ALONE until she got help.


WHY WOULD MOM OR GRANDMA RISK THE CHILD'S LIFE??? Mom will letting her go there alone and Grandma with leaving her meds out knowing this was a problem. BOTH failed her and BOTH should be charged. THE STATE IMO should ALSO be charged seeing they didnt remove the child KNOWING NEITHER mom or Grandma could keep her safe.

This was not the first time the child got into the meds when was Grandma and mom supossed to get a clue??? That they BOTH needed to be more careful around this child!? A child's life was lost because both adults could not make sure she was safe.:furious:


Sorry but it does not fly with me that she was just Grandma she was not responable when a child is now dead after doing this with the 4th time with grandma's meds. It is apparant the meds was not secure from the child. It Is apparant the child was allowed around the drugs since it is not the first time it happened. SHAME ON THE MOM first of all, Shame on the Grandma and Shame on the state you all failed this innocent child.

It's pretty typical addict behavior- they'll get a clue when they get clean. imo.

 

[OneLostGrl]

It says that the child died late at night or early morning... So you mean to tell me that she did not act stoned or drugged out before going to bed? The mother never noticed a change in her behavior? at what time did she supposedly take these pills? If mom needed daughter to go get potatoes, I am assuming this was around dinner time, lets even say they had a late dinner of 7 pm, 45 minutes is about how long it takes meds to kick in, so where was this mom when her child was first feeling the effects of this meds and why did she not get her help, if she took the pills in the late afternoon, theres no way it took til early morning the next day to kill her.

I think she probably took them when she was headed off to bed.

What I keep wondering is- did she take them for a buzz and took too many by accident ? or did she take too many knowingly because she wanted to die? I wonder how much was in her system and I wonder what drug/s it actually was that she ingested.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Does anyone else find it amazing that a 10 yr old would take these pills? This child must have had something really horrible going on in her life to think that taking pills was the answer. I can not even get my 10 yr old son to take a pill any meds must be in liquid form.

I do believe this mother was an addict also. there has to be alot more to this story!!

Just what could've been so bad in this child life that being all soma'd out would be better?

jnTexas, I find it heartbreaking that a child would take the pills and I also find it odd. My guys are like your son, even the oldest (adult) will only swallow antibiotics if I nag at him to do so. The younger boys will not take pills, while I'm tired of measuring doses of ibuprofen liquid, I'm thankful that none of them will go into the medicine cabinet and take their own dose of anything. (This thread is teaching me more about safeguarding meds, and I appreciate the knowledge.)

ITA, there has to be a lot more to this story.