Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #1

[gitana1]

Allegations husband involved in woman’s disappearance rebutted
OrovilleMR News, November 8, 2016
http://www.orovillemr.com/article/NB/20161108/NEWS/161109776

This is the article by Damon Arthur that was in the Redding Record Searchlight.

That is pretty convincing to me. Especially that witnesses saw him at work and her in the street.

At the outset of Sherri's disappearance, the husband went immediately to an abduction scenario, right? Often in these cases, in my experience, some initial concern involves a non-abduction scenario... that the person is hurt/fallen, can't walk due to an injury, etc. I don't know if there are woods around there or if she ever walks "off trail"? If a loved one of mine didn't return from a run, my first thought would have been a possible injury/fall, breathing issue, etc. Those things happen all of the time. Looking back at when I was married, my ex would have gone with that type of concern first, not hopping straight to abduction. As to what I've seen thus far, no one has mentioned that possibility as part of initial thoughts. I don't know if I'm getting my thought across; I'm still exhausted from last night. Anyhow, all completely IMO without any incrimination.

For whatever reason, I didn't anticipate Sherri's disappearance dragging out this long. I felt resolution would be coming within the first few days of her disappearance, unlike my thoughts regarding Vanessa M., & Karina V.

Whatever the case, it's sure pulling at my heartstrings for myriad reasons.

But if you find a phone off the road, and no injured person nearby, isn't it logical to jump to foul play?
Also, was her sister and sister in law involved too? Because they also went immediately to abduction. Her entire family did.

Someone posted this on another thread a while back, and this case makes me think of it.

Its a ring with a panic button in it that sends an alert to all the people you've designated - and allows them to track your location in real-time - its still in funding mode, so not exactly sure when it will be available - but seems like it will be a great product.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1629204423/nimb-a-smart-ring-that-keeps-you-safe-and-sound

Awesome. I like it.

The reason I'm keeping another theory open is that
1. I have not cleared the husband yet in my mind. I find his language alarming.
2. Everyone is assuming she was kidnapped on the street. Aside from her phone lying there..NO evidence of struggle, nothing. Sherri very easily could have gone for a walk/run and made it back home.
3. conflicting witness statements on time she was seen. That's what that is to..the last time she was seen, NOT the last time she was seen before she was kidnapped off the street because we have NO evidence other than the phone lying conveniently on the side of the road to suggest that.
4. LE thusfar have refused to commit to an abduction. It's only the family that says that

JMO

I don't know. I'm not troubled by his language in the least. She's not here so she must be there. I don't see anything odd. And her earbuds and phone in the dirt could be the best sign of struggle we can get. I don't ever recall actual signs of struggle being found in similar cases.

Ive also not seen family cleared this quickly.

And witnesses seeing her at different times aren't in conflict. They just saw different things at different times. If they were together and reported things inconsistent with one another,'that would be another story.

I don't get a "blatantly dishonest borderline psychopath crying pseudo tears Scott Peterson" vibe from Keith, but something does feel off to me about the situation. These comparisons are glaring to me ... they may mean absolutely nothing, but keep me in suspicion.


- Husbands came home to empty house, immediately said abduction.
- Dogs picked up no scent
- Sherri's phone was found on the side of the road where she was allegedly jogging. Laci's dog was found roaming the streets where she had allegedly been walking. Both are / were the only "evidence" found that placed the women away from the home. In Laci's case the dog was "planted" because he surmised that since Laci was outside walking and he was gone, then he wouldn't be under suspicion.
- In both cases, LE reluctance to call it an abduction.
- In both cases LE did not clear the husband.
- Both women's cars were in the driveway. If Sherri staged her disappearance or wanted to leave she could have taken the car.
- Both allegedly taken in broad daylight from their own neighborhoods with no witnesses.
- Eyewitnesses questionable. In both cases the women were not seen on camera footage.

80% of these disappearances are domestic / spouse related.

The alternative is that this woman was abducted. And that is horrific. The Lord knows we've far too many of those cases, as well.
20% of disappearances are stranger / stalker / non-relative

I see what you're saying but I'm not sure any of that really shows anything significant.

Husband did not immediately say abduction after coming home to an empty house in this case. He didn't call anyone and say she's gone. He tracked her phone. Found it on the side of the road and then went to abduction.

How do we know dogs picked up no scent?

In this case, Sherri's phone is not the only evidence that places her outside the home. There were two quick witness statements that placed her outside jogging that day. I think blonde, petite Sherri is striking. And not easy to forget. Unfortunately, there was another pregnant brunette with a dog in the neighborhood where Laci lived. So the witness had a reason to be mistaken.

Its far to early to clear the husband and without eye witnesses to an abduction it's rare they call it one this early on.

In any case involving an adult abducted while out hiking or jogging near their home, their car would be parked at the home. Where should it be? I'm not sure how that proves anything. Or hints at anything.

Why are the eyewitness statements in this case questionable? Just because there's no camera footage in that rural area to show where she was that day? That's not criteria for determining their statements aren't credible. They made statements within hours of the disappearance and Sherri doesn't seem one to forget.
Finally, the broad daylight thing doesn't impress me. It happens more often than we may think:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...amily-from-trunk-of-car?0p19G=e?client=safari


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kelsey_Smith


https://www.google.com/amp/pix11.co...-death-under-investigation/amp/?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...-found-slain-in-woods0.amp.html?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/fox5sand...napping-in-university-city/amp/?client=safari (Interesting broad daylight attempted kidnapping of a jogger in San Diego this past summer)


http://www.kmbc.com/news/local-news...abduction-attempt-while-jogging-in-brookside/


http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2016-09-21/law-order


http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...n-attacked-while-jogging-hines-park/89927102/


http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/...e-was-nearly-abducted-while-playing-pokmon-go


http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/29/w...n-broad-daylight-driven-to-house-for-robbery/ (The only one with witnesses).


But the 80% thing? Yup. Which is why they need to investigate family. Especially the husband.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Still on the fence about her husband... Susan Smith showed raw emotion, too.

Waiting for le to clear him, it's been more than a week now !
:moo:

Guilt, fear and remorse are powerful emotions that would look like grief.

 

[LaborOfLobe]

Someone posted this on another thread a while back, and this case makes me think of it.

Its a ring with a panic button in it that sends an alert to all the people you've designated - and allows them to track your location in real-time - its still in funding mode, so not exactly sure when it will be available - but seems like it will be a great product.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1629204423/nimb-a-smart-ring-that-keeps-you-safe-and-sound

Speaking of this (a little O/T), I was made aware of a feature on my Samsung phone recently under Settings/Safety Assistance/Send Help Messages. When enabled, pressing the power button will take and send photos and/or audio recordings to your designated emergency contacts. I learned to be a little more careful with my phone after I enabled this because my hubby received a flurry of pics of the inside of my purse...but a pretty neat feature IMO
I would *think* that other high-end smartphones have a similar feature, but not certain. Just FYI for others who don't pay much attention to what all their phone will really do.

 

[missgulfsouth]

That is pretty convincing to me. Especially that witnesses saw him at work and her in the street.



But if you find a phone off the road, and no injured person nearby, isn't it logical to jump to foul play?
Also, was her sister and sister in law involved too? Because they also went immediately to abduction. Her entire family did.



Awesome. I like it.



I don't know. I'm not troubled by his language in the least. She's not here so she must be there. I don't see anything odd. And her earbuds and phone in the dirt could be the best sign of struggle we can get. I don't ever recall actual signs of struggle being found in similar cases.

Ive also not seen family cleared this quickly.

And witnesses seeing her at different times aren't in conflict. They just saw different things at different times. If they were together and reported things inconsistent with one another,'that would be another story.



I see what you're saying but I'm not sure any of that really shows anything significant.

Husband did not immediately say abduction after coming home to an empty house in this case. He didn't call anyone and say she's gone. He tracked her phone. Found it on the side of the road and then went to abduction.

How do we know dogs picked up no scent?

In this case, Sherri's phone is not the only evidence that places her outside the home. There were two quick witness statements that placed her outside jogging that day. I think blonde, petite Sherri is striking. And not easy to forget. Unfortunately, there was another pregnant brunette with a dog in the neighborhood where Laci lived. So the witness had a reason to be mistaken.

Its far to early to clear the husband and without eye witnesses to an abduction it's rare they call it one this early on.

In any case involving an adult abducted while out hiking or jogging near their home, their car would be parked at the home. Where should it be? I'm not sure how that proves anything. Or hints at anything.

Why are the eyewitness statements in this case questionable? Just because there's no camera footage in that rural area to show where she was that day? That's not criteria for determining their statements aren't credible. They made statements within hours of the disappearance and Sherri doesn't seem one to forget.
Finally, the broad daylight thing doesn't impress me. It happens more often than we may think:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...amily-from-trunk-of-car?0p19G=e?client=safari


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kelsey_Smith


https://www.google.com/amp/pix11.co...-death-under-investigation/amp/?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...-found-slain-in-woods0.amp.html?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/fox5sand...napping-in-university-city/amp/?client=safari (Interesting broad daylight attempted kidnapping of a jogger in San Diego this past summer)


http://www.kmbc.com/news/local-news...abduction-attempt-while-jogging-in-brookside/


http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2016-09-21/law-order


http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...n-attacked-while-jogging-hines-park/89927102/


http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/...e-was-nearly-abducted-while-playing-pokmon-go


http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/29/w...n-broad-daylight-driven-to-house-for-robbery/ (The only one with witnesses).


But the 80% thing? Yup. Which is why they need to investigate family. Especially the husband.

To your question.... LE said the dogs did not find her scent.

In both cases it was suggested that perhaps she was unhappy and left willingly....but cars were in the driveway, leaving people to question why did they not take the car? That is why I mention the vehicles in the driveway.

Eyewitnesses, not one but several, placed Laci at the park and in the neighborhood that day. Distinctive, petite, dark hair, very pregnant, walking a dog....that day. After she was dead. I am not convinced they saw Sherri. No. Not yet I'm not.

 

[kemo]

It has been said that there were multiple sighting of someone resembling Sherri was see

 

[gitana1]

Guilt, fear and remorse are powerful emotions that would look like grief.

But Susan Smith never had actual tears in her eyes. Sherri's husband's eyes were brimming with real tears. Totally full. Big difference.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=injqWpqAOEg

 

[SLWV-A]

One thing that nags me, as it does many of you...are the witnesses that saw her "credible" (as in the Laci Peterson case and many others)? What if she never went jogging? That is why I am on the proverbial "fence" also...

"Just sayin"...

 

[LietKynes]

If her immediate and extended family fears she was abducted.. do they have some possible perp in mind ; but are not 100% sure and thus cannot name him/her ?

I realize we can't sleuth innocent people.. but I still am curious about her ex and any other relationships she'd had that may have been contentious ?
Some people hold on to stuff for years.

 

[LietKynes]

One thing that nags me, as it does many of you...are the witnesses that saw her "credible" (as in the Laci Peterson case and many others)? What if she never went jogging? That is why I am on the proverbial "fence" also...

"Just sayin"...

RSBM

And who outside of family/friends saw her last ? And was she seen and/or spoken to when she dropped her kids at the daycare ? (assuming Sherri dropped the kids off?)
Ughhh.. just going in circles now.

If all of her immediate and extended family are totally innocent -- I feel horrible for them ! But relatives and friends have to be cleared first... and to my knowledge no one has been cleared ; which is concerning. Imo.

 

[missgulfsouth]

But Susan Smith never had actual tears in her eyes. Sherri's husband's eyes were brimming with real tears. Totally full. Big difference.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=injqWpqAOEg

Mark Hacking's eyes were pretty full. Completely distraught as I recall.

 

[gitana1]

To your question.... LE said the dogs did not find her scent.

In both cases it was suggested that perhaps she was unhappy and left willingly....but cars were in the driveway, leaving people to question why did they not take the car? That is why I mention the vehicles in the driveway.

Eyewitnesses, not one but several, placed Laci at the park and in the neighborhood that day. Distinctive, petite, dark hair, very pregnant, walking a dog....that day. After she was dead. I am not convinced they saw Sherri. No. Not yet I'm not.

Because there was an Actual, pregnant brunette walkif her dog that day who wasn't Laci. So they weren't seeing a phantom.
But I think the chances of a second, petite, striking blonde jogging in that rural area that day may be remote.

 

[mrseeker]

I thought the husband's emotions were real. One thing that keeps popping in my head is the Oregon Mom who left a couple of years back. If you remember that one, it did not end well. I know they say she was physically and mentally healthy, but one never knows. I am still leaning towards abduction but there are several other scenarios. The evidence is strongest for she was taken. It could be a stalker, a random predator, or even someone accidentally hit her with a car, and decided to cover it up. No evidence of an accident though. Some have suggested a mountain lion, but seems that would leave lots of evidence around. I am just hoping for a runaway, who will come back. She seems like an upbeat, highly sociable woman. We know about the last text to her husband, but when did she last text, phone, or email anyone else? When is the last absolutely confirmed sighting or conversation? In today's world, I can't imagine she only sent that one text that day. I guess the police know.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Justin Barber was a good crier, too.

I hope Keith is totally innocent, I do! I'm certain LE wants him to be innocent. I'm just mulling over these nagging thoughts until LE states definitively that she was abducted and her husband is clear of all suspicion.

 

[gitana1]

Mark Hacking's eyes were pretty full. Completely distraught as I recall.

Oh no. Not one actual tear. Until after he confessed:

[video=youtube;15l9HQgAk4M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15l9HQgAk4M[/video]

 

[kemo]

It has been said that there were multiple sighting of someone resembling Sherri was see

Let me start again.

It has been reported that there were multiple sighting of somebody resembling Sherri jogging on that day. Times of 10:00 and 2:00 have been given but most media reports give 2:00. Some reports have at least one of the reports coming from someone who "knew" Sherri. Any sighting from someone who knew her would be

Virtually all traffic in that neighborhood is enroute either to or from a residence. There are no businesses that would normally be accessed on Oregon Trail South.

Most drivers would remember the time they left or arrived home with a high degree of accuracy. We should be able to get a pretty good idea where she was and what direction she going. The creates a "window" when an abduction could happen.

 

[gitana1]

Justin Barber was a good crier, too.

I hope Keith is totally innocent, I do! I'm certain LE wants him to be innocent. I'm just mulling over these nagging thoughts until LE states definitively that she was abducted and her husband is clear of all suspicion.

No tears until after conviction. And then only when talking about being shot himself and the possibility of the death penalty (although he was saying that he thinks the jury should sentence him to death if they think he killed her).
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/secrets-in-the-sand/

 

[AceDetective]

Reminder: (Source.)
“I received a text message from her at 10:37 a.m. that day asking me if I was coming home for lunch,” Keith Papini said. “I usually don’t bring my personal phone in on my job. So I didn’t respond to that message until 1:39 p.m. that day.”

Assuming the police can verify the phone location, and I'm sure they can, there's just no way Keith would be able to get away with this, unless he had an accomplice.
Police can get location records from her phone, from his phone, and his vehicle had GPS tracking, which usually keeps a log.

 

[gitana1]

Reminder: (Source.)
“I received a text message from her at 10:37 a.m. that day asking me if I was coming home for lunch,” Keith Papini said. “I usually don’t bring my personal phone in on my job. So I didn’t respond to that message until 1:39 p.m. that day.”

Assuming the police can verify the phone location, and I'm sure they can, there's just no way Keith would be able to get away with this, unless he had an accomplice.
Police can get location records from her phone, from his phone, and his vehicle had GPS tracking, which usually keeps a log.

Ah smart point! Unless he left his phone somewhere while he used hers to text?

 

[SLWV-A]

And that is the "whole problem"...we just "don't know" because at this juncture no details are being given...as it should be, I assume...

 

[Tealgrove]

There was a case here in Canada (Tim Bosma) where LE was able to build a timeline of what happened to Tim based on the phone pings from multiple phones including Tim's own phones.

If KP was involved, or not, his work cell phone and his personal cell would most likely be traceable via the pings. If he said he was here at this time, his phone will have pinged somewhere and it can be verified.

I know it's much more complicated than that but it was absolutely incredible to follow the pings, the phones and watch on a map where everybody was at any given moment and that included burner phones.