Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

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The suspicious part about the DNA is not that it was found on her and her clothes. There could be many reasonable explanations for that. The suspicious part, or the part that makes me feel there is more to it, is the fact that LE decided to release that specific information.
Indeed. As I have been saying several time LE is sending messages. In this instance, concerning the female DNA and male DNA found they are making it known that the female DNA does not belong to Sherri and the male DNA does not belong to Keith (mentioned in the same article Steleheart linked).

For me it shows that LE has a man and a woman in their crosshairs and neither of those two are Sherri or Keith. Because I don't believe this was an abduction by default that puts Sherri in the mix.
 
Eh, I have the pic but lost the link but the pic shows the source in it - a screen grab..
Yes we don't know anything about it but it has an evidence marker next to it. we have seen the suit but we don't know what she wore under it. A shirt, Bra top like the picture, etc. It looked like a pink sports bra folded inside out with a black lining IIRC.

I'll look for it.

ETA: still have it in my attachments from way back then.
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So what does this tell us? Makes me wonder what else LE recovered at the scene. And why would anyone discard their sports bra by the side of the road?
 
What part of her body was swabbed? What would make sense for them to swab in this case?
Wrists or forearms would be my guess as it would be likely that DNA transfer would occur when either securing Sherri's left arm to the waist chain or when freeing her while still in the vehicle. If it were anywhere else then it could be DNA that was on an article of clothing that transferred to her body but I doubt they swabbed her body except wherever Sherri might have told them she was touched prior to release.
 
The DNA on SP's clothes must have been significant, not just a random hair or a bit of sweat on a shirt. I assume the male DNA was on her underwear or in such a large amount elsewhere that LE would find it appropriate to mention. I also assume it was semen, but who knows?

As for a rape kit, if, as reported, SP said she wasn't sexually assaulted, there wouldn't have been any reason for the medical team to request one, nor SP to consent to one.
 
Has it been confirmed as SPs? Just wondering because her hand was bound. If it was hers, it would have had to have been thrown from the car and not been on her at the time....
jmo

LE hasn't discussed it at all, either to say it's hers or that it isn't. I lean toward it being hers, though I'm not sure it's definitely a sports bra. But it does not appear to have been out in the weather for any length of time. What are the chances something pink would be found on the same day SP goes missing in a pink top, and it be unrelated? I'd say the chances of that are low.

Also we don't know that her hand was bound when picked up - only that it was bound when dropped off. I doubt any care was taken right at her driveway to stop and put her in restraints. The concern would have been getting away as quickly as possible.
 
The suspicious part about the DNA is not that it was found on her and her clothes. There could be many reasonable explanations for that. The suspicious part, or the part that makes me feel there is more to it, is the fact that LE decided to release that specific information.

Exactly.

I hope that means they are going to do further testing of the DNA found and put it through the system to see if it matches anyone.

Nope. They already put it through the system. It means they want the public to know some facts of the case.

I thought it was simply to eliminate KP. I wonder if they tested CG. I also felt thet the reason for mentioning the Michigan Man was to eliminate him as well knowing that "armchair detectives" who run rampant on SM along with news paparazzi would eventually begin stalking, harassing and speculating about him.

JMO

There was nothing published about such a man by the media and no identification of who this person is has ever been given publicly by anyone. So it makes zero sense that they would release such detailed info to "protect" an anonymous person, IMO. All we knew is LE traveled to various cities in Michigan.

The simplest would be touch DNA, choking, struggling, hair dropped , saliva... no? They changed her clothes from the jogging outfit she was seen in before she disappeared.

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/sh...ssing-shasta-co-woman-sherri-papini/142731721

Yeah. Makes sense.

I hear you loud & clear, and know that what you say about an ugly history & present tendencies is 100% accurate, sadly.

But...(for devil's advocate loving me I always have buts, lol) the fact of that reality doesn't mean that SP naming Latinas is a lie, or that the whole thing was a lie. It would be appalling beyond measure though IF (not saying I think this is so) SP ginned up a story of evil Latina kidnappers rather than to fess up to who actually targeted & harmed her.

I agree totally.

My kids have their own apple id's but they have their find my phones set up with mine, so when I login i can see all the devices whereabouts, they also have my account hooked to the app store as I trust them not to charge anything to it without asking. It just keeps things simple. They use their own Apple Id's for imessage and facetime and that stuff. I don't get their notifications and they don't get mine, I also have a second one on my ipad that i use for cloud storage that the kids don't access yet the find my phone and store are hooked to my shared one. So, I wouldn't say it isn't "ideal" it actually works pretty well, esp if you share banking info or credit cards. JMO

Find my iPhone for all our phones is on my family computer. I misplace mine a lot. My spouse can easily access it. I don't hide my account info. It's saved. For everything. All passwords are saved.

I would think that they would have done a rape kit on her when she was being processed at the hospital, they also would have likely taken fingernail clippings and swabs of any blood or fluids anywhere on her body. Despite the fact she has said that there was no sexual assault, it doesn't mean they wouldn't have checked, unless she refused that testing being done, I would definitely think it to be standard.

That said, when I escaped years ago and was in the hospital despite the fact that it was the victims unit in a private area and room I didn't feel that I had much choice in getting the rape kit done. I had been SA, but they checked me from head to toe, photographed every mark, bruise, scar on my body, measured it etc, including in doing the rape kit. It was degrading and while they were really professional and my mom was in there with me it just felt like it was part of the procedure and had to be done, not that I had the option of saying no... I wonder now if I had said no, if they would have told me without it that they wouldnt be able to prosecute etc and have talked me into it? Hmm

With SP, if she didn't want it made public that she had been sexually assaulted, would they deny it? I can't recall if it was only KP who had said she was NOT sexually assaulted or if LE also said it. One would think they wouldn't disrespect a victim who had been by announcing it to the world, but I don't know how their statements work in court.

JMO

LE stated she said she was not sexually assaulted and no evidence indicated she was. I'm certain they did a rape kit.
 
The blog post has been mentioned via other mainstream outlets on multiple occasions. We should be able to discuss what mainstream media has reported. And like it or not, the blog has SP's name on it. It also has striking similarities to her abduction story, so it is worthy of discussion. You may say that it hasn't been proven she wrote it. That's true, but it hasn't been proven that she didn't write it. Since her name is on it, maybe the onus should be on her to prove otherwise.

Kind of ironic, isn't it, that something in 2003 was submitted in her name as truthful and she disputes it as a hoax. 13 years later, something happens that she says is truthful but many others dispute it as a hoax.


It wasn't my personal opinion that it hasn't been proven SP wrote that blog. LE addressed it, never confirmed that she had, and as far as I know, left that question open.

I don't believe at all that the onus is on SP to prove that she didn't write it. She doesn't owe the public any explanations about anything, in my opinion. However curious folks still are, whatever the seemingly discrepancies in her story, however much folks don't believe or trust or like her, LE has said repeatedly that they have no reason to doubt what she has told them. As far as I'm concerned, that makes her a victim.


Family & friends spoke out for some while about what happened, and then have not for some long while. SP has not spoken about what happened to the public at all, much less tried to profit from it. She seems to be living as a recluse, and rarely venturing out at all, even to pick up her kids from school.

Whatever the full truth of the matter, and regardless of my personal opinion about SP (based on the very narrow view any of us could possibly have about her via MSM & SM), I have very little doubt that she is a victim, and feel sorry for her that she doesn't even have the shelter of that status to protect her.
 
LE hasn't discussed it at all, either to say it's hers or that it isn't. I lean toward it being hers, though I'm not sure it's definitely a sports bra. But it does not appear to have been out in the weather for any length of time. What are the chances something pink would be found on the same day SP goes missing in a pink top, and it be unrelated? I'd say the chances of that are low.

If hers, IMO the only reason for it to be there would be to make sure people think she's been taken.
 
If hers, IMO the only reason for it to be there would be to make sure people think she's been taken.

On the one hand, it wouldn't seem to match up with the narrative of two women grabbing her. But on the other hand, if I'm going willingly but want it to look like I didn't, it's the best choice. The only other options are either the outer top or outer bottom. Both would be a problem to not have on a long trip if you need to use the restroom or are stopped in traffic with a car right next to you.
 
Has it been confirmed as SPs? Just wondering because her hand was bound. If it was hers, it would have had to have been thrown from the car and not been on her at the time....
jmo

Who knows whose bra it was? Living in a fairly large urban area, and having walked a dog daily on a several mile long park path through a wooded area, I'll just say in my experience there is nothing surprising or unusual about finding very very personal items discarded where anyone can (yuck) come across them.
 
LE hasn't discussed it at all, either to say it's hers or that it isn't. I lean toward it being hers, though I'm not sure it's definitely a sports bra. But it does not appear to have been out in the weather for any length of time. What are the chances something pink would be found on the same day SP goes missing in a pink top, and it be unrelated? I'd say the chances of that are low.

Also we don't know that her hand was bound when picked up - only that it was bound when dropped off. I doubt any care was taken right at her driveway to stop and put her in restraints. The concern would have been getting away as quickly as possible.

Where it's folded is narrow. Do regular bras have linings? I just have no reference. I don't think Mrs. Stele has any like that, LOL
 
I don't believe at all that the onus is on SP to prove that she didn't write it. She doesn't owe the public any explanations about anything, in my opinion.

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I agree with you that she doesn't owe the public. I was saying that the onus is on her to prove to LE that she didn't write it. Because from their perspective, it's got to be extremely prejudicial.
 
If hers, IMO the only reason for it to be there would be to make sure people think she's been taken.

Not sure why you always bring out the devil's advocate/contrarian in me, but there it is, and I've no doubt at all you can hold your own. ;)

Another reason might be, if the bra is even SP's, that her captors began humiliating her immediately to exert control over her, and that telling SP to take off her bra was one of those steps.
 
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I agree with you that she doesn't owe the public. I was saying that the onus is on her to prove to LE that she didn't write it. Because from their perspective, it's got to be extremely prejudicial.

I imagine LE has asked her about it, not so much because it is prejudicial (I'm using the legal interpretation of the term) , but because LE would be remiss not to explore the possibilities raised if SP did write it, even though it had been written years prior to their investigation.
 
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