Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #13 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[LisaB]

The account you cited was from May 2011 to early January 2012. It appears the @cccairuh was a separate, new account that doesn't show the previous history under another name, but don't know. It's suspect that the account did go poof, though, this afternoon.:what:

This might sound dumb, but I have done this so...

She could have had the account that she stopped using in January in her iPod Touch. It went missing around this time. She could have had her password saved (seems to be the way it works) and when she lost her iPod Touch and had to start using her Android phone for Twitter, she did not remember the password, got locked out of her own account, and just created a new one to circumvent the problem.

 

[LisaB]

I saw something that very clearly could have been/be horrible. The reality of that just, I don't know.

The guy who picked him up could just be some guy who used to hitchhike as a teen, back when it was commonplace, as nobody had acknowledged the risk yet... he may have meant no harm at all and was just giving the kid a ride. You called. That's more than a lot of people would do.

 

[Skully]

The timing that is proven by Mother seeing her and a text and a photo has also been 'confirmed' by the LE..........so who is fooling who here????

Someone got her to walk out and leave her precious things needed every 'normal' day behind. It started at the house, so go back there to start again.

I am speaking to LE not us sleuthers folks..........the simple facts we know are shown as left behind items at the home.

Sierras day got very interrupted in a very short time period we are being told by LE, so, who would she trust to believe to leave behind her inhaler and charger........there in lies the BIGGEST HINKY in this whole case.

SHE WOULDN'T and this is hinky.

I see your point and well taken, but why to the end of the driveway?

 

[Skully]

I haven't kept up with this thread in awhile, but regarding the inhaler; do we know how bad she needed it? Did she always take it with her and is there a chance she had 2. I only ask because I have friends that use them, and they have several, one is always in the purse, just in case.

 

[southern_comfort]

I was really confused by this. Then suddenly I got it. I am not sure I can explain it, but I will try. If you stand in front of the webcam, holding your iPhone, the picture on the iPhone will be what the webcam sees, i.e. YOU HOLDING AN IPHONE! If you capture the picture on your screen, it will be a picture of what the webcam is pointed at, but will have the icons on it that are displayed on the iPhone screen.

It helps me to visualize two girls sitting there at that desk where Sierra is, facetiming each other. Blonde is using a webcam. Brunette is using an iphone.

On the iphone, Brunette can see Blonde's image as she sits there in front of the webcam, with the phone controls at the bottom (because she is looking at the image on the iPhone). (This is the big image in the screenshot).

On the computer screen, Blonde can see Brunette's image being broadcast from her iphone, but she sees it without the phone controls (because she's seeing it on her monitor, not a phone). (This is the small image in the top corner of the screenshot).

The screenshot was taken with the iPhone in Sierra's hand.

 

[LisaB]

It helps me to visualize two girls sitting there at that desk where Sierra is, facetiming each other. Blonde is using a webcam. Brunette is using an iphone.

On the iphone, Brunette can see Blonde's image as she sits there in front of the webcam, with the phone controls at the bottom (because she is looking at the image on the iPhone). (This is the big image in the screenshot).

On the computer screen, Blonde can see Brunette's image being broadcast from her iphone, but she sees it without the phone controls (because she's seeing it on her monitor, not a phone). (This is the small image in the top corner of the screenshot).

The screenshot was taken with the iPhone in Sierra's hand.

YES! It seems wrong until you think it through. I kept getting confused and then it suddenly dawned on me. The confusion is not really about the PHONE being in the photo, it is because of Sierra being in BOTH pictures, and the phone ONLY being visible on the iPhone. The Mac screen would have a POV that was from Sierra's hand, and would not show the iPhone, since its screen shows an image TAKEN with the iPhone.

 

[Skully]

so now I am thinking about this case..... Where do the kids plug in the charger if they are at school? I have one, and the only time I take it with me, other than a long trip, is out to my car if I think I will need it if I am out for awhile or because the battery is low. So if you are taking a bus, and going to school, where are you charging up the IPhone and does it take time to recharge, if so, Where are you doing this?

If the kidnapping started at the house and not at the end of the driveway, not taking the charger or inhaler would be a clue that is where it started. Because picture her getting ready for school, you get things packed into the purse or whatever to take for your day. If you take your charger everyday as stated, and your inhaler, then you are doing this inside the home, and then you take off and go to the bus stop. So it shouldn't be in the home if she was taken at the bus stop because she would have packed it prior to that point. Now if the stuff is left behind, then you could say she was interrupted and didn't get a chance to take those things, but did she ALWAYS take them? The charger is no good if you can't plug it in and recharge where you are at, and if she has more than one inhaler or doesn't ALWAYS take it, then those items being left behind are not an indication that they shouldn't be left behind. She may have left them because she didn't need them that day.

 

[Skully]

I mentioned in a earlier thread that I think the person responsible for her missing, wanted to make sure it looked like what LE thought a kidnapping would look like. It still feels like the person drove around and dropped stuff about to make it look like a kidnapping and the kidnapper was getting rid of stuff that either tracked him/her or linked her to them. The purse just sitting there, up right, and not on it's side and things in-tack inside and neatly folded show signs of caring about the items. It is as if they thought "I will place this here and they will find it and know she has been taken".

 

[krkrjx]

Just one more thought...

How do I put this..so, I have been running this over and over in my mind. Maybe I've been exposed to this stuff too much...but this could have easily been an a situation where a kid has gone missing. Take away me seeing it. It could have easily been a situation where a kid goes missing...and nobody notices. And I saw it. Take that aspect out...do you know what I'm mean? Like Sierra - It could have been someone who saw something that day, but as you're saying, it's not normal for someone to ackowledge that type of thing. And seriously, some people just don't retain things..they just don't observe like some people would. Hard to digest. I think it is different, but maybe not so much. I saw something that very clearly could have been/be horrible. The reality of that just, I don't know.

People are interesting...not everyone observes like we're talking about in this case. Could be the same with Sierra. Not saying...not even theorizing..but man...to see something like that that 'could be' was very sobering. It makes me feel like 'okay' this is it...this is what simply happens. And then here we are searching for them and putting all of our hearts into finding them..I saw what possibly could be/have been potentially a tragedy.

I just can't get the visual out of my head. It's very real. I don't think I'm over reacting. It happens that simply.

I don't think you are over-reacting either. You saw something that raised a red flag and you acted accordingly.

As far as dispatch telling you that you should have called immediately, maybe that was not an admonition at all...maybe it was their way of saying citizens no longer need to hesitate to report anything even slightly suspicious to LE (meaning they are less likely to be annoyed by citizen calls). I will never forget the 911 call from the social worker reporting that Josh Powell had his kids locked in the house and she smelled gasoline, and the dispatcher practically shrugged her off! And then...horrible tragedy!! So, you should not feel bad...at least the LE you got on the phone took your call seriously!

As far as your comment about someone may have seen something that might be helpful in Sierra's case, I agree with your take on that. It is actually very likely that someone saw or heard something--even something that didn't raise a red flag--that could be helpful to the case. Occasionally people see or hear things that later prove to be relevant without seeming so at the time of the incident, so they shrug it off as being nothing. And then when the news comes out of what happened they can't remember any details because they didn't really pay attention. Or...they have totally forgotten what they saw, or they continue to consider what they saw as not related. I do think it is possible that someone somewhere saw or heard something that morning Sierra went missing, and ignored it as being nothing important. I am not putting anyone down for doing that because most things we see do end up being nothing important.

If you think of anything more about the incident you witnessed write it down, even something is small as what shoes the kid had on...or a logo on one of his bags...etc. Or maybe a dent on the car somewhere, or a rust spot, etc. Write down everything if you have not already--that way you do not have to rely on memory if one day down the road your information should prove vital.

And finally...thank you for caring enough about another human being to get involved and call LE!

 

[Berry]

I see your point and well taken, but why to the end of the driveway?

Thanks Bern for responding, the dogs tracked her scent to the end of the driveway ONLY. This a fact we have been told by LE.

No other evidence of Sierras' scent is a supplied fact given past that point of the end of the family house driveway

 

[Berry]

I haven't kept up with this thread in awhile, but regarding the inhaler; do we know how bad she needed it? Did she always take it with her and is there a chance she had 2. I only ask because I have friends that use them, and they have several, one is always in the purse, just in case.

There has been no inhaler stated to be in her 'purse' found.

Where at school would there be a second one.

 

[Berry]

so now I am thinking about this case..... Where do the kids plug in the charger if they are at school? I have one, and the only time I take it with me, other than a long trip, is out to my car if I think I will need it if I am out for awhile or because the battery is low. So if you are taking a bus, and going to school, where are you charging up the IPhone and does it take time to recharge, if so, Where are you doing this?

If the kidnapping started at the house and not at the end of the driveway, not taking the charger or inhaler would be a clue that is where it started. Because picture her getting ready for school, you get things packed into the purse or whatever to take for your day. If you take your charger everyday as stated, and your inhaler, then you are doing this inside the home, and then you take off and go to the bus stop. So it shouldn't be in the home if she was taken at the bus stop because she would have packed it prior to that point. Now if the stuff is left behind, then you could say she was interrupted and didn't get a chance to take those things, but did she ALWAYS take them? The charger is no good if you can't plug it in and recharge where you are at, and if she has more than one inhaler or doesn't ALWAYS take it, then those items being left behind are not an indication that they shouldn't be left behind. She may have left them because she didn't need them that day.

At school Sierras' Mother said she took it always and it was able to be plugged in and used as Android phone is needing that due to battery.

 

[Berry]

I mentioned in a earlier thread that I think the person responsible for her missing, wanted to make sure it looked like what LE thought a kidnapping would look like. It still feels like the person drove around and dropped stuff about to make it look like a kidnapping and the kidnapper was getting rid of stuff that either tracked him/her or linked her to them. The purse just sitting there, up right, and not on it's side and things in-tack inside and neatly folded show signs of caring about the items. It is as if they thought "I will place this here and they will find it and know she has been taken".

Keeping it simple and only following the facts here Bern, no inhaler, no cell charge, no scent of our girl past the driveway........she had no say in it.....someone else did, from the house/front door.

Who made her leave without a 'normal' day packed purse, yet presented to the community/public 'their' packed purse for display?

Think about it in simple basic terms...KISS!!

 

[krkrjx]

Which neighbor's yard was it that the scent dogs hit on and "evidence" was supposedly collected from? If the dogs hit there it would mean her scent was there likely from that morning, right?

Maybe as she left her cat got out and she had to go retrieve it. And with that, was late leaving for her bus? Could someone have helped her with kitty, and been let into the home, and then offered to take her to school?

This exact scenario happened to my daughter one morning, and the next door neighbor drove her to school. She never thought twice about accepting the ride. Maybe Sierra also would not have thought twice if something like this happened.

Just specualting. I know that no one is officially suspected of anything at this time. I am just curious as to how Sierra's scent was tracked to a neighbor's yard when by all I have read, the dogs would only hit on a fresh scent.

 

[sarx]

Keeping it simple and only following the facts here Bern, no inhaler, no cell charge, no scent of our girl past the driveway........she had no say in it.....someone else did, from the house/front door.

Who made her leave without a 'normal' day packed purse, yet presented to the community/public 'their' packed purse for display?

Think about it in simple basic terms...KISS!!

That is what is odd, IMO. If it is true that she didn't have a another charger or inhaler packed, then that says to me she wasn't ready to leave the house when she did.

 

[houndstooth]

I see your point and well taken, but why to the end of the driveway?

The Sheriff herself has said at or near the door to the home.
Therefore, you could think of the end of the driveway as being where it ends as you enter the compound, not as you leave.

Make sense?

It being a circular driveway notwithstanding. It is not as if Sierra walked the circle to leave or enter the property.
She would enter and leave up the shortest route of the driveway.

 

[Skully]

At school Sierras' Mother said she took it always and it was able to be plugged in and used as Android phone is needing that due to battery.

I have been out of school for many years, are there docking stations or places kids plug in the chargers now? How many kids do this and how many places are there in a school to charge up phones and Iphones and God knows what else? do they have outlets on the floors near the desks? I had those in my computer class, but only there. And I assume the mom would know, as Sierra would mention it, that she can charge up the Android at school.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

That is what is odd, IMO. If it is true that she didn't have a another charger or inhaler packed, then that says to me she wasn't ready to leave the house when she did.

So after spending all yesterday looking through Twitter, I think its time to look back at the beginning, and by beginning I mean that morning.

A few things are not clear to me though.

1)Her scent was lost at the end of the driveway
This brings up a lot of questions for me.
*Does this mean she walked to the end of the driveway and got in a car?
*Or could she have been carried to the end of the driveway and 'placed' in a car

2)Do we know what time she left the house?
I know there was discussion based on the phone 'pings', would this be enough info for LE to determine that she did in fact leave the house at around 7:15, and not much later, like 10:00am?

3)What are the chances a crime occured IN her house before she left for school, and LE didn't find any clues of said crime? (I know its possible, but not likely, right?)

4)You guys brought up the charger and inhaler, as if these items not being taken with her mean she was "interrupted" or forced to leave early
*Do we have any quotes to back that up?
(I could see a lot of explanations here)
a)She doesn't take her charger to school, because her battery lasts long enough for her to make it home.
b)She doesn't take her inhaler to school all the time, but her mother thinks she does.
c)Whoever took her, kept the inhaler on them, either as a trophy, or because SL was still alive, and they thought she might need it. (Was her inhaler LEFT at home, or was it just not found in her bag)

Id like to know more about what makes everyone believe these items should have been with her.

Based on all of this im wondering what the thoughts are on what happened that morning.

Did she willfully walk down her driveway and get into someones car?
Did she willfully walk down her driveway but then someone forced her into their car without leaving any sign of a struggle?
Or did someone invade her house, and take her from the area?

 

[Skully]

That is what is odd, IMO. If it is true that she didn't have a another charger or inhaler packed, then that says to me she wasn't ready to leave the house when she did.

this is the point I am trying to make. If these items are always with her, she didn't pack them for a reason that day. Either mom is mistaken or something started before the "end of the driveway". If the house wasn't broken into, the person may have been in already or she let them in. But yet we don't have a neighbor to confirm a car or truck near the home.

 

[Skully]

There was on case I followed and the child was taken from her bed, but the home was "staged" to make sure LE would think it was a kidnapping and not a murder or accident and the body was hidden. The person propped the door open with a "brick". Later the story changed and if the next story was true, there was no need to prop open a door with a brick because the situation now changed to more than one person being involved. No need to prop open a door to carry out a child if someone can hold the door for you.

My point is, people think they have to convince others what happened sometimes and it may convince the lay person, but to LE it is overkill. I am not saying that is what happened here, just trying to see how this played out, by stepping into the victims shoes and acting out her steps that morning.