Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #5 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[cluciano63]

As much as I don't think Sierra tossed her own phone...I don't think it can be said that she NEVER would do so, just because girls would never toss their phones...we don't know who tossed it or why, as yet, and we've all seen that people do things that they would "never" do...JMO. Anyway, it probably doesn't matter, just don't like to rule things out based on "a girl would never do that."

 

[Sjsleuth83]

Just another thought, and I hope LE has determined this....

But what was Sierra's bus taking routine like?

Did she take the bus EVERY single day, and this was the only day she didn't take it?

Or were there occasions, or even certain days of the week that she got a ride from someone?


These answers would really change the possiblities IMO. If this was the first time it ever happened, then i'd be leaning a bit more toward an online predator that had convinced her to meet with him.

But if she frequently got rides from people, especially on fridays, then its less likely an online predator, and more likely someone from school.

 

[jessieann]

Are these videos that she had put on Youtube, or that have been made since she has been missing (sorry I haven't had a chance to look)? I have seen so many nasty comments on videos on Youtube, it is really disturbing the things that sickos take the time to write on there, such disturbed people in the world who have way too much time on their hands.

Has there been anything on Topix for her area about her? That is another place that a lot of weirdos post, but sometimes you find some interesting clues. I even checked to see if maybe she was on Pinterest, that seems to be taking off lately and I see a lot teens using it as well, but I didn't find her on there.

The ones i looked at had been put up after the disappearance occurred.. It disgusts me... I did look for her on pintrest as well but couldn't find her....

 

[ccorbin24]

Was the phone analyzed for fingerprints? Maybe we could get an idea if someone else threw the phone out?

 

[LisaB]

Good analysis! Had not thought of clothing in bag being there to put back on when returning from school to fool mom... since she left for school after her mom left, agree about the makeup... I cannot remember if she got home after her mom did? Otherwise, no need for clothing deception...

My daughter used to leave for school (at age 13) after I left for work. So when I left, she was in a t-shirt and flannel PJ pants. She got home an hour before I did, and was generally in comfy clothes when I got home.

One morning I got to work and found her homework assignment among my belongings. I worked a mile from the school so I decided to wait until she arrived, meet her in the lobby, and give her the assignment. Her friends all knew/liked me, so I wasn't worried I would "embarass" her if I showed up.

The school dress code did not allow PJ pants, and was pretty stringent about the acceptable width of the straps on a tank top, exposed/visible undergarment straps, transparent clothing, and shorts or skirts that did not meet a certain length requirement, so I knew I did not see what she was wearing to school, but I did know most of the clothing in her wardrobe, and figured she was wearing a t-shirt, jeans, sneakers, and a hoodie to school like all the other kids (farm town).

At that age, she was extremely slender. Close to 5' tall, but in the 90 pound range, and physically "undeveloped" so I was SHOCKED, HORRIFIED, MORTIFIED when I got to the school and walked into the lobby to see her holding court among her friends dressed like a (no offence intended) transvestite prostitute. I am still wondering why the school allowed this, as nobody had ever called me concerned about her attire. She'd put together an outfit that included a mini skirt with the waistband folded under to make it even shorter, fishnet thigh-high stockings from Halloween (the stocking tops and part of each thigh were exposed, which I felt was really over-the-top), a pair of high heels we'd gotten her for the Homecoming dance, and a satin corset. As in lingerie. It was solid black with hooks up the back and boning all around. It had thin shoulder straps, and was something she had gotten her dad to buy her for Renaissance Festival.

Her friends were not "reacting" so I can only assume this was typical of her "style" until that day, when I banned black anything, thong anything, fishnet anything, corsets, and thigh high anything until she was older.

As for some comments about schools calling (or not) when a student is absent or late, our local schools (my BFs kids attend public school) robo-call parents around dinner time to tell them. I guess it is to be sure an adult will be home and the call will not be intercepted by the truant student. BUT...

When my daughter began high school, we had just moved from one community to another, and I was commuting an hour to work. The third day of school, mini-me overslept and missed her bus. She called me, and I told her that she was going to have to walk. It was a couple of miles, and as I said, a small community, so I was not concerned for her safety, but knew she would be there half an hour before I could even get to the house to pick her up, and felt it might teach her a lesson.

Several weeks passed and I got a call at my office from "the attendance office at the high school". When I picked up the call, the woman on the other end asked me if I could explain why my daughter had only been to school three days so far that year. I started freaking out, thinking that she was just oversleeping every day, blowing off school, and totally scamming me, ever since the day I made her walk. I was livid.

I asked for the phone number of the person I was speaking to so that I could investigate and call back. When she gave it to me, I realized she was calling from the high school my daughter WOULD have attended had we not moved the prior June. At that point, my question was no longer "Why did you wait so long to call?" but "Why do you have her marked present on three days, when she has never attended the school, and does not even have a schedule of classes there?"

 

[Hisimage]

OR- Those of you who have been up on her tweeting and social networking life. Do we know when her tweeting and texting stopped the night before? I remember somebody mentioning that they noticed her phone was turned off at 9;30 at night, or her mom took her phone at that time. But if we can compare when she quit the night before to her usual pattern?

Just a thought.

 

[DLynn]

I say kids keep tweeting and texting on those social networks.Lead us right to
Sierra.I can see the FBI monitoring them 24 hours a day.:rocker:

I totally agree with that. LE might get the break they need from that.

 

[Hisimage]

My daughter used to leave for school (at age 13) after I left for work. So when I left, she was in a t-shirt and flannel PJ pants. She got home an hour before I did, and was generally in comfy clothes when I got home.

One morning I got to work and found her homework assignment among my belongings. I worked a mile from the school so I decided to wait until she arrived, meet her in the lobby, and give her the assignment. Her friends all knew/liked me, so I wasn't worried I would "embarass" her if I showed up.

The school dress code did not allow PJ pants, and was pretty stringent about the acceptable width of the straps on a tank top, exposed/visible undergarment straps, transparent clothing, and shorts or skirts that did not meet a certain length requirement, so I knew I did not see what she was wearing to school, but I did know most of the clothing in her wardrobe, and figured she was wearing a t-shirt, jeans, sneakers, and a hoodie to school like all the other kids (farm town).

At that age, she was extremely slender. Close to 5' tall, but in the 90 pound range, and physically "undeveloped" so I was SHOCKED, HORRIFIED, MORTIFIED when I got to the school and walked into the lobby to see her holding court among her friends dressed like a (no offence intended) transvestite prostitute. I am still wondering why the school allowed this, as nobody had ever called me concerned about her attire. She'd put together an outfit that included a mini skirt with the waistband folded under to make it even shorter, fishnet thigh-high stockings from Halloween (the stocking tops and part of each thigh were exposed, which I felt was really over-the-top), a pair of high heels we'd gotten her for the Homecoming dance, and a satin corset. As in lingerie. It was solid black with hooks up the back and boning all around. It had thin shoulder straps, and was something she had gotten her dad to buy her for Renaissance Festival.

Her friends were not "reacting" so I can only assume this was typical of her "style" until that day, when I banned black anything, thong anything, fishnet anything, corsets, and thigh high anything until she was older.

As for some comments about schools calling (or not) when a student is absent or late, our local schools (my BFs kids attend public school) robo-call parents around dinner time to tell them. I guess it is to be sure an adult will be home and the call will not be intercepted by the truant student. BUT...

When my daughter began high school, we had just moved from one community to another, and I was commuting an hour to work. The third day of school, mini-me overslept and missed her bus. She called me, and I told her that she was going to have to walk. It was a couple of miles, and as I said, a small community, so I was not concerned for her safety, but knew she would be there half an hour before I could even get to the house to pick her up, and felt it might teach her a lesson.

Several weeks passed and I got a call at my office from "the attendance office at the high school". When I picked up the call, the woman on the other end asked me if I could explain why my daughter had only been to school three days so far that year. I started freaking out, thinking that she was just oversleeping every day, blowing off school, and totally scamming me, ever since the day I made her walk. I was livid.

I asked for the phone number of the person I was speaking to so that I could investigate and call back. When she gave it to me, I realized she was calling from the high school my daughter WOULD have attended had we not moved the prior June. At that point, my question was no longer "Why did you wait so long to call?" but "Why do you have her marked present on three days, when she has never attended the school, and does not even have a schedule of classes there?"

Just had to say as the teens say; "Same" execpt, my daughters seemed to have inherited somebodys gene that would give them larger breast than needed. And, at a young age---- people automatically assume that a girl with large breasts.... My daughter was in a tank top, a normal thick strapped one and she knew because of her body type we just did not allow tank tops to school. It just does not like right for her. So yes, she waited until I left and changed.

My girls are both in high school and we do not get a call until the evening they have missed and the auto call will name off every class that they were absent from. One day she was marked absent in one class by accident and I about flipped. The teacher called the next day to apologize because she had to go to him and tell him. He thought that was pretty funny.

I do believe it is done in the evening hoping that a parent will recieve the call without the teen getting the phone. The same reason our high school sends out report cards and progress reports so that the parent recieves it on a weekend .... those pesky teens will think of everything.

 

[Niner]

respectfully snipped...

SBM

The short answer: Yes.

Make sense? I'm not so clear at explaining it in words.

The Thanks button wasn't enough - :gthanks: GrainneDhu!!

I'm probably the only one on this thread/forum who doesn't own a cell phone... :what: :waitasec: LOL! Am not much at talking on the phone, and if someone wants to reach me - call my land line!!

 

[DLynn]

If I'm looking at the same comments you are, then disgusting doesn't even begin to describe them, but it looks as if it's one person posting the same awful things over and over. I'm sure the person can be easily tracked down by LE.

That hateful sick person looks like he trolls YouTube to say nasty things. LE should still follow through with this person though.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

OR- Those of you who have been up on her tweeting and social networking life. Do we know when her tweeting and texting stopped the night before? I remember somebody mentioning that they noticed her phone was turned off at 9;30 at night, or her mom took her phone at that time. But if we can compare when she quit the night before to her usual pattern?

Just a thought.

I looked back at the Twitter and most nights it ended between 8:45pm and 9:00 pm.

But I did find some interesting things on her twitter postings. I think we are suppose to clarify that this is Twitter so its all rumor, but here is some interesting things I saw from the day before.

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(Ok im working on a theory here. I have to look through twitter more to verify, but she seems to post on twitter while riding the bus. I can easily see this being a way to kill time, and get your word out for the day before school

On this day, her next post isn't until 10:08am. Maybe she missed the bus, or it never showed, and someone saw her waiting and gave her a rid that day. Or maybe she called someone for a ride. I think the bus schedule says her stop is at 7:24am, can anyone confirm?)
Either way, by looking through the postings and the times and the method of posting, one might be able to determine which days it looks like she took the bus, and which days she did somthing else or got a ride. If she got a ride often from friend(s) or guy(s), she might not be posting during that time, and instead talking to them.

Now just gotta go through twitte postings

 

[deca]

I know they used the word "secreted" but I doubt it was intentionally put there by Sierra with the idea she would come back for it.
1) IIRC it was raining/just had rained/was going to rain so a purse would have been ruined or wet- not a good hiding place

2) A picture showed crime scene tape (and the article implied that the purse was found in this area) around a ditch with vegetation at the side and behind a guard rail just off the road. I believe since the purse wasn't in plain view from the road someone used the word "secreted".

3) If she was coming back for it, why not have the phone and purse in the same place?

Also: as far as the perp being able to throw the purse and what side of the road it was found on. If Sierra was incapacitated (knocked out or tied up or even scared out of her mind) it would have been no big deal for perp to stop the car, open the door, stand up and throw the thing. Or even walk it over and drop it over the railing into the ditch. There isn't much traffic on that road. And if he was seen: how many of us see people pulled over to the side of the road and figure, eh, checking for car trouble, taking a leak, making a phone call? So, I guess I am trying to say I wouldn't put too much store in exactly where the purse was found and I don't think Sierra hid it.

 

[Niner]

BBM: If Sierra was abducted by a neighbour or someone close by, there could have been more than ample time. jumping off your post in general, it seems many are assuming as soon as SL got in the car it started moving toward and to the locations these items were found. In reality, if she was abducted between 7:10 and 7:30, and not reported missing until that evening, it leaves the perp a good many hours to do this. SL may not have even been in the car / truck when these items were pitched. MOO

re bold, and that's why I was asking about the phone pings! The LE know, I believe, how soon after the 7:11am text, where this phone was! I'm going to assume they HAVE done this already - wish they would let US know!!! lease:

 

[Frogzilla]

I do find it a bit curious how the info was released that they believe she may have been abducted, is possibly being held against her will, and has now turned into a what they are calling a situational crime in the matter of one day. What possible clues could they have to point away from a planned abduction and lean toward this?
I think you would need some type of "plan" to hold somebody against their will indefinitely. I know wishful thinking fits in line (that she is alive somewhere), but that seems to be quite the leap of faith for LE to make those statements together.
I think most of us have been working off of the assumption that something happened to her in close proximity to her driveway, or somebody was waiting or planned to meet her. Seems odd to me to push the planned crime theory to the side and work off of the crime of opportunity angle. Are we missing a huge chunk of this story? The paraphrase of what is being said seems to be, there's a good chance she was abducted, by someone who's presence in the area would not alarm her, someone very familiar with the area, this person did not plan it in advance, could be an impulsive act. Who's presence by her driveway would not alarm her before 7:30~ AM and who would they have in mind that would even be in the area at that time of morning to suddenly decide to abduct a teenager from her driveway?
It seems that this LE is being talkative with the public, floating quite a few ideas out there and hoping to generate any kind of leads. It does not seem like their focus is narrowing at all, except their suspicions are telling them this is probably a local perp.
Here are some of the related quotes- (The media is playing games with the meaning of some quotes, but I think we can decipher it)
Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith says she is not ready to call Sierra's disappearance a stranger abduction.
Smith tells NBC Bay Area that it's still quite possible that whoever took the 15-year-old girl on March 16 knew LaMar or was at least acquainted with her.
The sheriff's office is working on the theory that this was a crime of opportunity -- that the perpetrator didn't plan this in advance.
Sheriff Smith points out that in many crimes like this "it's impulsive."
"Less than 2 percent of the strangers that abduct children are registered sex offenders but they do have criminal histories."
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sheriff-LaMar-Disappearance-Crime-of-Opportunity-144881955.html
Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith said the most likely scenario is that Sierra was abducted by an acquaintance.
“An acquaintance could be anything. It cannot just be someone that she knows,” said Smith. “It can be someone that she’s comfortable seeing in the area that she knows would be there, someone that is really known to the area. But we don’t believe she ran away or left voluntarily.”
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...y-acquaintance-possible-in-sierra-lamar-case/
Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith told NBC Bay Area's Marianne Favro that Sierra's abduction was not a planned event. "We believe this was a situational crime," Smith said, meaning it was a crime of opportunity by a stranger. Smith also said she thinks the person who took Sierra knows the south county area very well and has strong ties there.
They are asking the public to watch for suspicious activity including:
someone who suddenly changes their appearance
recently cleaned their vehicle in an excessive manner
unexpected missed work days
obsesses or avoids media reports about the case
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Search-Moves-to-Waterways-144670055.html

 

[Niner]

Are there any neighbors who refused to let LE search?

Also, if she went to someplace like LA, which was suggested at one point as someplace she wanted to go, I don't think she would be noticed there. It is a long distance away and she would blend in. Even San Francisco. Not saying she did, but also not so sure she would be noticed.

Sorry for quoting yesterday's posts - I'm catching up here!!

Anyway - I have seen on TV stuff about Sierra and I'm about 100 miles north-east of San Francisco. We have had news about her up here!

Where are you Sierra!!??!!!

 

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If B on the above map is correct and that is her neighborhood. I would say they got on the 101 there, and headed South. ​

 

[Niner]

:
Originally Posted by shana
Late Wednesday afternoon Sierra Lamar’s mother made a desperate plea asking for her daughters return. Marlene Lamar standing at a podium at the search headquarters said “I would like to put out a personal plea to whoever is holding my daughter against her will, we understand there may have been events that led you to the situation.” Lamar went on to say “we just want her safe return, we are not focusing on getting you in trouble, we just want to end this nightmare.”

Seriously. What the HECK is wrong with KRON putting " " around what SL mom said when it in NO WAY matches what her mom said in the accompanying video. Geesh. :banghead:

Sorry, but I can't watch videos... :maddening: could you or someone else quote what she ACTUALLY said?!! TIA!

 

[Frogzilla]

Sorry, but I can't watch videos... :maddening: could you or someone else quote what she ACTUALLY said?!! TIA!

I would say that everything except for the bold part is a pretty accurate paraphrase to what she actually said in the video.

 

[mck16]

I would say that everything except for the bold part is a pretty accurate paraphrase to what she actually said in the video.

So are you saying that she didn't say the bold part, "we understand there may have been events that led you to the situation.” Or she did say it only different. could you be more specific please. thanks

 

[jessieann]

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/03/sierra_lamar_police_believe_mi.php

"Investigators are now saying they believe whoever abducted 15-year-old Sierra LaMar mostly likely knew her or, at the very least, was acquainted with her."
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