CA - Stephon Clark, 22, unarmed, fatally shot by Sacramento police, 18 March 2018

[Woodland]

"Deputies in the helicopter said they witnessed that man break the back sliding glass door of the house with a "tool bar."



Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206442339.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206442339.html

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Sacramento police chief believes black man killed by cops was alleged burglar from 911 call

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206442339.html#storylink=cpy

The witness added he didn’t see a pattern on the suspect’s hooded sweatshirt.

Police officer body camera footage released by the department showed Clark was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and dark sweatpants with white stripes. However, it also showed that Clark’s sweatshirt had large white letters on the front that read “THE NORTH FACE” with thick white and red lines in patterns around the words.

The witness told dispatchers he had “no idea” what the man used to break the windows of the automobiles.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206442339.html

 

[SuziQ]

I didn't realise breaking into a car was a death penalty offense.

It is the moment the cops thinks he has a gun. Cops have families they like to go home to at the end of their shift. They are supposed to wait and get shot first? Really?

 

[bluesneakers]

The witness added he didn’t see a pattern on the suspect’s hooded sweatshirt.

Police officer body camera footage released by the department showed Clark was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and dark sweatpants with white stripes. However, it also showed that Clark’s sweatshirt had large white letters on the front that read “THE NORTH FACE” with thick white and red lines in patterns around the words.

The witness told dispatchers he had “no idea” what the man used to break the windows of the automobiles.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206442339.html

So where do they get the "tool bar" from?

 

[SuziQ]

If you're a police officer, you should know the difference between a gun and an iPhone. And if you don't know for sure, you should do better than 10 gun shots each into a human being who has not threatened your safety!

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Did you watch the video?

 

[katydid23]

The witness added he didn’t see a pattern on the suspect’s hooded sweatshirt.

Police officer body camera footage released by the department showed Clark was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and dark sweatpants with white stripes. However, it also showed that Clark’s sweatshirt had large white letters on the front that read “THE NORTH FACE” with thick white and red lines in patterns around the words.

The witness told dispatchers he had “no idea” what the man used to break the windows of the automobiles.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206442339.html

Does this explain why he was outside running around in neighbors back yards and hopping fences in the middle of the night?

 

[Woodland]

Does this explain why he was outside running around in neighbors back yards and hopping fences in the middle of the night?

Does it explain an execution?

 

[Strangeworld]

I get the not shooting a fleeing suspected offender, but my guess (IMO at this point) that he had ceased fleeing for the reported interaction to occur. He HAD obsconded but in all likelihood the fleeing had ceased when the shooting unfolded. He made it to his perceived safe place and stopped running, the police issued instructions and he ignored them.

 

[Strangeworld]

It depends on the state. In some states if he entered a home he didn't even need to put his hand in his pocket, because of stand your ground laws. Ca doesn't have such law.

Thanks jjenny. But if a citizen was faced with this scenario, regardless of the law, I'm betting many would shoot to avoid losing their own life or loved ones.

 

[jjenny]

Fair point. This man didn't have a gun either, and hadn't hurt anyone.

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But I am pretty sure if the man who shot 17 children run from police, they could have legally shot him.

 

[bluesneakers]

Thanks jjenny. But if a citizen was faced with this scenario, regardless of the law, I'm betting many would shoot to avoid losing their own life or loved ones.

But he wasn't in anyone's house, was he? I thought he was shot in his grandmother's back yard. You can't just go around shooting kids for breaking car windows.

 

[Strangeworld]

But he wasn't in anyone's house, was he? I thought he was shot in his grandmother's back yard. You can't just go around shooting kids for breaking car windows.

No sorry I wasn't saying he was. I was just thinking aloud - like I said before I get the existence of inappropriate police shootings, but I also respect the instructions of a police officer and the horrible moment the police have to make a decision when someone ignores them and proceeds with an action that may lead to their death or a member of the public (or a suicide). What if the exact same scenario happened and a member of the public was standing nearby - instead of reaching for his phone he was reaching for a gun and the police did not shoot...and the consequence was that member of the public was killed? Would we be getting the same responses on here?

 

[otto]

But he wasn't in anyone's house, was he? I thought he was shot in his grandmother's back yard. You can't just go around shooting kids for breaking car windows.

Clark was not a "kid". He was a man who was breaking windows and vandalizing other people's property in the middle of the night. When the helicopter and police arrived, he started jumping fences to get away. He was confronted by police in the driveway, and he ran away from the police to the dark backyard.

 

[Kankan]

If a PO ask you to show your hands...you show your hands. Period. You don’t reach to pull out anything. A gun, a phone, a piece of gum. You show your hands. You also don’t run for sure. Let LE find out your innocent after. These PO’s have families they want to go home to. If you have to choose between shooting someone or being shot, you shoot. It’s terrible this guy died over a phone. Why didn’t he comply I wonder?

 

[bluesneakers]

No sorry I wasn't saying he was. I was just thinking aloud - like I said before I get the existence of inappropriate police shootings, but I also respect the instructions of a police officer and the horrible moment the police have to make a decision when someone ignores them and proceeds with an action that may lead to their death or a member of the public (or a suicide). What if the exact same scenario happened and a member of the public was standing nearby - instead of reaching for his phone he was reaching for a gun and the police did not shoot...and the consequence was that member of the public was killed? Would we be getting the same responses on here?

That's not what happened. I'm not sure what you're looking for in a response. The police shot and killed someone who was unarmed.

 

[Woodland]

Do we know what instructions LE gave this person before shooting him?

 

[Strangeworld]

That's not what happened. I'm not sure what you're looking for in a response. The police shot and killed someone who was unarmed.

To understand the context of people's views that's all. Context is everything, a case like this is never summed up in one sentence from our keyboards. It's all about risk - that's what LE have to assess every moment of every shift.

 

[otto]

That's not what happened. I'm not sure what you're looking for in a response. The police shot and killed someone who was unarmed.

He was just walking down the street, minding his own business, and the police came out of no where and shot him?

 

[jjenny]

He was just walking down the street, minding his own business, and the police came out of no where and shot him?

Many articles just say he was in his grandparents backyard when shot.

 

[otto]

Do we know what instructions LE gave this person before shooting him?

We do. It's in the video.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/3/22/17151960/stephon-clark-sacramento-police-shooting-video

 

[otto]

Many articles just say he was in his grandparents backyard when shot.

The rest of the articles and video footage tell a very different story.