who's they? Most theys would then call the cops on you & you'd be arrested & booked according to what they saw.I don't really care what one person's bias or opinion is, if I walk up to someone as I am right now - clearly female, show them my vagina, and tell them "please refer to me as a man", they should do exactly that.
yeah, uh huh... oh and respect them enough not to make judgements about them that encourage suicidesRespect peoples' identities and how they identify themselves. Just because YOU see a boy doesn't mean that person IS a boy, especially if they tell you they are a girl. Just because it confuses YOU and makes YOU uncomfortable doesn't mean you get to define others. (this is a general "you", not directed at any one individual here)
What if you woke up tomorrow with your brain that identifies you as one gender, but your body was that of the opposite gender? Now imagine living your entire life like that. And then being bullied and questioned for trying to live your life as the gender your brain tells you you are.
We need to get rid of gender bias and gender stereotyping.
yeah, uh huh... oh and respect them enough not to make judgements about them that encourage suicides
How would anyone know? Unless you chose to broadcast it, as you were encouraged to do by others, with their own agendas & not necessarily your best interests in mind.
Read this & other threads for survivors (potentially of any gender id or whatever) of BULLYING.
my concern is saving lives. others care more about sparing hurt feelings.I've tried to understand tangelo's (love that fruit btw) Approach to this subject, but I'm just not getting it. Last night, I watched some more of her videos, and she appeared to be highly intelligent to me. Such a sad outcome.
my concern is saving lives. others care more about sparing hurt feelings.
in a way, but that's just a part of it as far as it shows the kid was one who sought attention. The lgbtq group that presumed to counsel him, certainly took advantage of him, arguably sacrificed him, for their cause (and publicity). or theyre just incompetent. but they were allowed to, as no one else cared to, was capable to, or whatever. and the media runs with this stuff. trans**** gets headlines & hits.Tangelo - please elaborate. So you think if this young person hadn't "forced the issue" with the YouTube posts, etc. they would still be alive? That is an interesting speculation, if I'm understanding correctly.
in a way, but that's just a part of it as far as it shows the kid was one who sought attention. The lgbtq group that presumed to counsel him, certainly took advantage of him, arguably sacrificed him, for their cause (and publicity). or theyre just incompetent. but they were allowed to, as no one else cared to, was capable to, or whatever. and the media runs with this stuff. trans**** gets headlines & hits.
he was 16. like 16 year olds everywhere in regards to everything, he bought into the hype & did what he did to live up to that hype. by taking his life.
no one told him that if you seek attention, you dont get to decide what attention you get. seems to me he was told something different. by adults with other priorities.
the praise he's being lauded with here & everywhere after his death, is why he killed himself. i'd prefer to prevent that with the next next kid.
So let me pose a question to everyone on this thread. If you had of been this child's parent, how would you have handled this? What would you have done in the situation of a child who was presenting themselves in clothing other than their bio gender....and being ridiculed? What would you do?
It's the PRAISE that made him kill himself?
So let me pose a question to everyone on this thread. If you had of been this child's parent, how would you have handled this? What would you have done in the situation of a child who was presenting themselves in clothing other than their bio gender....and being ridiculed? What would you do?
O.K., now I get it. I think you and Dexter are saying about the same thing, if I am understanding correctly. I had to look up Fallbrook, CA as I had never heard of it. (Sorry Fallbrook). It's very close to Camp Pendleton, and there are some notable celebrities that have secondary homes there.
Anyway, I agree that *adults* using any minor to promote a cause in a manner that could ultimately cause them psychological or physical harm is patently wrong. Adults who can understand the consequences of their platform and stance still can feel overwhelmed, let alone a 16 year old kid. So you and I agree on this point Tangelo. If adults willfully interfered with the health (mental or otherwise) of this young person against the will of the parents, then they have some trouble on their hands. Further, if the school was notified and did nothing to stop harassment, threats, or attacks of any type....then they have exposure as well, in my amateur opinion.
no one has documented any harassment threats or attacks. just bullying. and criticism or derision of clothes, that counts as bullying they say.
also none of the links provided thus far provide any parental comment.
he was encouraged to embrace a victim status (based on his thoughts, feelings--no actual diagnosis) & was well informed by those adults the growing trend of transgender teens committing suicide. and then praised by bravery and beauty and victimization or whateverhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fornia-kills-self-bullying.html#ixzz3XUnkrXdp
I doubt the unintentionally. and the well intentioned.If this is the case, then he was indeed (no doubt unintentionally) martyred for the cause. As I stated upthread, while no doubt well intentioned, the end result demonstrates why putting this type of pressure on a child is wrong. Scientists say our brains aren't fully formed until we are 25, and heaven only knows when we truly reach the age of emotional maturity. This was just far far too heavy a crusade for a sixteen year old, and could have been handled in a more measured and thoughtful manner.