Ambercat
Well-Known Member
I was thinking about John Doe #52 "Hawth Off Head" and wondering if he could of had a surname ending in "~off"
This might be a long shot, but I was wondering if Steve Losonczi http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/losonczi_steve.html could be Portland Eck or Elk http://doenetwork.org/cases/1281umor.html? I noticed a strong resemblance between the two and the heights and weights are very close.
DoeNetwork has revised that and is now saying that was an error. Portland Eck remains unidentified:
"1281UMOR - Relisted - Erroneously marked as identified. Image added, NamUs info added, age range changed from 30-40 to 35-45, identifier availability added."
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1281umor.html
For the "Portland Elk/Eck" man...Is it possible he had recently been released from jail or prison since he had no shoe laces? Sorry if I am way off or already been discussed, as I am just now reading up on this.
For the "Portland Elk/Eck" man...Is it possible he had recently been released from jail or prison since he had no shoe laces? Sorry if I am way off or already been discussed, as I am just now reading up on this.
Hello,
I am new to the site and this is my first post so forgive me if this is not in the correct location.
My father was murdered in September of 1976, he was a John Doe for about a week. He was found in Big Sur at the bottom of an embankment partially in a creek. It is an unsolved case and I have gotten very little assistance from the Sheriffs Office. In doing my own research I came across Randy Kraft and due to a large amount of similarities began to suspect that my father may be one of his victims. A private detective assisted me for a while and agreed with me but the current cold case detective was unwilling to even look at the possibility. About 3 years ago (10 years after my previous contact) the Sheriffs Office contacted us stating they believe my fathers murder is connected to the Kraft case and wanted information about what he was wearing and what personal items he had with him when he was last seen, they said they checked the evidence trailer that the Los Angeles Sheriffs Office has and they were unable to find any matches but that upon further review he does not believe my father is a Kraft victim as Kraft did not typically operate that far north. I informed him of the Oregon victims but did not receive a response. In looking over the scorecard and I feel pretty strongly that the entry "Big Sur" and the victim associated with that entry is incorrect... The reason listed is that the victim mentioned wanting to go there/visiting there/or moving there. Most of the entries on that scorecard are directly related to the way they were killed, places they were found, or identifying marks on the victim, except that one entry. Also it was originally believed Kraft took a break between late 1975 and 1978, later that was changed to include the December of 1976 Murder of Paul Fuchs, which, given Krafts track record would be highly unlikely, in my opinion. Which means there are a lot of men to account for over that nearly 3 year time span.
Due to the specifics in my fathers case I believe that some victims have not been connected to Kraft due to either poor/incomplete autopsy or a belief that Kraft stuck to the same M.O. with every victim and I personally think he changed things up a bit now and then. Not all were mutilated, not all were drugged (or found to be drugged), some strangled and some not...
I have read through this thread pretty well and would be greatly interested in any thoughts or opinions anyone would like to contribute to my situation.
Also I have seen a post or two about photos that were shown at one point in time... does anyone know how or where I might be able to see those photos?
Thanks so much for taking the time to read and I apologize for the excessive length of the post.
HC864, found on March 25th, 1978 in front of a home at the 3700 block of East Hammel Street in East L.A. Sounds to me like he was dumped there. Without clothing or jewelry too, according to the case information.
HC541, found on June 27th, 1978 in an orange grove in Irvine, Orange County. I was wondering a bit about the wording tie around neck. Somehow it doesnt sound like he was wearing it, when compared to the list of his (other) clothing, so maybe he was strangled with it?
HC1864, found on March 28th, 1979 and May 22th, 1979 - his head and body had been separated. The body was found first, in Mount Baldy Village and the head in May in Claremont. Kraft had dismembered some of his victims, some of them in 1979, like 76 John Doe and Gregory Jolley (LAKES MC).
Hello,
I am new to the site and this is my first post so forgive me if this is not in the correct location.
My father was murdered in September of 1976, he was a John Doe for about a week. He was found in Big Sur at the bottom of an embankment partially in a creek. It is an unsolved case and I have gotten very little assistance from the Sheriffs Office. In doing my own research I came across Randy Kraft and due to a large amount of similarities began to suspect that my father may be one of his victims. A private detective assisted me for a while and agreed with me but the current cold case detective was unwilling to even look at the possibility. About 3 years ago (10 years after my previous contact) the Sheriffs Office contacted us stating they believe my fathers murder is connected to the Kraft case and wanted information about what he was wearing and what personal items he had with him when he was last seen, they said they checked the evidence trailer that the Los Angeles Sheriffs Office has and they were unable to find any matches but that upon further review he does not believe my father is a Kraft victim as Kraft did not typically operate that far north. I informed him of the Oregon victims but did not receive a response. In looking over the scorecard and I feel pretty strongly that the entry "Big Sur" and the victim associated with that entry is incorrect... The reason listed is that the victim mentioned wanting to go there/visiting there/or moving there. Most of the entries on that scorecard are directly related to the way they were killed, places they were found, or identifying marks on the victim, except that one entry. Also it was originally believed Kraft took a break between late 1975 and 1978, later that was changed to include the December of 1976 Murder of Paul Fuchs, which, given Krafts track record would be highly unlikely, in my opinion. Which means there are a lot of men to account for over that nearly 3 year time span.
Due to the specifics in my fathers case I believe that some victims have not been connected to Kraft due to either poor/incomplete autopsy or a belief that Kraft stuck to the same M.O. with every victim and I personally think he changed things up a bit now and then. Not all were mutilated, not all were drugged (or found to be drugged), some strangled and some not...
I have read through this thread pretty well and would be greatly interested in any thoughts or opinions anyone would like to contribute to my situation.
Also I have seen a post or two about photos that were shown at one point in time... does anyone know how or where I might be able to see those photos?
Thanks so much for taking the time to read and I apologize for the excessive length of the post.
What is everyone's opinion on this post? Is it possible this man is a Kraft victim?