CA CA - Westlake Village, HispFem 18-30, UP11249, pregnant, in parking lot, Jul'80

[Springrain]

I often wonder if she worked at Tiny Naylor's? From images, it appears that it was literally a carhop place like Sonic. Image is from 1974

More images: Tiny Naylors on Sunset Blvd.

I had this thought too - was going back and forth on if she was maybe a carhop girl or a fry cook - then I thought, somebody at the store would probably have reported her missing, but now I'm thinking maybe not. I can see multiple possibilities with this. Her clothing probably wouldn't match with a work uniform, but that doesn't mean she didn't work there - maybe she changed after work and was planning to go home or go out before being abducted by Chouest, and/or she could've been a local craving burgers and fries with her pregnancy. I am open to possibilities on this.

 

[carbuff]

Even if her coworkers knew she was missing, police often won't take a missing persons report from them. They require it to be family or maybe a roommate. It's pretty common for people to just stop showing up for a job.

I wonder if there's a Facebook group for former employees of Tiny Naylor's? It seems to have been a kind of landmark place.

 

[Springrain]

Even if her coworkers knew she was missing, police often won't take a missing persons report from them. They require it to be family or maybe a roommate. It's pretty common for people to just stop showing up for a job.

I wonder if there's a Facebook group for former employees of Tiny Naylor's? It seems to have been a kind of landmark place.

This is sort of what I was thinking, maybe they just thought she quit if she did work there.

 

[hafom8840]

I wonder if there's a Facebook group for former employees of Tiny Naylor's? It seems to have been a kind of landmark place.

Good thinking. This would be a good place to check. I hear that residents of the area surrounding and even alumni of WLHS are unaware about the VCJD case. If that is so, then it's not out of the question some old timers who worked at Tiny Naylor's might not have known about what happened to their co worker who suddenly stopped showing up (assuming she did in fact work there)

 

[Springrain]

Good thinking. This would be a good place to check. I hear that residents of the area surrounding and even alumni of WLHS are unaware about the VCJD case. If that is so, then it's not out of the question some old timers who worked at Tiny Naylor's might not have known about what happened to their co worker who suddenly stopped showing up (assuming she did in fact work there)

I feel like part of that has to be that there was a lot of crime and a lot of Does going on in the area at the time. My mother is originally from Long Beach, which of course isn't Westlake Village but still, and never knows about any of the LA Does and says there was so much crime happening that she didn't hear about any unidentified murder victims.

I like the Tiny Naylor's group idea as well.

 

[carbuff]

Is anybody on Facebook enough to do it? I have an account but I barely check it and wouldn't know how to go about starting.

 

[Friday Fan]

One way on FB would be to go to a Los Angeles group.

We have a "Street News" group. It started as a response to toilet paper and grocery shortage. However, once the shortage was over, it turned into a whatever group. Missing people are featured along with every thing else. Lost and found etc. Many of the participants are lower income because many of the members made masks and sold them.

We also have a local "Do you remember" groups..Discussion consists mainly of venues, however crime cases also pop up. We had a cold case discussion of the 1976 murder of a wealthy woman and actually got somewhere. Our group is full of media people and local celebrities. (I quickly learned never bash a local celebrity because they were in the group..LOL) We had someone join the group searching for a friend that she hadn't seen since HS etc..
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It may be worth posting in those types of groups, indicating where she likely lived and mention Tiny Naylors...This would be broader than a Tiny Naylors group...

I would hope that local LE would be aware of those groups because they are great ways to exchange information.

They may have "low riders" groups, "You know you are from Los Angeles" stuff like that. Lyra Jade's brows says that she is from Los Angeles.

I think our own Carl is from the Los Angeles area...(Hint, hint..wink wink)



VCJD has been featured in Mexican Genealogy groups. (I'm not Mexican, but I'm a member)

 

[Tired Professor]

Tiny Naylor’s was a chain, correct? I believe there was one in Seal Beach. Are we talking about the one at Sunset and La Brea? If so, didn’t that close in 1980?

Edit: I got curious and looked it up. According to the Wikipedia page the original location was closed in 1984. Someone in a So-Cal Facebook group mentioned in a post about Tiny Naylor’s that it closed in 1980.

Pic attached.

 

[Springrain]

Are we talking about the one at Sunset and La Brea?

Yes, that one

 

[Friday Fan]

Tiny Naylor’s was a chain, correct? I believe there was one in Seal Beach. Are we talking about the one at Sunset and La Brea? If so, didn’t that close in 1980?

Edit: I got curious and looked it up. According to the Wikipedia page the original location was closed in 1984. Someone in a So-Cal Facebook group mentioned in a post about Tiny Naylor’s that it closed in 1980.

Pic attached.

Numerous sources assign a date to pic of Tiny Naylor's on the auction block to 1984. As to when it went out of business, I have no idea

 

[Tired Professor]

Numerous sources assign a date to pic of Tiny Naylor's on the auction block at1984. As to when it went out of business, I have no idea

Thank you! When I saw the comment that it closed in 1980, I started to wonder
If it perhaps closed before she was abducted which would cast doubt on her being picked up there.

 

[Tired Professor]

Yes, that one

Thank you. I was thinking it was much closer to McArthur park for some reason.

 

[Friday Fan]

It's about a 2 hour walk from Tiny Naylor's to MacArthur Park.
That's why I was wondering if she worked there and maybe he offered her a ride.

 

[Springrain]

It's about a 2 hour walk from Tiny Naylor's to MacArthur Park.
That's why I was wondering if she worked there and maybe he offered her a ride.

Maybe she lived close to MacArthur Park and was working at Tiny Naylor's and he offered to drop her off at home?

 

[Friday Fan]

Maybe she lived close to MacArthur Park and was working at Tiny Naylor's and he offered to drop her off at home?

Yeah...total wild speculation...
She may have also worked at a venue near Naylor's and that is where he met her....Chouest never tells the truth, but since he did say something about Naylor's there could be a grain of truth to it.

 

[carbuff]

Thank you! When I saw the comment that it closed in 1980, I started to wonder
If it perhaps closed before she was abducted which would cast doubt on her being picked up there.

If she did work there, and it was closing, that would make it harder for her co-workers to recognize that she was missing.

 

[Springrain]

Paging @CarlK90245 - do you have any recollection of Tiny Naylor's or when it closed?

 

[CarlK90245]

Paging @CarlK90245 - do you have any recollection of Tiny Naylor's or when it closed?

Tiny Naylors was actually a coffee shop chain in the 70s and early 80s. As I recall, they had a location in Inglewood and one in El Segundo.

I don't remember the original Tiny Naylors on Sunset & La Brea, or when it closed.

 

[Friday Fan]

Wikipedia says they closed on March 11, 1984.

Tiny Naylor's - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dreyfuss, John (March 9, 1984). "Tiny Naylor's Drive-in—The Sun Sets at Sunset and La Brea". Los Angeles Times.


Images are copywritten, so I can't post, but only link

RN-148-24.tif | Historic Hollywood Photographs
1984 Demolition of Tiny Naylor's at Sunset Blvd. & La Brea Ave

RN-148-21.tif | Historic Hollywood Photographs

www.hollywoodphotographs.com

1984 Vacant & abandoned Tiny Naylor's Drive In at Sunset Blvd. & La Brea Ave.

Taken on March 12, 1984
- Source: Flickr -Want A Good Time, Hockey Puck? by Terry Guy, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/6XQXQb

Tiny Naylors on Sunset Blvd. (This blog also mentions 1984)

TIny Naylor's on Sunset at La Brea was an example of "Googie architecture". There was a bit of an uproar when it was demolished. In 1984, the Conservancy created a Fifties Task Force (now the Modern Committee) to fight the rapid destruction of important Modern architecture throughout L.A. County. The final straw was the loss of two beloved Googie coffee shops, Tiny Naylor’s at Sunset Boulevard and La Brea Avenue (Douglas Honnold, 1949)https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/default/files/files/documents/Jul-Aug15.pdf

The La Times article referenced in Wikipedia, but not available was written by an architecture critic.
I think 1980 gets tossed around because people say "The 80's" then it gets changed to 1980. And TBH, most people don't remember the exact year a fast food place closed. They just remember that it closed around a certain time. Life goes on and many places have closed. Dates get blurred etc etc...

 

[SDHELPS]

I don't have a lot to add but grew up in this area in the 60's through 80's. This is a group FB page that discusses those favorite spots we use to frequent. Hopefully it will shed some light?

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ETA: Hoping this FB page is allowed. It's one I follow but now see it's private