Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #22

[MissEva]

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[Bravo]

I'm a guest who lurked on this thread all of last week but JadeSLeuth has convinced me to finally pick a user name and contribute!

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[hblibrarylady]

If Allen really did use Garland's ideas and design for the pump why didn't Garland take Allen to court and SUE him?

 

[ABro]

I hope they do have evidence. The more evidence the more solid the case. I just remember during the Bosma trial waiting for the evidence that he was shot in the field and then in the end no evidence of this was presented.

The crown at Bosma did not say where Tim was shot in the opening statement. Nor did they say definitively in the closing that he was shot in the field. This is from the opening statement:

The Crown intends to prove that on this date in the late evening hours, Tim Bosma was killed in his truck, shot by the two accused at close range, while on a test drive with his truck; his body then incinerated hours later by the two accused.

It was put to Smich in cross that Tim Bosma was shot in the field and was presented as a theory at the very end of the trial. So it's a bit different from here although you are very right that it will be circumstantial evidence used to try and prove the theory.

ETA: Added in direct quote to show the field is not mentioned, only inside the truck, which the Crown definitely proved. It would be a big tactical mistake to say you're going to prove something, as the Crown did here, and then not prove it.

 

[olivebpa1]

The crown at Bosma did not say where Tim was shot in the opening statement. Nor did they say definitively in the closing that he was shot in the field.

It was put to Smich in cross and was presented as a theory. So it's a bit different from here although you are very right that itwill be circumstantial evidence used to try and prove the theory.

It didn't even occur to me that at the Bosma trial the crown didn't say that in their opening statement. Since the crown in this case brought it up in the opening statement you are right. It is different.

 

[Kamille]

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 12m12 minutes ago
Jury coming back in. #Garland resuming.

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 11m11 minutes ago
Sgt. Jens Lind is next on the stand at #Garland trial.

[video=twitter;823631648524791808]https://twitter.com/MetroLucie/status/823631648524791808[/video]

 

[ABro]

It didn't even occur to me that at the Bosma trial the crown didn't say that in their opening statement. Since the crown in this case brought it up in the opening statement you are right. It is different.

Even in the closing, Leitch said something along the lines of we believe it was the field but there are only two people that know and they have completely different stories so the Crown at Bosma was never anywhere near as definitive as the Crown has been here.

 

[Kamille]

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 10m10 minutes ago
Lind is a district training officer, with district 7. 20 year veteran. Was in K-9 unit. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 9m9 minutes ago
Sgt. Jens Lind is first to take the stand. He is a member of the CPS K9 unit. Detailing extensive process in joining K9 unit. #Garland

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 8m8 minutes ago
Lind was with K-9 Unit in July /14; explaining different types of dogs, which include cadaver dogs. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 9m9 minutes ago
Lind says they generally use labs for detection purposes (guns, cadavers, etc) #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 9m9 minutes ago
Sgt. Lind is in the canine unit of the Calgary police service. Among the dogs' duties is cadaver detection. #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 7m7 minutes ago
"The dog's sense of smell is about 40 times stronger than us," Sgt. Lind says of using dogs for tracking. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 7m7 minutes ago
Lind's basic training includes a 25 week training program (criminal apprehension, tracking-- using SCENTS) #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 6m6 minutes ago
Lind is talking about molecules on objects, how dog can "clue in" on a molecule, knowing if he's moving in the right direction. #Garland

 

[Hatfield]

If Allen really did use Garland's ideas and design for the pump why didn't Garland take Allen to court and SUE him?

That would have been the rational thing to do if he thought he had a right to some compensation or had any rights to the patent.

DG was not rational and I suspect his motivation for the murder went beyond just compensation. I am guessing his hatred of him was part of the motive. I think he built up a hatred and once there he would not let it go.

It almost sounds like when two neighbors begin feuding and nothing seems to be able to stop it until it comes to a head and something bad happens.

For people on the outside looking in the things they feud about seem "petty" LOL but to the people living through it the emotions get very heated and serious. Its hard to talk sense into people when they are going through something like that.

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 4m4 minutes ago
Lind says he took a week long course on cadaver detection with his previous service dog Haro. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 4m4 minutes ago
In July, 2007, Sgt. Lind attended course in Cody, Wyoming on cadaver detection. #Garland

[video=twitter;823635198155915265]https://twitter.com/MetroLucie/status/823635198155915265[/video]

 

[Kamille]

[video=twitter;823634497577029636]https://twitter.com/CBCMeg/status/823634497577029636[/video]

 

[Kamille]

Bill GravelandVerified account &#8207;@BillGraveland 2m2 minutes ago
Lind has discussed his credentials. He says Sully was born in 2006 and is a Labrador retriever. Prefer the labs because of stamina. #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account &#8207;@CBCMeg 3m3 minutes ago
Sully was born Dec. 13, 2006 in Sask. He's a yellow Lab. Best police dog qualities: agility & high energy #Garland

Michael PlattVerified account &#8207;@SUNMichaelPlatt 2m2 minutes ago
Labradors make better cadaver-sniffing dogs that shepherds because they have twice the stamina, court is told. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 2m2 minutes ago
Sully goes through certification on an annual basis. "I qualify, certify with Sully," says Lind. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Lind says for dogs it's all a game. Says they have to know they will stick w the game - "no matter how tough it is to get the ball" #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account &#8207;@NancyHixt 14s15 seconds ago
Lind says because of specialized training, Sully "thinks it's fun to find human remains" #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 47s48 seconds ago
During training or "imprinting" Lind says Sully was given diff scents "They use their nose to discover and experience things" #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account &#8207;@CBCMeg 23s23 seconds ago
Sully doesn't know he's doing police work, for him, everything is a game. Lind says Sully "thinks it's fun to find human remains." #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 21s22 seconds ago
"Dogs, they are naturally curious," Sgt. Lind says of training canines to search for cadavers. #Garland

 

[Kamille]

Bryan LabbyVerified account &#8207;@CBCBryan 53s54 seconds ago
Court reporter tells Sgt. Lind to slow down his testimony, he says "I get passionate about this" #Garland

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 49s50 seconds ago
"I get passionate about this," says Lind when stenographer asks him to slow down describing the reward system for Sully. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
The stenographer has had to ask Lind to slow down twice. "I get passionate about his," he says (and has since slowed his roll) #Garland.

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
They teach dogs like Sully about searching through a reward system where they get their toy back at the end of a search. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 45s46 seconds ago
As they get better at catching a scent they will make it "more and more difficult" and change the hides to higher/lower spots. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 49s49 seconds ago
Lind says Sully was qualified in 2008 as a cadaver search dog. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts now45 seconds ago
Sgt. Lind had no concerns about Sully's abilities prior to his certification as a cadaver dog. #Garland

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie now25 seconds ago
Lind says it's important to have a relationship with a police dog b/c he can tell when something truly alerts him or distracts him #Garland

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 25s26 seconds ago
Will do quick head snap, says Lind. Smaller alerts like quick turn of head. Sully will be very animated when interested in a scent. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie now33 seconds ago
When Sully finds something he will sit in front of it, nose down and stare at it until Lind comes and moves him. #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 36s37 seconds ago
Tail wags, excited if interested. If on alert, sits still, stares and stays at a spot, says Lind of Sully. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie now47 seconds ago
#Garland doesn't appear to be taking notes today as he has in previous days. #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 3s3 seconds ago
Lind explains how they used human blood (one low + one in a tree) in Sully's training, as well as pork buried + up in a tree #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts now32 seconds ago
To get certified Sully went through a training test with six "hides" of human blood and pork. #Garland

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 24s25 seconds ago
Sully's skills were tested with pork up in a tree, hidden under leaves, and human blood. He did a great job, says Lind. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 6s7 seconds ago
Contrarty to my previous tweet, #Garland is now bent over in the prisoner box and appears to be taking notes. #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 5s5 seconds ago
"He did fantastic, he passed," says Lind of Sully's certification test. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie now34 seconds ago
Lind says he can pick up scents "several hundred meters out"when there is "nice to moderate wind" #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 8s9 seconds ago
Lind says Sully shows curiosity to animal scents but doesn't react to it in same way as a scent he's searching for (doesn't sit) #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 30s30 seconds ago
"Dead animals could be a distraction," says Lind, explaining Sully trained to ignored them. #Garland

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 37s37 seconds ago
Have to make sure "It's not just another dead animal" in the woods, says Lind. #Garland

Michael PlattVerified account &#8207;@SUNMichaelPlatt 34s34 seconds ago
"We use pork because it's closest to human body" hears #Garland trial on discussion of cadaver dog training. #yyc

Nancy HixtVerified account &#8207;@NancyHixt 27s27 seconds ago
Lind: human blood and pork is used to train cadaver dogs--said pork is closest to human/bodies break down like humans #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account &#8207;@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Dead animals can be a distraction but Sully is trained to ignore them, says Lind #Garland

 

[Kamille]

If Allen really did use Garland's ideas and design for the pump why didn't Garland take Allen to court and SUE him?

Exactly, he seemed to have no problem using legal avenues to get what he felt entitled to. I question whether this "petty" disagreement is the only motive in this case.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
"we'll always challenge the dogs" says Lind of weekly training b/w certifications/calls. Says they hide things in rows of cars etc #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account &#8207;@CBCMeg 36s36 seconds ago
In 2013, Sully invited to Calgary medical examiner's office to do a "little bit of PR" and a "little bit of training" #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account &#8207;@KMartinCourts 31s31 seconds ago
In 2013, Sully was invited to the medical examiner's office where he found a hidden jaw bone. #Garland

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 48s48 seconds ago
Sorry, Sully certified in 2009. Thought I heard 2008. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account &#8207;@NancyHixt 52s53 seconds ago
2013 Sully went to Medical Examiners office #yyc did demo--used 12-14yr old lower jawbone in demo--hid in parking lot & found #Garland

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
In Sept 2013 Lind and Sully did their certification together. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 22s23 seconds ago
@CalgaryPolice is the only unit in Western Canada with certified cadaver search dogs. #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney &#8207;@ValFortney 44s45 seconds ago
"He was a bit of a rock star, he was pretty phenomenal," says Lind of Sully as a cadaver dog. #Garland

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson &#8207;@MetroLucie 38s39 seconds ago
"he was a bit of a rockstar, he was pretty phenomenal" Lind says comparing Sully 2 other cadaver search dogs, admitting he's biased #Garland

This handler's obvious love and admiration for Sully is very sweet. :loveyou:

 

[Kamille]

Not sure when she tweeted this but just as a precaution....

Nancy Hixt@NancyHixt
A warning that today some of the evidence being presented is graphic--so be aware some people may find today's content disturbing #Garland