Elley Mae
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The cover on the pool could be a solar cover.
Just jumping in after looking at the floor plans. It looks to me that if it is a murder/suicide and he killed her on another floor he would have had to manuever the body down a spiral staircase, or a regular staircase that is further away from the pool. I just can't see that happening. There is a "lift" mentioned on the floor plan, so maybe there was an elevator that he used?
Thank you for all of you that are so knowledgeable and have such interesting perspectives. This is a fascinating case and I feel for their family and friends.
That’s a lawsuit, not caselaw. Also those allegations are of complete malfeasance. People right now are saying that the family could sue and I am wondering what law and facts this is based on.
I think we've also got a distraught family who won't accept double suicide or murder-suicide...and who also happen to have very highly-placed friends.
Lot of big names (friends of the family) already commenting in the media.
The family has already voiced their displeasure with leaks/conjecture from Police sources.
I'm guessing Police are going to very tight-lipped about any developments from here on.
I think you both have made a good case that the family wishes are being followed. A case in point The Toronto Globe and Mail has removed their comment portion and replaced it with "[FONT=.SFUIText]We have closed comments on this story for legal reasons".
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If they had security cameras, probably would have indoor security and even if the security was turned off....security history would show any door openings and any sensors being activated through the house(in what rooms exactly) and at what time.
I worked with a woman years ago... she and her husband were very close friends with another couple (Mr and Mrs X). They saw each other several times a week, went on vacations together all the time. Had been friends for years.I did some research into murder-suicides involving couples and found they had one or more of the following elements: a history of domestic violence and/or a possessive, jealous, controlling partner; separation or divorce proceedings, usually initiated by the victim; mental illness; and serious financial, legal or personal problems.
Perhaps there were issues in the Sherman' life and relationship that even their closest friends were unaware of? To the outside world, they lived a charmed life but who knows what goes on behind closed doors?
Or it could have been a double murder, carefully staged to look like a double suicide or murder-suicide.
Thanks for your post.Perhaps the family is using politicians Linda Frum and Justine Trudeau to reign in Toronto Police and pressure them to acquiesce to the families wishes to designate this as a criminal investigation.
Tighthead,perhaps LE and the media are acting on the measured 'threat' taken from families press statement & to simply comply with the families wishes.
The family released a statement, saying: “We are shocked and think it’s irresponsible that police sources have reportedly advised the media of a theory which neither their family, their friends nor their colleagues believe to be true.
“We urge the Toronto Police Service to conduct a thorough, intensive and objective criminal investigation, and urge the media to refrain from further reporting as to the cause of these tragic deaths until the investigation is completed.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-canadian-police-say/?utm_term=.671ea36d5ae6
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[/FONT]I apologize for quoting myself but I wanted to include the The Toronto Globe and Mail's statement that they removed the comments because of legal reasons. So they must have worried the family might initiate some sort of 'legal tangle' for them.
Actually wondering if at any point the power was turned off?
Where would the electrical panel be in the home, if someone was familiar or made themselves familiar with it, they could shutdown the house breaker and "work" unseen in the dark, or near dark.
If they do not have a generator that switches on in such an event, lights and cctv cameras would presumably turn off too..
Hydro would likely be able to confirm an event like that, imo, speculation.
It seems like Barry was pragmatic. What is pragmatic about hanging?
I can't decide if it was a double murder staged to look like suicide or a murder/suicide staged to look like a double murder.
Ever since I had a coworker who died that way (and whom I had a big crush on), I've wondered how common it really is. What awkward silences occurred in my office in the weeks after that tragedy.Nothing really. The only thing that comes to mind is auto eroticism, possibly after ingesting something. We will likely never really know what happened.
It seems like Barry was pragmatic. What is pragmatic about hanging?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_CanadaDuring the 1980s and 1990s, firearms (or explosives) and hanging were the first- and second-most frequent means of suicide among Canadian males,
Not sure, but it's very common. I think it would be very unusual for people like the Shermans to own a gun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Canada
The guy made a fortune in pharmaceuticals. Surely he had access to some drugs.
The only thing that might make sense is that hanging is decisive, and this man seems decisive. Once you hang from the rope, there really is no backing out.
Other than that, hanging doesn't really make much sense to me.
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Actually wondering if at any point the power was turned off?
Where would the electrical panel be in the home, if someone was familiar or made themselves familiar with it, they could shutdown the house breaker and "work" unseen in the dark, or near dark.
If they do not have a generator that switches on in such an event, lights and cctv cameras would presumably turn off too..
Hydro would likely be able to confirm an event like that, imo, speculation.
BBM
^^^ This. The evidence must have been pretty obvious for LE to come the murder/suicide conclusion so quickly. They shouldn't have leaked it, though, without telling the family first.
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