Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #15

[kiwi50]

Is JS ‘s husband a stay at home father, we hear very little of him being involved in any of their business’s.

 

[Sphinx]

Is JS ‘s husband a stay at home father, we hear very little of him being involved in any of their business’s.

He is involved in JS's family foundation, and so is AP.
Fred And Jon Sherman & Family Foundation in 155 WELLINGTON STREET W...

 

[Sphinx]

This bitcoin thing that JS got involved in Japan, has me curious.

It is my understanding that the big advantage of bitcoins is the ability to transfer funds secrectly and anonymously. If you are doing things that are moral, ethical, legal or honourable I do not believe you have any need for bitcoins.

The other aspect of bitcoins that is appealling to some, is the ability to trade them, as currency speculators do with regular currencies and commodities. Now usually currency trading involves huges sums, as the margins are slim. Likely that is the same for bitcoins. (You are not likey to trade the equivalent of a $100.00 at a time, I belive minimun is about $50,000 a trade.).

Considering JS appeared to be cash poor (needs $6.2 million short term from dad, and needs to fund dad $50 million) Why would any sensible businessman that JS purports to be, start investing in risky bitcoins? Didn't Green Storage offer enough investment opportunities?

There is an adage that states; 'within every lie contains a grain of truth'. So JS went to Japan and got involved with bitcoins. However maybe it was not for investing but for transfer of funds to some unknown party.
MOO

I do not know much about bitcoin, but I found this older article that describes the use of bitcoin to pay Japanese hitmen.
Meet The 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins

 

[dotr]

I do not know much about bitcoin, but I found this older article that describes the use of bitcoin to pay Japanese hitmen.
Meet The 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins

'Interesting find! From link..

''As for technically proving that an assassin is responsible for a target's death, Assassination Market asks its killers to create a text file with the date of the death ahead of time, and to use a cryptographic function known as a hash to convert it to a unique string of characters. Before the murder, the killer then embeds that data in a donation of one bitcoin or more to the victim's bounty. When a target is successfully murdered, he or she can send Sanjuro the text file, which Sanjuro hashes to check that the results match the data sent before the target's death. If the text file is legitimate and successfully predicted the date of the killing, the sender must have been responsible for the murder, according to Sanjuro's logic. Sanjuro says he'll keep one percent of the payout himself as a commission for his services.''

Just for giggles..
Top 85 Best HitMen/Assassin Movies - IMDb

 

[ldlager]

'Interesting find! From link..

''As for technically proving that an assassin is responsible for a target's death, Assassination Market asks its killers to create a text file with the date of the death ahead of time, and to use a cryptographic function known as a hash to convert it to a unique string of characters. Before the murder, the killer then embeds that data in a donation of one bitcoin or more to the victim's bounty. When a target is successfully murdered, he or she can send Sanjuro the text file, which Sanjuro hashes to check that the results match the data sent before the target's death. If the text file is legitimate and successfully predicted the date of the killing, the sender must have been responsible for the murder, according to Sanjuro's logic. Sanjuro says he'll keep one percent of the payout himself as a commission for his services.''

Just for giggles..
Top 85 Best HitMen/Assassin Movies - IMDb

Crazy stuff

 

[WINDSOR]

True, the deaths of HS & BS significantly reduce the financial pressures on JS. But many of us have financial pressures and do not resort to criminal activity to resolves those issues.


I believe we need to understand what sort of person and what sort of character does JS have?

Do we have any insight into his past behaviors? Was he a good student? Is he a rule follower? Did he have any interactions with the criminal justice system in the past. Does he hold grudges? Is he revengeful? Does he have a violent temper? What do his former classmates, friends and business associates say about him?

Having some understanding of his past behaviors and character may be very revealing.

 

[al66pine]

JS's Husband, FM?

He is involved in JS's family foundation, and so is AP.
Fred And Jon Sherman & Family Foundation in 155 WELLINGTON STREET W...

Yes, per ^ link, FM is a director of the foundation. That could mean a limited time commitment, say, attending annual or quarterly meetings, perhaps some more hrs.
Wondering if FM might be a foundation officer or employee - in which case, it could be full time employment - I did a quick search but did not find report of foundation's officers or even FTE/employee headcount. etc.
Imo, hard to say how much time he devoted to the organization.

And of course, FM could be a SAHF or employed elsewhere. my2cts.

 

[Satchie]

True, the deaths of HS & BS significantly reduce the financial pressures on JS. But many of us have financial pressures and do not resort to criminal activity to resolves those issues.


I believe we need to understand what sort of person and what sort of character does JS have?

Do we have any insight into his past behaviors? Was he a good student? Is he a rule follower? Did he have any interactions with the criminal justice system in the past. Does he hold grudges? Is he revengeful? Does he have a violent temper? What do his former classmates, friends and business associates say about him?

Having some understanding of his past behaviors and character may be very revealing.

Good questions. I would add 'is he a psychopath?', as I think those traits would be seen in an adult, well-functioning person who kills both his parents in cold blood.

 

[Rush4087]

JK's response when asked what he thought the reason could be behind the BS and HS murders: "In most murder cases around the world follow the money".

If LE were doing that.. outside of the children, wouldn't AP have perhaps had the most to gain by BS and HS's deaths?

Eta: removing word salad

 

[casesensitive]

Good questions. I would add 'is he a psychopath?', as I think those traits would be seen in an adult, well-functioning person who kills both his parents in cold blood.

I can't find stats, but I have seen cases many cases over the years (on TV, media etc) where a person kills both parents, and the main motive was for financial gain. Other, though much rarer cases, were motivated by parents forbidding their teenage daughter to continue a relationship with a certain boyfriend, or teenagers who rebelled against too strict parents (note--not abusive parents).

I think every adult kid who resorts to murdering their parents, regardless of the motive, is a psychopath. (again, not including abused kids). Unfortunately, they can appear as normal as you and I. They are typically intelligent and do well in business and politics. I don't think they exhibit a raging temper, as much as they come across as cold. But they can cover their emotions well, and revenge is a powerful motive for them.

Family, friends, school mates who knew these kids, never really thought that they were capable of killing a parent. But the killer's closest friends believed it. JMO

 

[drama_farmer]

Wondering if BS or HS ever invested in bitcoin, would they be likely to lose the password (and money) as so many others apparently have done?
Could others access a bitcoin account if they had the password to it ?speculation, imo.
Lost passwords lock millionaires out of their bitcoin fortunes
Jan. 12, 2021
''The New York Times
Stefan Thomas, a German-born programmer living in San Francisco, has two guesses left to figure out a password that is worth, as of this week, about $220 million.

The password will let him unlock a small hard drive, known as an IronKey, which contains the private keys to a digital wallet that holds 7,002 bitcoins. While the price of bitcoin dropped sharply on Monday, it is still up more than 50% from just a month ago when it passed its previous all-time high of around $20,000.

The problem is that Thomas years ago lost the paper where he wrote down the password for his IronKey, which gives users 10 guesses before it seizes up and encrypts its contents forever. He has since tried eight of his most commonly used password formulations — to no avail.''

''Bitcoin, which has been on an extraordinary and volatile eight-month run, has made a lot of its holders very rich in a short period of time, even as the coronavirus pandemic has ravaged the world economy.

But the cryptocurrency’s unusual nature has also meant that many people are locked out of their bitcoin fortunes as a result of lost or forgotten keys. They have been forced to watch, helpless, as the price has risen and fallen sharply, unable to cash in on their digital wealth.

Of the existing 18.5 million bitcoin, around 20% — currently worth around $140 billion — appear to be in lost or otherwise stranded wallets, according to the cryptocurrency data firm Chainalysis.''

I've never been in a position to invest in crypto currency, but the possibility of forgetting such an important password is terrifying. Imo

 

[MistyWaters]

I can't find stats, but I have seen cases many cases over the years (on TV, media etc) where a person kills both parents, and the main motive was for financial gain. Other, though much rarer cases, were motivated by parents forbidding their teenage daughter to continue a relationship with a certain boyfriend, or teenagers who rebelled against too strict parents (note--not abusive parents).

I think every adult kid who resorts to murdering their parents, regardless of the motive, is a psychopath. (again, not including abused kids). Unfortunately, they can appear as normal as you and I. They are typically intelligent and do well in business and politics. I don't think they exhibit a raging temper, as much as they come across as cold. But they can cover their emotions well, and revenge is a powerful motive for them.

Family, friends, school mates who knew these kids, never really thought that they were capable of killing a parent. But the killer's closest friends believed it. JMO

Interesting to think about. Financial gain may be the motive but adult children murdering their parents for that reason is rare, thank goodness. In those cases, I believe there’s always an additional element of psychopathy present.

Many of us here have adult children and we’re probably much further ahead financially than they are. We may have lent them money and they likely are aware they’d financially benefit from our deaths. But I don’t think any of us lose sleep at night expecting to be murdered by them, we’re safe, we might even hope they’ll look out for our well-being as we age. Granted, we’re not billionaires but still, greed is greed regardless of how many digits are behind the dollar sign. Yet....when we read about a murder in the news it’s very common for minds to initially wander toward the possible guilt of one of the adult children. I wonder why that is?

 

[casesensitive]

Interesting to think about. Financial gain may be the motive but adult children murdering their parents for that reason is rare, thank goodness. In those cases, I believe there’s always an additional element of psychopathy present.

Many of us here have adult children and we’re probably much further ahead financially than they are. We may have lent them money and they likely are aware they’d financially benefit from our deaths. But I don’t think any of us lose sleep at night expecting to be murdered by them, we’re safe. Granted, we’re not billionaires but still, greed is greed regardless of how many digits are behind the dollar sign. Yet....when we read about a murder in the news it’s very common for minds to initially wander toward the possible guilt of one of the adult children. I wonder why that is?

I think we know that LE zeros in on family members first for a good reason, based on stats. That might explain why other minds "wander" toward possible guilt of a family member. That is why that happens. I can't find stats of adults who murder a parent or parents for financial gain, but eliminating abused children, can you find research that finds that financial gain is a rare motive?

 

[ldlager]

Or per

JK's response when asked what he thought the reason could be behind the BS and HS murders: "In most murder cases around the world follow the money".

If LE were doing that.. outside of the children, wouldn't AP have perhaps had the most to gain by BS and HS's deaths?

Eta: removing word salad

Or perhaps FDA if it was stipulated that the advances Barry had made to him didn't have to be repaid in the event of Barry's death. Or MS if she assumed that HS' will had been completed, leaving her hundreds of millions of dollars as she has suggested she was promised.

 

[JDG]

Interesting to think about. Financial gain may be the motive but adult children murdering their parents for that reason is rare, thank goodness. In those cases, I believe there’s always an additional element of psychopathy present.

Many of us here have adult children and we’re probably much further ahead financially than they are. We may have lent them money and they likely are aware they’d financially benefit from our deaths. But I don’t think any of us lose sleep at night expecting to be murdered by them, we’re safe, we might even hope they’ll look out for our well-being as we age. Granted, we’re not billionaires but still, greed is greed regardless of how many digits are behind the dollar sign. Yet....when we read about a murder in the news it’s very common for minds to initially wander toward the possible guilt of one of the adult children. I wonder why that is?

I dont for a second believe that B&HS thought they'd be murdered by their child(ren) either....not saying that's what happened, not proven etc.......even though BS and JS had a long history of butting heads over money. MOO

BS seemed to go to great lengths to be patient and explain it all to JS more than once. Doubt he thought it was going in one ear and out the other. BUT BS did send emails saying that his son was still being nasty or words to that effect.

IMO there was a long simmering anger in someone that came to an abrupt end in Dec. 2017. JMO, IMO, MOO

 

[Rush4087]

I can't help suspecting that AP was included in the meetings with BS, so that JS could prove to AP that they really did have huge financial problems with BS, and that he was not going to give them a lot more money, or forgive repayment for the loans he had already given them. It might have made AP more willing to become involved in desperate measures to solve their financial problems. IMO

I suspect that JS's insistence on AP being present in all of JS's meetings with BS was due to the dysfunctional relationship that had always existed between father and son. I think JS was uncomfortable and intimidated while alone in his father's presence.

I think JS sought his father's approval and validation - but also feared his father's intellect and judgement. I suspect that JS was not recognized as a separate person or as a unique adult individual by BS, beginning in childhood. There are terms in psychology that describe this kind of dysfunctional parent-child relationship.

I suspect that JS felt he'd never been considered good enough by his father in the past, and knew that he'd never be considered good enough by his father in the future. Whether BS intended to do so or not, he made that all but impossible. That's just who he was - and it was never going to change. In that respect (and in that respect only) I sympathize with JS.

Jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

I think we know that LE zeros in on family members first for a good reason, based on stats. That might explain why other minds "wander" toward possible guilt of a family member. That is why that happens. I can't find stats of adults who murder a parent or parents for financial gain, but eliminating abused children, can you find research that finds that financial gain is a rare motive?

Nope, no research. But between 2015 and 2019 Canada had 600+ homicides per year. In those 5 years that’s more than 3000 murders. How many of those homicides were committed by adult children with a motive of financial gain? Given the lack of media reporting, I think it’s safe to say it’s a rare occurrence.

Number, rate and percentage changes in rates of homicide victims

 

[JDG]

Carla and Allan Rutherford, Dundas Ontario, were burned to death by one of her sons from a previous marriage while in their bed sleeping.

The police have stated that the motive was financial.

Bet they weren't expecting that either, they had had his family over for a swim and chat a couple of days earlier.

I dont think its rare enough, JMO. IMO. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Carla and Allan Rutherford, Dundas Ontario, were burned to death by one of her sons from a previous marriage while in their bed sleeping.

The police have stated that the motive was financial.

Bet they weren't expecting that either, they had had his family over for a swim and chat a couple of days earlier.

I dont think its rare enough, JMO. IMO. MOO

Then is it fair to say it’s common? My earlier post was reflecting on parents of adult children in general. I refuse to believe we’re all at risk if it’s as simple as parents are murdered by adult children to benefit financially. I think there’s always psychopathy involved as well. But in this case little or nothing of the longterm family dynamics has been mentioned.

 

[kiwi50]

I suspect that JS's insistence on AP being present in all of JS's meetings with BS was due to the dysfunctional relationship that had always existed between father and son. I think JS was uncomfortable and intimidated while alone in his father's presence.

I think JS sought his father's approval and validation - but also feared his father's intellect and judgement. I suspect that JS was not recognized as a separate person or as a unique adult individual by BS, beginning in childhood. There are terms in psychology that describe this kind of dysfunctional parent-child relationship.

I suspect that JS felt he'd never been considered good enough by his father in the past, and knew that he'd never be considered good enough by his father in the future. Whether BS intended to do so or not, he made that all but impossible. That's just who he was - and it was never going to change. In that respect (and in that respect only) I sympathize with JS.

Jmo

I think JS was bitter towards his father, hence the jibes in his eulogy, I really dont think it was meant to be a light hearted attempt at humour.