I have not had time to listen to the podcastRegarding the CBC podcast. Some of the details are at odds with what the Star has reported and what the police have said.
They said the date and time of the deaths are unknown, but that’s incorrect: the police have said they died on Wednesday, December 13th some time between 9:00 pm - 12:00 am.
I’m confused by the maintenance man they introduce in the first episode. He described working in the home on the morning of Friday, December 15th in the room next to the pool, and how looking through the glass block wall the pool area appeared dark.
The only way he could see that would be from the garage which shared that glass wall with the pool, but why would he be in the garage? He first said he walked downstairs, and in court records it states he walked in after the housekeeper, so that would be the side door. (Highlighted in yellow are the glass block walls. The utility room where the CBC reported he was working is circled in blue):
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Floor plan from: https://media.houssmax.ca/201711/29/5a1f32afd3797.pdf
Toronto Life previously reported that room was Honey’s office at one point, so it doesn’t sound like a mechanical room unless it was converted into one after the date of that article, imo.
The Star previously reported that it was a furnace technician who was there to do routine maintenance on the four furnaces. They are far from the poolroom. I circled that room in red in the diagram above.
“Around the same time, a white van from a furnace company showed up. It was a regular service call by Allan Caruk. The 12,000-square-foot house had four furnaces. Caruk followed the housekeeper and trainer inside. He took his tools and went down to the furnace room in the cavernous basement.
The house was dark inside. No lights were on and it was a gloomy day; snow had fallen overnight. Trainer Young wondered if the Shermans had left early for Florida, though Honey was not scheduled to leave until the Monday. Housekeeper Macatangay went upstairs to see if the Shermans were in bed…
..The trainer left. The furnace repair man came upstairs after an hour and also left. As is often the case in search warrant documents made public, some of his statements are redacted with large black lines. As the man walked to his van he spotted frozen footprints on the partially heated ramp to the underground garage. They looked old, he thought.”
‘Someone has killed my clients’: Newly released documents detail the day Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead, and what police did after
In an exclusive look at the first stage of the high profile double murder case, the Toronto Star has gained access to police statements and interviews after a nearly three-year long court battle.www.thestar.com
In the podcast he also said doors and lights were left open in the basement, but the housekeeper and real estate agent said the house was completely dark except for the glow of the pool lights.
ETA: There is a room you enter just before the actual pool room, but I don’t think he means that room as he said he hadn’t done maintenance on the pool recent to that last day as the pool was unused.
I have not had time to listen to the CBC podcast yet. I am pretty sure the lights down in the basement were off.Regarding the CBC podcast. Some of the details are at odds with what the Star has reported and what the police have said.
They said the date and time of the deaths are unknown, but that’s incorrect: the police have said they died on Wednesday, December 13th some time between 9:00 pm - 12:00 am.
I’m confused by the maintenance man they introduce in the first episode. He described working in the home on the morning of Friday, December 15th in the room next to the pool, and how looking through the glass block wall the pool area appeared dark.
The only way he could see that would be from the garage which shared that glass wall with the pool, but why would he be in the garage? He first said he walked downstairs, and in court records it states he walked in after the housekeeper, so that would be the side door. (Highlighted in yellow are the glass block walls. The utility room where the CBC reported he was working is circled in blue):
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Floor plan from: https://media.houssmax.ca/201711/29/5a1f32afd3797.pdf
Toronto Life previously reported that room was Honey’s office at one point, so it doesn’t sound like a mechanical room unless it was converted into one after the date of that article, imo.
The Star previously reported that it was a furnace technician who was there to do routine maintenance on the four furnaces. They are far from the poolroom. I circled that room in red in the diagram above.
“Around the same time, a white van from a furnace company showed up. It was a regular service call by Allan Caruk. The 12,000-square-foot house had four furnaces. Caruk followed the housekeeper and trainer inside. He took his tools and went down to the furnace room in the cavernous basement.
The house was dark inside. No lights were on and it was a gloomy day; snow had fallen overnight. Trainer Young wondered if the Shermans had left early for Florida, though Honey was not scheduled to leave until the Monday. Housekeeper Macatangay went upstairs to see if the Shermans were in bed…
..The trainer left. The furnace repair man came upstairs after an hour and also left. As is often the case in search warrant documents made public, some of his statements are redacted with large black lines. As the man walked to his van he spotted frozen footprints on the partially heated ramp to the underground garage. They looked old, he thought.”
‘Someone has killed my clients’: Newly released documents detail the day Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead, and what police did after
In an exclusive look at the first stage of the high profile double murder case, the Toronto Star has gained access to police statements and interviews after a nearly three-year long court battle.
In the podcast he also said doors and lights were left open in the basement, but the housekeeper and real estate agent said the house was completely dark except for the glow of the pool lights.
ETA: There is a room you enter just before the actual pool room, but I don’t think he means that room as he said he hadn’t done maintenance on the pool recent to that last day as the pool was unused.
Regarding the CBC podcast. Some of the details are at odds with what the Star has reported and what the police have said.
They said the date and time of the deaths are unknown, but that’s incorrect: the police have said they died on Wednesday, December 13th some time between 9:00 pm - 12:00 am.
I’m confused by the maintenance man they introduce in the first episode. He described working in the home on the morning of Friday, December 15th in the room next to the pool, and how looking through the glass block wall the pool area appeared dark.
The only way he could see that would be from the garage which shared that glass wall with the pool, but why would he be in the garage? He first said he walked downstairs, and in court records it states he walked in after the housekeeper, so that would be the side door. (Highlighted in yellow are the glass block walls. The utility room where the CBC reported he was working is circled in blue):
View attachment 404275
Floor plan from: https://media.houssmax.ca/201711/29/5a1f32afd3797.pdf
Toronto Life previously reported that room was Honey’s office at one point, so it doesn’t sound like a mechanical room unless it was converted into one after the date of that article, imo.
The Star previously reported that it was a furnace technician who was there to do routine maintenance on the four furnaces. They are far from the poolroom. I circled that room in red in the diagram above.
“Around the same time, a white van from a furnace company showed up. It was a regular service call by Allan Caruk. The 12,000-square-foot house had four furnaces. Caruk followed the housekeeper and trainer inside. He took his tools and went down to the furnace room in the cavernous basement.
The house was dark inside. No lights were on and it was a gloomy day; snow had fallen overnight. Trainer Young wondered if the Shermans had left early for Florida, though Honey was not scheduled to leave until the Monday. Housekeeper Macatangay went upstairs to see if the Shermans were in bed…
..The trainer left. The furnace repair man came upstairs after an hour and also left. As is often the case in search warrant documents made public, some of his statements are redacted with large black lines. As the man walked to his van he spotted frozen footprints on the partially heated ramp to the underground garage. They looked old, he thought.”
‘Someone has killed my clients’: Newly released documents detail the day Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead, and what police did after
In an exclusive look at the first stage of the high profile double murder case, the Toronto Star has gained access to police statements and interviews after a nearly three-year long court battle.
In the podcast he also said doors and lights were left open in the basement, but the housekeeper and real estate agent said the house was completely dark except for the glow of the pool lights.
ETA: There is a room you enter just before the actual pool room, but I don’t think he means that room as he said he hadn’t done maintenance on the pool recent to that last day as the pool was unused.
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I had been thinking up until this minute, that the pic posted of the floorplan with the blue circle, was published by CBC to go with their podcast. But I don't see it anywhere.. so is this blue circle one which you drew yourself?Regarding the CBC podcast. Some of the details are at odds with what the Star has reported and what the police have said.
They said the date and time of the deaths are unknown, but that’s incorrect: the police have said they died on Wednesday, December 13th some time between 9:00 pm - 12:00 am.
I’m confused by the maintenance man they introduce in the first episode. He described working in the home on the morning of Friday, December 15th in the room next to the pool, and how looking through the glass block wall the pool area appeared dark.
The only way he could see that would be from the garage which shared that glass wall with the pool, but why would he be in the garage? He first said he walked downstairs, and in court records it states he walked in after the housekeeper, so that would be the side door. (Highlighted in yellow are the glass block walls. The utility room where the CBC reported he was working is circled in blue):
View attachment 404275
Floor plan from: https://media.houssmax.ca/201711/29/5a1f32afd3797.pdf
Toronto Life previously reported that room was Honey’s office at one point, so it doesn’t sound like a mechanical room unless it was converted into one after the date of that article, imo.
The Star previously reported that it was a furnace technician who was there to do routine maintenance on the four furnaces. They are far from the poolroom. I circled that room in red in the diagram above.
“Around the same time, a white van from a furnace company showed up. It was a regular service call by Allan Caruk. The 12,000-square-foot house had four furnaces. Caruk followed the housekeeper and trainer inside. He took his tools and went down to the furnace room in the cavernous basement.
The house was dark inside. No lights were on and it was a gloomy day; snow had fallen overnight. Trainer Young wondered if the Shermans had left early for Florida, though Honey was not scheduled to leave until the Monday. Housekeeper Macatangay went upstairs to see if the Shermans were in bed…
..The trainer left. The furnace repair man came upstairs after an hour and also left. As is often the case in search warrant documents made public, some of his statements are redacted with large black lines. As the man walked to his van he spotted frozen footprints on the partially heated ramp to the underground garage. They looked old, he thought.”
‘Someone has killed my clients’: Newly released documents detail the day Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead, and what police did after
In an exclusive look at the first stage of the high profile double murder case, the Toronto Star has gained access to police statements and interviews after a nearly three-year long court battle.
In the podcast he also said doors and lights were left open in the basement, but the housekeeper and real estate agent said the house was completely dark except for the glow of the pool lights.
ETA: There is a room you enter just before the actual pool room, but I don’t think he means that room as he said he hadn’t done maintenance on the pool recent to that last day as the pool was unused.
Yes, the floor plan is from the link I provided from houssmax. I marked it up.
Sorry, I had been thinking that is where this repairman had actually pointed out to CBC where he'd been working. But that room isn't 'next' to the pool room, it's 'across', and 'kitty'corner', and also separated by a hallway, and the glass blocks in the garage would not have been visible from that room, as they were between the garage and where the pool was located. It's possible he was working in that room, however one can't see anything about the glass block in the garage/pool room from there.
@6:16 the host says “a room right beside the indoor pool’. https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podca...rman/episode/15967367-chapter-one-bitter-pill
I wonder if this repairman may have forgotten how much farther back the pool was (since he stated he hadn't serviced the pool in years?)? But really, he wouldn't have had a reason to even go through that doorway leading to the spiral staircase. I noticed that this spiral staircase also has a glass block wall between it and the garage.
I am not confident either is accurate. In the second version released the belt around HS neck had to be a very large belt, she is almost touching the ground, the belt is around her neck circumference and the hand rail circumference and it had that much length to hang her so low to the ground? that belt must be a extra large belt.
In my opinion, the one body bag on the ME's gurney, demonstrated a portly abdomen. Would BS's abdominal girth be described as needing an XL belt. Could the soft ligatures actually be the exercise tension bands?
It was stated in one of the article as to what sizes those two Canadian Tire belts were (if they were even the belts actually used).. I believe one was 34 and one was 36... which, imho, would not be long enough to make all those loops, etc. It is obvious to me that the drawing is just to show the reader.. whatever.. but it is not accurate. I base this on KD's own article when he wrote about the belts in relation to the body positioning of each victim.
Wow $10,000 (presumably USD) for travel exps from somewhere 'warm', up to Buffalo?Noting one of the more intriguing bits starts approx. @14:38.
Feb 24 2023
The Clintons did it? A bonus episode of ‘The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Barry and Honey Sherman’
“The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” is hosted by Kevin Donovan.www.thestar.com
''In this bonus episode of “The Billionaire Murders,” we take listeners behind the scenes of reporter Kevin Donovan’s investigation into the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman. Titled “The Clintons Did It?” Donovan discusses some of the wild tips and theories he and police have hunted down, and outlines one tip that sounds promising and right out of a spy novel.
“The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” is a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it.''
to my understanding, many factors play a scientific role in this development, but isnt length of death the greater contributor?
I cant believe this article was even written, whattttNoting one of the more intriguing bits starts approx. @14:38.
Feb 24 2023
The Clintons did it? A bonus episode of ‘The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Barry and Honey Sherman’
“The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” is hosted by Kevin Donovan.
''In this bonus episode of “The Billionaire Murders,” we take listeners behind the scenes of reporter Kevin Donovan’s investigation into the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman. Titled “The Clintons Did It?” Donovan discusses some of the wild tips and theories he and police have hunted down, and outlines one tip that sounds promising and right out of a spy novel.
“The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” is a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it.''
