Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

[Grey-St]

Alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur ‘undoubtedly believed he had outsmarted everyone’

Concealing dismembered remains in planter boxes “essentially in plain sight” shows a level of brazenness, criminologist says.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/01/31/serial-killer-believed-he-had-outsmarted-everyone.html

Another great article. Bold and brazen, indeed. I can only assume he got his kicks every time he worked on these properties, or past these planters, and who knows where else they are. He held that power above LE, the families of his victims, and his clients.

 

[dumpater]

snipped...
...That fear proved prescient, as police reported on Monday that Dean Lisowick, a common face in the Gay Village and long-time sex worker, is believed to be the last known victim of alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur.

...According to the charge information filed in court on Monday, Mr. Lisowick may have died anywhere between April, 2016, and March, 2017. At their news conference, police said he may have been alive as late of July, 2017.


:thinking:

But wasn't Kinsman killed in June?

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[Grey-St]

https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1315565

Chief Mark Saunders addresses a question on the McArthur case last night.

 

[matou]

I guess we may need to re-think the timeline if Dean was possibly last seen in July. That would make him the last victim (that we know of).

 

[Grey-St]

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...rs-why-serial-killer-arrest-took-so-long.html

Concerns from the community.

 

[dotr]

Sorry, but do not even want to think about BM walking around with trays of muffins, imo, speculation.
[url]https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmqje5/how-alleged-serial-killer-bruce-mcarthur-compares-to-other-infamous-murderers
[/URL]Manisha KrishnanJan 31 2018

How Alleged Serial Killer Bruce McArthur Compares to Other Infamous Murderers


Experts weighed in on what burial patterns and alleged sexual relationships tell us about McArthur.

Sasha Reid, a PhD candidate in developmental psychology at the University of Toronto and specialist on serial homicide, told VICE one aspect of McArthur’s case that stands out is his 2003 assault conviction for beating a man with a metal pipe.

“In my research, almost 80 percent of serial killers I’ve studied had a prior conviction for assault or sexual violence,” she said. Pickton was charged with attempted murder in 1998 after he stabbed and nearly killed a female sex worker who escaped his farm.

“Nobody wakes up one day and is a serial killer,” added Jooyoung Lee, an associate professor of sociology at the U of T who also researches serial killers. There’s a gradual process, he said, “where initially people engage in fantasy behaviours, where they begin to think about harming others and they begin to experiment and flirt with the idea that they might actually do it.”

Over time, he said, the impulse becomes so strong, the killer will act on it.

Reid noted how McArthur allegedly buried bodies in planters at properties he worked on around the city. She said that’s a behaviour serial killers are drawn to, for a variety of reasons.

“There’s a spiritual connection between them and the body,” she explained. “They might consume the body, they might take sexual pleasure out of consuming the body, eating it.”

Reid said another reason for keeping bodies close by is for protection against getting caught—keeping a body in your home allows you to control who would potentially have access to it

As for the question everyone is wondering—why these killers commit such horrendous acts—Reid said generally speaking, these are people who are hyperreactive to stress, or fear, or insult.

“When they encounter that, they overreact with fatal violence,” she said. “This is why some victims of serial killers are able to escape… they played the game right for that person at that time.”

 

[Jealoushe]

Ah yes, the famous Eric Clinton Kirk Newman... another sicko with a capital S! Luke Rocco Magnotta.
I don't think they ever proved if that film was total real??
Gee, maybe he and MrMcArthur could share a cell??

It was real, I saw it. Not something you want to see twice.

I wonder how TPS knew that the young man went into MrMcArthur's apt??
Was it a sting? or maybe apt had been doctored with "devices" prior??

There were watching him under surveillance.

I'm not so sure it's closed.

JMO

It is closed, no police activity at the Madoc property whatsoever.

The people in the video don’t seem to have been the ones to have called the police. They both stated the police asked if they knew why they were there and they said yes. So if they knew BMhad done landscaping for them, why the hell didn’t they call the police?

why wait for the police to just show up? If you’ve had work done just call them!! Are they afraid of being inconvenienced or kicked out of their houses while
police search?

I'm thinking the police had a list before it was made public about the bodies.

There was a man on FB who worked with BM - he sub contracted him out to do gardens on water displays he was putting in. He said he always had a young worker with him, one of them resembled one of the victims. Wondering if he offered them work, to gain trust sometimes.

Really want to know what the sex was that made these guys feel uncomfortable.

 

[SEW]

On one news station last night it said it was torsos that were found in the flower pots, those flower pots were huge so it's defiantly poosiable , I'm thinking it was the arms and legs that he was throwing down the chutes .

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bruce-mcarthur-forensic-investigators-search-1.4510889
Mark Gollom

Updated

[h=1]Investigators begin piecing together 'puzzle' in Toronto serial killer case[/h][h=2]Forensic anthropologist compares hunt for evidence to 'archeological dig'[/h]

Forensic identification officers from the Toronto police along with forensic anthropologists are searching properties across the Greater Toronto Area, looking for evidence.

That evidence would include body parts and decomposed remains that would be sent to and analyzed at the Ontario Forensic Pathology Service.

Items would also be examined for the potential of DNA evidence while bloodstains could be potentially swabbed for identifying DNA profiles at the Centre of Forensic Sciences.

Meanwhile, investigators will look for fingerprints and a bloodstain pattern analyst can examine any possible bloodstain patterns to determine what, if any, weapons or tools were used, the minimum number of blows against a victim, distance from blood source, number of persons involved and sequence of events.

Among the things police will be looking for are possible burial locations, which might be evident from layers of soil that have been moved or look out of place, said Scott Fairgrieve, a Laurentian University professor in the department of forensic science. Investigators could also use ground-penetrating radar.

As with any excavation, or any work on a crime scene, gathering evidence is inherently a "destructive process," he said. Investigators will have to be cautious not to disturb or damage any evidence.

"So you have to do it in a systematic fashion," he said. "It's going to be a lot of hand work."

That means using trowels to dig and collect remains. If they find bones, they will likely shift to wooden instruments such as tongue depressors to avoid scratching.

"It is like an archeological dig," said Mary Anne Katzenberg, a forensic anthropologist at the University of Calgary. First, investigators can use heavy equipment to reach certain depths in the soil before switching to precise tools. "But once you get down to a level where you think you're going to find things, sometimes you're using dental instruments and little picks and paintbrushes."

 

[BUF]

I may have missed something, can someone please answer this...I know that BM was under surveillance, but 'how did LE know to look in the flowerpots' that human remain were discovered?

 

[Grey-St]

My thoughts on excavating: wouldn't the homeowners be aware of their lawn was dug up by BM? I only see excavating worthwhile if this is the case, or they had some sort of extensive lawn work done while being clients of DM. From what I've read on the couple, it doesn't sound like the case at the Leaside property.

Also, I can't recall if this has been discussed previously, but did BM have or frequent a cottage?

 

[Jealoushe]

I may have missed something, can someone please answer this...I know that BM was under surveillance, but 'how did LE know to look in the flowerpots' that human remain were discovered?

Cadaver dogs pointed to the planters....and also the area they want to dig up. They said they had some issues with the dogs because the ground is frozen.

My thoughts on excavating: wouldn't the homeowners be aware of their lawn was dug up by BM? I only see excavating worthwhile if this is the case, or they had some sort of extensive lawn work done while being clients of DM. From what I've read on the couple, it doesn't sound like the case at the Leaside property.

Also, I can't recall if this has been discussed previously, but did BM have or frequent a cottage?

It is possible the lawn work was from years and years ago. Possible laying sod, pools etc. It was also noted he worked with someone who put in ornamental ponds, so perhaps under those ponds?

 

[Grey-St]

I may have missed something, can someone please answer this...I know that BM was under surveillance, but 'how did LE know to look in the flowerpots' that human remain were discovered?

After he was arrested, they secured a few properties he was known to frequent. They brought in forensic teams for their evidence collecting process, as in any investigation. During that process, they found what they found, also with the assistance of cadaver dogs.

 

[Grey-St]

It is possible the lawn work was from years and years ago. Possible laying sod, pools etc. It was also noted he worked with someone who put in ornamental ponds, so perhaps under those ponds?

Of course, but it would have to be work done by BM, or folks BM had contracted in. Doesn't sound like any of that was the case for the Leaside property from what the homeowners have said. We shall see!

 

[Jealoushe]

Of course, but it would have to be work done by BM, or folks BM had contracted in. Doesn't sound like any of that was the case for the Leaside property from what the homeowners have said. We shall see!

Yes could be any location!

 

[Jasper52]

Huge massive THANKS to Sillybilly for creating the new forum.

Im collecting media links from this and the other threads, probably won’t have time to complete and post that today.

Also collating various addresses, and “last seen” locations. Do we have any mappers following who could help with that? I can’t create maps.

Do you have a link for the new forum? TIA.

 

[AddyFinch]

It was real, I saw it.

then it could be possible he was making videos... Eeeww...
I read somewhere that a missing man had a friend he did work for. This man had a cottage,that the missing man would use at times. Could BM have attended??
Also read one hook left BM’s van feeling very uncomfortable after something BM did. I think it referred to him twisting or jerking his neck?
I would think TPS had planted devices into BM apt to be able to know that a random man went into BM’s apt on the 19th floor?

 

[Grey-St]

then it could be possible he was making videos... Eeeww...
I read somewhere that a missing man had a friend he did work for. This man had a cottage,that the missing man would use at times. Could BM have attended??
Also read one hook left BM’s van feeling very uncomfortable after something BM did. I think it referred to him twisting or jerking his neck?
I would think TPS had planted devices into BM apt to be able to know that a random man went into BM’s apt on the 19th floor?

Does "hook" mean sex worker to you? Because it was never established that the individual was a sex worker.

And TPS knew a man was entering the apartment building with BM because they had him under surveillance.

 

[Jealoushe]

Does "hook" mean sex worker to you? Because it was never established that the individual was a sex worker.

And TPS knew a man was entering the apartment building with BM because they had him under surveillance.

It was reported that he was a known sex worker to TPS.

 

[Grey-St]

It was reported that he was a known sex worker to TPS.

The man who entered the van and had the scary experience? I must have missed that.