CANADA Canada - Christine Jessop, 9, Queensville, Ont, 3 Oct 1984 - #1

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Chuckles - I know what you mean. I've called LE a couple of times and they haven't bothered to show up.

It's true RR says 'nothing much was done' regarding the trailer break-in. Started reading further into the book and came across this on page 431 - unrelated but previously asked.

It's during the second trial and ex-cop David Robertson is on the stand. It was Robertson who brought a search dog the night Christine went missing (he was not a cop then either).

'Robertson testified that his dog, Ryder, had captured Christine's scent from a blue, hand-knitted sweater he obtained from her bedroom that night.'
 
Cannot find anything saying explicitly that officers were at the trailer in early December 1984, so must back away from that.
 
Details of the crime scene according to the “Kaufman Report” (CHAPTER V):

“Her body was on its back and decomposed. Her legs were spread apart in an unnatural position and her knees were spread outward. Animals appeared to have eaten at the legs. Her head was pointed north and her feet south. A sweater was pulled over her head. A few bones were scattered between her head and what remained of her legs, giving the appearance that her head and waist were not connected. The victim was wearing a beige turtleneck sweater, a blue pullover sweater, a blouse on which some buttons were missing and two pairs of socks. Her panties were found at her right foot. Blue corduroy pants with a belt and a pair of Nike running shoes were found just south of her feet. These clothes were subsequently identified as belonging to Christine. Her school recorder, with her name still taped on it, was found next to her body. The hand-knitted blue sweater with the zippered front and no collar, which she was last reported wearing, was not found on the body; nor was it ever located.”

I suppose a little girl can have more than one hand-knitted blue sweater, but isn't it ridiculous how the facts in this case keep one running around in circles...? Why do I feel like Makin and Kaufman are somewhere laughing together over a beer? Bizarre.
 
In regards to the Land Registry document you posted... It's interesting, but I don't know what it means. I think it's useful information to have. Your theory (historical connection to killer?) could be correct... Maybe.
 
Okay - one point of land registry docs is to protect a buyer. The buyer has to know they are buying a property from someone in a legal position to sell it.

Another point is to record that money is owed on a property and the record dictates who gets their money first in a sale.

The only time a financial institution sells property is to recoup money they have loaned for the purchase of a property and payments are not being made. In order to recoup their money the financial institution has to become the owner.

My question is, who did this financial institution take possession from? Who had they loaned money to for a purchase? Or did they? It's not recorded, so it's impossible to tell. That never happens.

You can't sell a property unless you own it.
 
Regarding the property, could it be a process arising from a death of the owners? A procedure of the day so to speak where power of attorney was granted by the owners while alive, to dispose of the property via the designated authorized financial institution? A trust arrangement? When did the original subdivision from the neighboring properties take place?

But, I am still not quite understanding the particular relevance to pre 1930's. The owners afterwards would seem of more relevance unless I'm missing something?
 
Any new disposition of the property would be recorded - the legal owner has to be recorded before a sale can be valid.

If you look to the left of the page, second column, you will see the word grant. A grant is a sale - granting the deed to a new owner.

What you are looking at is, the only persons able to sell the property in 1930 is James Innes and wife and George Williamson - a purchase recorded in 1919. There is no record that they had a mortgage on the property.

What seems even more odd to me is, Victoria Trust sold the property twice in six years without being listed as the legal owner. Other properties, in that area, at that time had court orders recorded listing a financial institution or person as the legal owner due to non payment of a mortgage. The concept has been there since day one, and is still used today.

As for relevance - I don't know either, unless I see a name of who else may have owned that property in the six year period of 1930 to 1936. Or who was responsible for paying the property taxes - it will be the same name.

It just seems odd to find this on the property where Christine was found. Maybe it's nothing.
 
Dedpanman's quote of the KR Chapter V - her legs were spread apart in an unnatural position and her knees were spread outward.

Where would one stand or kneel when carving out a piece of another persons breastbone?
 
Interesting question - and to rephrase your question:

Where would one stand or kneel when carving out a piece of a child's breastbone who is much shorter than you?

Certainly not standing.

One would have to be on his knees and the child on the ground on its back. I would think kneeling between the legs with one hand braced on the ground beside the body for leverage in order to achieve maximum force to cut the breastbone in half. A position from the side might be possible but a little more awkward as one would have to hold the knife with the side of the blade facing you in order for the blade to still cut the bone in half down the middle. Bracing is a little trickier also. Get on the floor and try it.

What are you thinking?
 
What I'm thinking is, everyone describes the position as unnatural (which of course it is) and was a result of a violent sexual assault. She was very much violently assaulted.

I'm just putting a twist on why her legs were found like that. The straining required to cut the bone vertically combined with the decomp process. Nothing is what it seems.

She wasn't necessarily on the ground if she was cut like this somewhere else. A table? No one knows if only one person was present. Evidence from her body was unable to say anything definitively. Evidence from the surrounding area seems to say even less.

I'm big on just because LE said something happened one way and only way, doesn't make it so.
 
I agree with you regarding LE scenarios. I'm currently reviewing what John Ferris had to say about the second autopsy results and will present them here soon. For readers: John Ferris was head of autopsies at Vancouver General Hospital and was retained by GPM's defense attorneys.
 
You guys have done a lot and your research is of the caliber that can blow this open again. I have spent the day getting up to speed and I have become "hooked" on the case. Please consider these questions/comments for whatever they are worth.

1) Douglas, in his book JOURNEY INTO DARKNESS claims that Christine's Brother and some of his friends had been abusing her "for years". (He even sort of suggests that the semen stain on her panties could be unrelated to this crime). Is there anything to this claim? Tweedy claims that 325 men include men close to the family had their DNA cross checked. Hopefully this would include everyone suspected of having a history of molesting Christine.

2) The possibility that Christine's body was frozen and dumped in Sunderland later is intriguing but it presumes not only a lot of criminal sophistication and planning but also a freezer that no one else would have access to. There is also the possibility that the body was dumped elsewhere and later transported to Sunderland. This would involve transporting a putrid body that would not only smelly bad but it could atrtract attention (and the smell would last a long time). I don't think anyone would do it.

3) I would expect it to be extremely difficult to ascertain the rate of decomposition of a body during the autumn when temperatures would be fluctuating above and below freezing. Shady damp places would stay very cold. I think it is very possible that she was at that spot since Oct 3rd. It does raise the question of why she wasn't found earlier. It occurs to me that the Perp could have hidden her body far better into the wooded area and returned in December to move here body a short distance to where it would be more likely to be found.

4) There are three reasons I can think of why someone would drive 40 KM to dump a body: 1) It was a "perfect" dump site, 2) The spot had some special "meaning" 3) The Perp did not have a plan and was driving in a direction that would lead him somewhere. At some point, it would occur to him that he had to get rid of the body, and he would then find the first spot that satisfied minimum requirement. I can't see anything about the dump site to justify that long a drive so I would exclude #1. Are there any men in the Queensville area with ties to the land near the dump site? This is where the title search comes in. The Perp would likely have been born after 1950. The area seems pretty isolated with few residences. I doubt that many men of that age would have had any ties to that area at all and fewer still would also have ties to the Queensville area. If #3 is it, then the dump site isn't much of a "Clue" at all.

5) I haven't found a clear explanation of the "damage" to the bike and its location. What was the damage and what is the most likely explanation for it being there? Is it possible that the damage had occurred a day or so earlier? Would it have prevented her from riding it? Was it in the location where she would have left it the last time she rode it?

6)Dedpan, you are skeptical that she ever made it to the store but most accounts seem quite sure she did. How "certain" was the shopkeeper that she did in fact come in? I think that is a very critical point.

My own WAG (wild *advertiser censored* guess) is that either she knew the Perp and freely entered his car (probably near her house) OR she was snatched of the street by a stranger (probably on the way to the store or the park). This guy was probably young and impulsive but very likely never killed again and may have managed to avoid any arrest for a sex crime.
 
Hey kemo. Would like to give your questions a go and hopefully Dedpanman will as well.

1) Christine's brother did come forward with the revelation of past sexual abuse of Christine by himself and two other boys. Tweedy obtained DNA samples from volunteers only and he says so. His list of volunteers is tightly locked away as well as which of those samples were actually tested. There is no indication anyone was pursued via court order after Canadian laws changed in 2000. Tweedy's 9 member task force disbanded in 1998.

No profile could have been compared to the profile created in 1995 after mid-1997.

2,3) No one, including Tweedy, knows when Christine was taken to Sunderland or why she was not discovered sooner. All possibilities seem to be open, but don't see someone moving her body on the same site. I think the killer waited until use of the site was over until the spring.

4) There are historical family ties between Queensville and Sunderland. Could someone have felt cheated out of that Sunderland lot in that they could have been farming it instead of living and farming with parents?

Driving 40 kms to dump a body - do you think Christine was deceased prior to arriving in Sunderland?

5,6) Christine's mother and brother claim to notice damage to the bike only on the day she disappeared. It was minimal damage to the carrier and kickstand, or carrier and pedal depending on what you read. No one ever ascertained exactly when it occurred. It was found in the shed attached to the home where she always kept it, tipped over which apparently was not how Christine treated her prized possession.

The bike being found at the home indicates either she never left home on it or there was time for her to go to the store and back. If she went to the store, she did not meet her friend which is something they did everyday - on their bikes with their cabbage patch dolls. Did she walk 700 metres to the store, go in the store and was kidnapped when she came out - all unseen? Her friend and others were there, as well as people driving home from work/school. Whatever happened, it was between roughly 3:50 and 4:10 pm, give or take either side.
 
Thank-you kemo - your question 3) sparked a thought that I had not focused on before - moving her body on the lot in Sunderland.

While I don't think that happened, it did occur to me that if making her more visible on the site was a goal, why not just put the recorder where it was easy to spot.

Then realized the recorder had a piece of masking tape still adhered to the pouch on 31 December 1984, with Christine's name on the tape.

Masking tape would have held up under those conditions over 3 months? It would have stayed adhered to the pouch?

RR page 57 - 'The first item they found was the recorder in its tan pouch with a green drawstring, located barely off the tractor path. A piece of masking tape was stuck to the recorder. "Christine Jessop" was printed on it in determined lettering.'

A drawstring - so the pouch was made of some sort of material? Seems to me masking tape would fall away from material in rain and somewhat cold temperatures.

Duct tape may have stayed attached, but masking tape?
 
Great thought, Woodland. You responded to the same thing in that post that I did.

In regards to the masking tape, I can say that that stuff (at least the current, modern masking tape) can withstand unbelievable weathering. I have a piece of masking tape adhered to the handle of a gate outside and it's been there for almost a year and looks like it was placed there last week. Wind, rain, snow... Tough stuff.

Now, the masking tape of 1984 is another matter...
 
Facts and excerpts from “Redrum: The Innocent” and “The Kaufman Report” that suggest or corroborate the idea that the body of Christine Jessop may have been dumped in the Sunderland field at a later date – perhaps November or maybe even December of 1984:

KAUFMAN REPORT

Pg 680
As the Pattersons walked along the tractor path they spotted what initially appeared to them to be garbage approximately 25 feet from the west edge of the tractor path. The trailer, which had been put there by the owners of the property, was approximately 60 to 70 feet from the site of this ‘garbage.’

Pg 680
Mr. Patterson and his daughters then walked along a trail in the grass towards the site of the ‘garbage.’ The grass adjacent to the beaten down pathway was approximately 1½ feet tall. As they came closer to the site, Mr. Patterson realized that they had come upon the remains of a child. Although he had walked along this property a number of times between October 3, 1984 and December 31, 1984, this was the first time he had noticed the remains.

RED RUM: THE INNOCENT

Pg 54
“It’s funny—that’s what I said to my wife—I can’t really understand why I never seen it before,” Patterson marvelled later. “Because I must have drove, I figure, between four and five times past that body. And it must have been there at that particular time, but I never seen it. My neighbour drove up there, too—and he never seen nothing.”

Implication: Fred Patterson did not discover the body earlier because it wasn’t there.

Pg 58
“As he shuffled around, Fitz(patrick) pondered how remarkable it was that nobody had found Christine earlier. This was hardly a cunningly concealed body.

Implication: no one found it sooner, because it wasn’t there.

Pg 60
“Three months of heartache and brain fatigue were ending in a board full of bones, frozen maggots and a head wrapped up in a ball of clothing.”

Implication of frozen maggots in December: Even if it was a mild early-winter (and it was), it’s hard to imagine that blowflies were still active at the end of November or into December for maggots to present. Almost all insect activity in Ontario has gone dormant by the end of October – and certainly by November. Maggots, once they’re dead, disintegrate quite fast on their own, or they’re consumed by other insects and birds. So the fact (if it’s accurate – it might not be – see John Ferris’s appraisal later in this post) that frozen maggots, or maggots of any kind (live/dead) were found on the body could be highly significant and point to a later arrival of the body at the Sunderland field.

Pg67-68
“What was difficult to understand was why the Culls didn’t discover Christine’s body just a few metres from their trailer in early October. Later that month, James Cull had smelled a foul odour he took to be caused by goats nearby, but he never found a source for it. On November 1, Mrs Cull had died suddenly from a heart attack. Her husband stayed away from the trailer during the immediate mourning period, finally forcing himself up there in early December in order to gauge whether he wanted to keep the land or not. When he was still a few paces away, Cull noticed the broken glass in the trailer door. He unlocked it and walked over the shards feeling flat and depressed. Just about anything worth stealing was gone—his Skil saw, a naphtha heater, a propane tanks and a Coleman lantern. Several small hand tools had also vanished.”

Implication: the Culls had been to their trailer in early October and did not see a body even though James claimed later that he smelled something foul. (Remember, the body was found only a few meters from the trailer). James Cull returned again to the trailer in early December and found his trailer broken into. One would assume that he walked around the trailer, investigating – looking to see if his items were indeed stolen, or if they had been pitched into the trees. He would have looked for tracks, perhaps other signs of trespassing and vandalism—but no body was discovered (and again, the remains were eventually found not too far from the trailer – see body dump site diagram in earlier post with relevant information.)

Pg116
“Despite the rather remote location of the body site, there had been no serious attempt to hide Christine’s body. No grass or leaves had been piled on it and the spot was easy to see from the tractor path

Implication: It was easy to spot from the tractor path – and it was spotted from the path by the Fred Patterson and his daughters (once it was there).

Pgs 403-405
John Ferris, the head of autopsy services at Vancouver General Hospital and a veteran of 650 autopsies in cases of suspected homicide, was retained by the defence (of GPM) to analyse the results of the exhumation.

None of the Morin prosecutors had ever seriously envisioned the killer returning to the site. Now, Ferris was suggesting that the killer had mutilated the body well after the murder—either before or after taking it to the body site. Then, the killer had arranged its legs in the wishbone position as part of some demented fantasy. Ferris’s first reason for thinking this was that such a massive chest injury would have necessarily caused tremendous leakage of blood into the surrounding soil during the assault. Yet there had been none. Products of decomposition also would have been expected to remain in the soil undisturbed by rainfall, since fatty tissues are not water soluble.

Second, photographs of the remains revealed no signs of dead insects or their larval shell, as one would expect at a decomposition scene. “It is not a question of a few,” Ferris said. “There should be hundreds.”

Third, no one passing near the body had ever been attracted by the extremely strong odours which invariably accompany decomposition—odours that are easily detectable up to thirty to forty metres away.

Fourth, there was an absence of leaves or other debris deposited on the body. This made no sense if Christine’s remains had truly lain there for three months.

Fifth, there was no evidence that the remains had been ravaged by small animals such as raccoons, squirrels and mice. Nor were the bones scattered about the site as would be expected if they had been there for quite some time.

Sixth, there were decomposition fluid stains visible over much of Christine’s bunched clothing. Given that her body had been found naked, the stains suggested that Christine must have been clothed for a substantial period immediately following her death.

Seventh, there was an absence of internal organs. This might be from decomposition or animal activity, but it also could suggest the killer might have removed them prior to the body being dumped at the site.

Finally, the remains of skin did not show the signs of wrinkling one would normally expect in a corpse which had been exposed to the substantial rain which fell that autumn. Human remains left in the elements tend to grow leathery and mummified, Ferris said. These were not. Even more significantly, within forty-eight hours of being found, the skin had shrivelled up and dried out. It all pointed toward the body having been protected for a time and dumped at the site within two weeks of being discovered. So far as Ferris was concerned, it had almost certainly not been at the body site for three months. “It could have been covered by clothes or plastic,” he suggested. “Or it could have been buried. But it must have been protected from animals and surface insects.”

“I believe they were probably at that location for little more than a few days; maybe two weeks,” Ferris said. “Certainly not for three months. It was somewhere else.”

Ferris offered another shocking observation. He said there was no reasonable explanation for why the pile of bones found by the Jessops—a finger bone, two ribs and a splintered vertebra—had been in such close proximity to one another. “Bones not anatomically related have gotten together in a little pile,” he mused. “The only animal that could do that has hands. It is almost as if someone had searched the area for bones and put them in a little pile.”

(Note concerning the bones that Ferris is referring to: Well after the police had “thoroughly” searched the body dump site after the removal of Christine’s remains on the night of December 31, 1984, the Jessop family returned to the spot in the spring of 1985 and Christine’s brother, Ken, found a small collection of bones that the police had missed. The family collected the bones in a coffee cup and took them to a Sunderland police station and they were later confirmed to belong to the remains of Christine Jessop.)

Pinkofsky (GPM’s defence attorney) was convinced that the disappearance of Christine’s blue sweater was proof positive that she was kept by her abductor and reclothed prior to her death. In addition, the running shoes found with the body were size three, while her family said her shoe size had been one and a half. Pinkofsky embraced the theory even more tightly upon learning that white panties were found beside Christine’s body. Janet Jessop had always maintained that Christine was wearing pink, frilly ones on the day she disappeared.


Final thoughts:

Again, here we see a nearly complete contradiction of “the facts” presented elsewhere. This is indicative of the entire case. Everywhere you look, nearly every “fact” in this case can be paired up with a contradictory “fact”. They nullify each other like basic algebra. Positive one, plus negative one equals zero.

What does it mean? Like this whole case, you can see what you want to see. The “facts” can be assembled to support a great number of theories. Unfortunately, this has allowed Christine’s killer to walk between the raindrops and escape. This is also a reminder for anyone investigating this case to keep an open mind and don’t get too cemented into one particular theory or scenario.

I wonder if the clue or clues needed to catch the killer, or at least put us onto his path is not here somewhere, dispersed and muddled up with everything else. Could it be a matter of finding the correct clues and stringing them together in the right way? Or, are there so many “false cards” in the deck that this is now, thirty years later, completely impossible?

In regards to when Christine’s body was placed in that Sunderland field, I can’t help imagining an interesting experiment. In order to consider this experiment thoughtfully and critically, one must first divorce himself/herself of all emotion and think strictly like a scientist.

Imagine now, this experiment with me:

Select three, dead, young pigs of the same size and mass from a farmer. Their mass would correspond to that of a 9-year-old child. Why pigs? Because in biological terms, a pig closely resembles a human being in terms of organ size, organ arrangement, and pigs don’t have fur, they have skin – like us.

Now imagine each of the dead pigs stabbed and cut with a sharp knife, front and back—in a way that resembles the injuries of the victim. Each pig’s injuries must be identical in terms of location on the body and depth of blade penetration.

Place one of the pigs in a grassy area near small trees at the borderland of a farmer’s field in the same micro-climate of Sunderland in early October. It doesn’t have to be Sunderland, just the same micro-climate.

Refrigerate the other two pigs and place each of them in a corresponding environment in early November, and then, the last pig in early December.

Leave them and let nature do its thing.

Then on December 31, check and compare the degree of decomposition, insect activity, and animal scavenging, etc., on the remains of the pigs. Of course, it goes without saying that certain variables could not be controlled (the presence of animal scavengers, the weather), however, the experiment might provide us with a base-line of data for comparative purposes. I know that such data already exists concerning human decomposition (see the work of William M. Bass at the University of Tennessee Anthropological Research Facility, etc.) but instead of relying on “expert” opinions and old data, I would conduct this new, unbiased experiment.

Which pig would most closely resemble the remains as they were found in late December? Would the remains be in a “dry” state? (See my earlier post on the various states of human decomposition.)

Could an experiment like this help us answer the question: when, most likely, were the remains of Christine Jessop placed in that Sunderland field? And, I wonder, was an experiment like this ever carried out by law enforcement or forensic personnel?

I wonder.
 
Brilliant Dedpanman, absolutely brilliant. Pulling all that info from the various sources onto one page lays it out for all to see.

Footnote for the page? Neale Tweedy's chosen outline of what happened - 2.2 million bucks later. He knows what really happened, imo.
 
How does one get a new pig experiment going? I'm in if you have a plan.
 
Dedpan and Wood,
You know your stuff and I am pretty convinced Christine was "moved" shortly before she was found. This would mean that she would have been in an advanced state of decay at the time of the move. (Otherwise she would have had to have been the quite a while for decay to have advanced that far).

Have you ever smelled a decaying body? I had a small mouse (for my kid's pet snake) escape in my car and die somewhere under the dash. It smelled to high heaven for at least 3 months. That was a very small mouse.

Putting a decaying 40 LBS child in a car or a trunk would be out of the question. Putting her in the back of a Pick UP would be possible but it would be noticeable to people along the highway, while stopped in traffic, or by any cop who might pull the driver over on a violation. I think it is unlikely, bordering on impossible that the perp transported the body by vehicle in this condition. Particularly when it would contribute nothing to the Perp's primary concern: avoiding anything that would link the crime to him.

Perps do deliberately arrange for bodies to be found. (I can think of two situations where letters were sent to Law Enforcement describing body location).The only reason I can think of is to "re-ignite media attention". Obviously, a Perp would be better off if the body is never found. I suspect that the Perp would be confident that this dump site would not be linked to him.

A second "pig" experiment might be interesting but one could never replicate the exact condition of that spot in 1984. There are so many variables: mini climates, temperature fluctuations during each day, wind, humidity, amount of sunlight (considering falling leaves) etc.

If there really were no leaves on the body, that would be pretty solid proof that the body was placed there after the leaves of the particular trees she was under, had fallen. That little "fact", like a lot of the information out there on this case, is not necessarily ascertainable.

I stand by my speculation that the body was moved from a very nearby location so that it would be found. I think that stands up to the Occam's razor test pretty well.

Any case with the Perp's DNA is solvable. Once it was know that her bother and some friends had molested Christina, those boys should jump to the top of the suspect list. If any of them wouldn't give a sample, they should have been followed to the gates of hell, to snag a cigarette butt or a Styrofoam coffee cup.
 
I agree the test would not be all that necessary or telling. One has to accept the coroners description of the final state of the body anyway for test comparison so may as well accept his conclusion what that meant. If the body started to change skin texture and decomp rates within 48 hours of discovery, that tells you something pretty important. The body farm has used pig carcasses for years and has a very extensive database covering a wide variety of conditions.

I feel it is an acceptable point as is and likely too hard to replicate the exact results found without extensive time consuming trials. It would just delay your progress. The psychological arguments as per how and when would likely prove as valuable and you would be left explaining that anyway should the tests suggest the body was indeed moved.
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