GUILTY Canada - Kienan Hebert, 3, Sparwood BC, 7 Sept 2011 - #2

[flipflop]

I would actually feel sorry for the guy if this was a first time offense and returned the boy unharmed. I would say let him get the treatment he needs for whatever mental disorder or illness he has, keep him locked up and monitored upon his release BUT........this was not his first offense, court document records stated he would reoffend and he did. He was on probation and committed a crime.

No free pass from me. Lock him up and throw away the key. Canadians have no use for him. Our children need to be protected. We don't want the Hopleys of the world walking our streets.

I feel a bit sorry for him as well. I just watched his friend on the news state that he was "not all there" and he needs help. Reminds me of a murder back in the 80's in my small town. A guy similar to RH, who also "was not all there" molested and murdered an 8 yr old girl. He too said he needed to tell his story. It didn't go to trial, he told his story, he was sentenced to 25 yrs in prison.

It is our law system and our mental health support system that fails these individuals with mental health issues. Society and the law both knew of RH and what he was capable of and yet we release him to the streets to allow him to do this again and again and again. OUR SYSTEMS ARE NOT WORKING CANADA!!!!! If we had stiffer laws and a much needed mental health support system we at websleuth would not have much to talk about. This is all JMO.

 

[~n/t~]

I feel a bit sorry for him as well. I just watched his friend on the news state that he was "not all there" and he needs help. Reminds me of a murder back in the 80's in my small town. A guy similar to RH, who also "was not all there" molested and murdered an 8 yr old girl. He too said he needed to tell his story. It didn't go to trial, he told his story, he was sentenced to 25 yrs in prison.

It is our law system and our mental health support system that fails these individuals with mental health issues. Society and the law both knew of RH and what he was capable of and yet we release him to the streets to allow him to do this again and again and again. OUR SYSTEMS ARE NOT WORKING CANADA!!!!! If we had stiffer laws and a much needed mental health support system we at websleuth would not have much to talk about. This is all JMO.

I think you misread my post. I don't feel sorry for him . I would've if this was his first offense but it is not so I have no pity. He knows right from wrong. Too bad so sad. He should have fear. The same fear his victims felt.

 

[Kittymama]

Regarding that last article posted, did you all see that woman who was protesting who said that she thought he should be executed without trial? Sheesh. IMO, she's a moron. :tsktsk:

 

[flipflop]

I think you misread my post. I don't feel sorry for him . I would've if this was his first offense but it is not so I have no pity. He knows right from wrong. Too bad so sad. He should have fear. The same fear his victims felt.

Yes I did, I just re-read it. I do however, feel for people who have mental health issues as the help is NOT there for them. We all still have many unanswered questions, I hope his story will answer them. How do we know if he knows right from wrong???

 

[~n/t~]

Yes I did, I just re-read it. I do however, feel for people who have mental health issues as the help is NOT there for them. We all still have many unanswered questions, I hope his story will answer them. How do we know if he knows right from wrong???

If we believe LE, they said the pleas from them and the family may have been the reason Kienan was brought back home safely so that leads me to believe he knew it was wrong to take the child in the first place and hide him for 4 days.

Furthermore, he knew he was on probation but yet commits another crime. He boasts about his ability to know LE's ins and outs.

 

[flipflop]

If we believe LE, they said the pleas from them and the family may have been the reason Kienan was brought back home safely so that leads me to believe he knew it was wrong to take the child in the first place and hide him for 4 days.

Furthermore, he knew he was on probation but yet commits another crime. He boasts about his ability to know LE's ins and outs.

I agree 100% that it was the plea that made him return the child. Many with mental health issues are easily persuaded to do many things whether it is the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do. In this case it was a positive thing.
From my years of working in the education field, I have worked with many children with mental health issues. Many of them can tell you things that are right and many things that are wrong. However, they fail to realize or understand the consequences for something they have done wrong. Also many fail to see what they have done was wrong. Once it is explained some of them will have 100% remorse, while others can never admit that they did anything wrong. Medication keeps them on the straight and narrow, but once they are off, look out, you never know what they will do.

 

[Bravo]

Had he murdered Kienan there would be no understanding. Understandibly so. I dont give him a pass. We didn't live the terror this Family did for days fearing the worst. He had the understanding to plan and hide. If he gets a pass from the Law he will do it again. Next time it may be worse.

 

[nao]

JMO and respect to others opinions
In the 80s -30ish years ago RH did time for sex assualt- he only got 2 yrs -so not big time.
We do not know what he did.
He has NOT been convicted with any sex crimes since then. He B&Es for sure, but it must be small time - food survival stuff-nunno thats my best guess -we do not know.
JMO in his way he's trying to save kids- a child in foster care, a little fella with a black eye.
Squatting is legal in UK. Out here for the winter, i think its accepted, just don't steal stuff, don't wreck it.
As i understand -He always winters there, maybe the RCMP did'nt know wich cabin but-
strange case - and no i don't have a problem with the way RH lives . Out here we have a swiming pool - so showers. i don't know what Sparwood has.
JMO MOO

 

[flipflop]

It will be interesting to hear more about many things...if he is diagnosed with a mental health issue...what his story is....how much of this was pre-planned etc.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree he needs to pay the price (jail time) for his wrong doing. With our laws he will not get life for this offense. Therefore he also needs some major help with his mental health issue so that this never happens again once he is released.

 

[margaret_diane]

I'd like to know who RH is going to try to blame this one on when "his story" comes out?? I cannot help but wonder if maybe he didn't get tied up in this whole thing somehow, but perhaps it was not his doing?? I'll give you an example of what could have happened:

-> he gets out of jail... goes home to OS's house.
-> tuesday evening, he goes to see his estranged mother whom he has not seen in one year or so. nothing out of the ordinary takes place....
-> he goes home to OS's house on Tuesday night, and does whatever he normally would do.
-> maybe in the middle of the night, he gets a phone call, or a text, or even an email... maybe someone else has dropped by to visit... I don't know... but this person... talks of kidnapping a small child, and wants RH's help to do it?? Or maybe this person already HAS Kienan... and is now imploring RH for help on how to conduct matters....
-> MAYBE... RH met UP with someone who already HAD Kienan, and maybe... he opted to stay with the child for some reason, perhaps to keep him safe from the other person (again, this is purely fictional... but its a possible explanation for how he got involved). Maybe the other person wasn't going to return the child, but somehow RH talked him into it, or... did what we'd want EVERYONE in that situation to do - protect the child at all costs, and return him to safety at the earliest opportunity!!

Its doubtful that things went down completely the way I've fictionalized them above, but hey -- anything is possible!! Keep an open mind -- we never know what kind of evidence will be turned up (if any) against RH. We don't know what police think they have on him, or how strong their case is yet, except that THEY say it is a good strong case (this is not a quote, just recalling when Cpl M. stated that if police saw RH in the streets, they'd arrest him, and that they did have the grounds to arrest him)..... Clearly they believe it was him -- and it might have been in all or in part -- but we won't know that for sure for some time yet (til trial at least), if ever!!? Its possible we'll never get the entire story of what really transpired or how.... (eg: Casey Anthony!!).... but we owe it to LE to be supportive of the fact that their efforts helped bring an abductee home, and capture a suspect!!!!

 

[nao]

what i want to know why he is been seen as a pedo, i don't see any history?

 

[margaret_diane]

what i want to know why he is been seen as a pedo, i don't see any history?

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/sus...d+including+sex+assault/6442477579/story.html

 

[Wondergirl]

Section 672.11 of the Criminal Code

A court having jurisdiction over an accused in respect of an offence may order an assessment of the mental condition of the accused, if it has reasonable grounds to believe that such evidence is necessary to determine
(a) whether the accused is unfit to stand trial;
(b) whether the accused was, at the time of the commission of the alleged offence, suffering from a mental disorder so as to be exempt from criminal responsibility by virtue of subsection 16(1).


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...9/14/bc-randall-hopley-charges-cranbrook.html

 

[nao]

No - margaret diane - did not see anything sexual

 

[Wondergirl]

Sad and sorry for what??? :waitasec:

The British Columbia man accused of abducting a three-year-old Sparwood boy is exhausted, "sad and sorry" and possibly under a suicide watch the day after his capture, according to his lawyer. "Mr. Hopley is very sad and sorry for being in the situation that he's in," said Hopley's lawyer, William Thorne. The lawyer has represented the accused on one other occasion.


"He's also glad to see that the young boy got returned home safely. I wouldn't be surprised if he was (under suicide watch)."


http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...court_110914/20110914?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

 

[Wondergirl]

On Hopley:

Brandon Johnson, who describes himself as Hopley's best friend and a former heroin addict, said the accused contacted him a few days before his capture.

"He said, ‘My life is over, I gotta go,'" Johnson told CTV News outside the courtroom, adding that he didn't ask Hopley what he was talking about.

"I had an urge, but I didn't say nothing."

Johnson credits Hopley for getting him off drugs and turning his life around.

"He's got me off the streets, he's got me clean. At 16 years old he started talking to me and it's like, sad to see this. It's like seeing my own brother go to jail," he said.

"I'm a little angry but I'm also upset. He made me a promise he wouldn't get into trouble again."

Johnson said Hopley has had an incredibly hard life.

On Kienan

Paul Hebert, Kienan's father, said his son has enjoyed being back at home with his seven siblings but has started showing some signs of emotional distress.

Hebert said he would seek professional help for the young boy.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...court_110914/20110914?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

 

[koolmum]

"He's also glad to see that the young boy got returned home safely. I wouldn't be surprised if he was (under suicide watch)."

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome

So, was he or wasn't he the one to return him? Sort of leaves it open.

 

[~n/t~]

what i want to know why he is been seen as a pedo, i don't see any history?

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/13/bc-kidnap-suspect-reportedly-had-sex-lair

 

[Wondergirl]

More from the Skapin's:

Ed Skapin's family caught Hopley at their cabin in May 2010 and called RCMP, who found a horde of stolen equipment and charged the man with break and enter with intent to commit mischief, unlawful living in a dwelling house and possession of stolen property.

The cabin, which was razed soon after, was located less than a few kilometres from where Hopley was found on Tuesday.

He is set to appear in court Sept. 19.

Skapin is demanding to know why justice officials let the man go pending trial and why the sordid mess left behind was never taken into account given the the man's criminal history, which includes a sexual assault.

"Everybody knew what he was," Skapin said. "We've been holding things back because we wanted (Kienan) found safe and didn't want to release anything that would escalate the situation."

Skapin's wife, their two children and his brother-in-law encountered Hopley on May 16 while on a trip to scatter his mother-in-law's ashes near the cabin.

Skapin said the man pleaded with his family to allow him to stay. The family left the property and called RCMP, where they met the Mounties just as Hopley came down the road.

Later, inside the cabin, they found what Skapin called "a house of horrors."

Sex toys, various lotions and lubricants, diapers, children's movies and "hundreds" of pieces of kids' clothing were strewn among boxes of chocolate bars and Twinkies.


http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/13/bc-kidnap-suspect-reportedly-had-sex-lair

 

[Wondergirl]

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...pley_randall_110914/20110914/?hub=CalgaryHome