Identified! Canada - Laurentian Hills, WhtMale 28-40, 334UMON, eyeglasses, Sep'01 - Name withheld

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Thanks Hazel! I guess there are so many iud's that keeping them all "under one roof" and current, is difficult and complex. The language translation was not a problem, but sometimes height and weight and the layout of some sites can be tricky...
I totally gree about the layout of some sites.....so many times I find myself thinking that all major missing persons sites worldwide should agree in one format, because seriously some sites are so difficult to navigate, or the quality or size of the pictures doesn't help much neither :(
 
New article detailing how UID's are handled.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/a...discovery-all-yield-clues-in-identifying-body
Unidentified remains

About 12 cases of unidentified human remains have been found in Toronto since 2005.
There are 1,400 missing persons in the province. (In Canada, 7,200)
There are about 200 unidentified human remains in the province in an OPP database. (In Canada, about 600)
Of the 200, 41 unidentified males and two unidentified females were found in Toronto.
The oldest case of an unidentified body (male) in the OPP database was located Dec. 15th, 1956 in a wooded area outside the North Bay city limits.
In Toronto’s morgue, there are 128 sets of remains. This includes skeletal remains. Some date back to the 1960s.
 
Laid in bed thinking about this case last night. Has it been established how far from a common area he was found?
 
Laid in bed thinking about this case last night. Has it been established how far from a common area he was found?
A resident of Deep River, who has helped us a lot in Lachlan Cranswick's thread, has made this screenshot of the Deep River area. The red dot indicates the spot where B.Stone's body was found, according to what he/she was told by the person who found Bret Stone. Safetytwin has graciously authorized me to share his/her information in this thread, and ...(ok, better if I just post the links to safetytwin's posts, in her/his own words :) )
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Bret Stone's body was found approximately 6 km away from DR (in a straight line - a longer distance by back roads and trails), near the edge of Algonquin Park. AFAIK, no-one had seen him in the town and no-one in town recognized him. Is there any evidence that he was a) murdered and b) died in DR itself? I am not aware of any.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6230692&postcount=380
I made a map, in order to give us an idea of how far away from Deep River would 6 km be:

Distance between ( A ) and ( B ) is 6 km according to Google maps - the red spot seems IMO farther away than 6 km, but that could just be my perception.

Here is the link to the map : http://goo.gl/maps/r9Eq


more links in next posts
 
"There were also 2 protein bars from a G.N.C. store, more than likely from the States. Empty bottle of Rapid Fat Loss pills. Empty bottle of Caffeine pills. White tube of Acnomel acne cream"

If these two were combined I wonder if there is a possibility it may be fatal?
 
I'm bringing safetytwin's posts here (from Lachlan's thread). Am including direct link to post on LC's thread -- clicking on the small blue arrow
viewpost.gif
right beside safetytwin's name, will also do the trick.
Hazel - thanks for your kind words.

Screen capture as you requested . It is a bit west of the area you linked, but you should be able to line it up according to Sullivan Lake. The red dot marks where he was found, at least as was described to me by the person who found him.

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I confess I didn't check the BS thread on WS, though I have looked at it in
the past. Perhaps he died of hypothermia (below freezing temperatures are
not necessary for that), or from too many diet/caffeine pills. One can only guess, given the lack of official information.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6233013#post6233013
 
thank you so much safetytwin! Would it be ok to post your info in bret's thread?

Been looking at the area where the red dot is, and looks like in the middle of nowhere, to me at least. I am sure that must be an accessible area, since he was found fairly quick. Am trying to find a ski trail around, but no luck so far. Did the person who found him happen to mention the name of the ski trail? I know i'm pushing my luck :d

i see big & little bass lakes are closeby:

Lbl : http://travelingluck.com/north america/canada/ontario/_6054810_little bass lake.html#local_map

there is a picture there of http://media.cns-snc.ca/history/npd/npd.html"]nuclear power demonstration reactor (1962)

you are right about hypothermia safetytwin. I personally never considered that, 'cause he was found first days of september. The diet/caffeine pills theory would be more likely imo though. In any case, i'm sure the autopsy results contain those answers.

Maybe he was disoriented and got lost, and couldn't found his way back. Doesn't appear he had a map of the ski trail (or area) with him.
It is such a mystery! How did he get to that location? I guess we can safely assume he didn't drive since there was no vehicle found abandoned. What puzzles the most, is why didn't he have an id? Who is bret stone?


hazel - feel free to post my info on bret's thread. I'll post any comments i have beyond this one over there as well.

You are right - the spot is pretty much in the middle of nowhere. There is an extensive network of wilderness ski trails (maintained by volunteers) in the area, and the outhouse and cabin (which would have been locked) are beside one. Bret could only have reached that location on foot or possibly by atv, since there is no real road access beyond the end of the bass lake road, and that only goes as far as sullivan lake. On the satellite view you can see a cleared strip through the bush which is where the gas pipeline runs; there is also a railway line, now no longer in use. There are snowmobile trails in the winter, and some rough logging roads that would not be usable by ordinary vehicles. There are no nearby roads into or out of algonquin park either, although the boundary of the park is very close.

I can't imagine how he ended up there, unless he started off on one of the trails in a spirit of adventure and got very lost. That would be easy to do for someone who didn't know the area and didn't have a map. He was found quickly just by chance - the person who came across him was (if i recall correctly) out doing some trail clearing and went there to use the outhouse.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6237355#post6237355
 
apologies for quoting myself - this is last post to bring here from Lachlan's thread
sorry, it's me again :)

( 1 ) found a very good map of the Algonquin Provincial Park (area in green). When viewing in 300%, am able to locate Big Bass L on the yellow part, right hand side of map, a bit under Des Joaquims Power Dev. (Pembroke 59 Km).

So according to this map, none of the Bass Lakes nor the Heart Lake is part of the Algonquin Park; closest point would be Kellys Lake. Wish we could find a map showing roads and ski trails of the area in question.

pdf map : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~crpalmer/algonquin/alg2.pdf

site where I found map : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~crpalmer/algonquin/map.html

P.S.: I have pdf reader disabled cause I got a warning of some kind, but was able to open it with default Image Viewer, so am not sure if that is why I am only able to view the area where Big Bass L is, when viewed is 300%...might work in smaller size for you guys.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6236541#post6236541
 
Hazel - Thanks for bringing everything over here from the other thread. I have made another screen capture from the Google map image this time, again with a red dot marking the place he was found:

location_map.jpg

and here is a link to the live Google map at the same location (sorry, no red dot):

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=46.109422,-77.608967&spn=0.074024,0.204964&z=13

Deep River is to the right, Algonquin Park (green) to the left. As for roads - what you see is what you get (i.e. not much). The satellite view gives a good idea of the terrain.

Hope this helps to give some feel of the area.
 
Thanks to Hazel and Safetytwin, it is nice to see some renewed interest in this case.
 
Here's a link to the Cabin Trails map:

http://www.drxc.ca/maps/cabin trail map.pdf

On the above map, "Park Avenue" is to the south of where Bret was found (not sure of distance). Presumably Park Av comes out of Algonquin Park. I'm wondering if Bret arrived at the location from the west (i.e. through Algonquin), rather than along the trails that come in from Deep River to the east.

Safetytwin, would you say your red dot places Bret close to Hut Lake? Do you know if there is an actual "hut" at Hut Lake that travellers would seek out for shelter?

Here are some folks talking "hut to hut travel" with mention of the Chalk River Canyon Route. Their recollection is that the cabin is run by the DR x-country ski club:

http://www.myccr.com/SectionForums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=10971

Here's a pretty good map of Algonquin Park (zoom to about 200 to find Big Bass Lake at the very right edge of the map). Just gives an idea of where Bret was in relation to the Park.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~crpalmer/algonquin/alg2.pdf
 
Here's a link to the Cabin Trails map:

http://www.drxc.ca/maps/cabin trail map.pdf

On the above map, "Park Avenue" is to the south of where Bret was found (not sure of distance). Presumably Park Av comes out of Algonquin Park. I'm wondering if Bret arrived at the location from the west (i.e. through Algonquin), rather than along the trails that come in from Deep River to the east.

Safetytwin, would you say your red dot places Bret close to Hut Lake? Do you know if there is an actual "hut" at Hut Lake that travellers would seek out for shelter?

Here are some folks talking "hut to hut travel" with mention of the Chalk River Canyon Route. Their recollection is that the cabin is run by the DR x-country ski club:

http://www.myccr.com/SectionForums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=10971

Here's a pretty good map of Algonquin Park (zoom to about 200 to find Big Bass Lake at the very right edge of the map). Just gives an idea of where Bret was in relation to the Park.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~crpalmer/algonquin/alg2.pdf

SB, The red dot is indeed at Hut Lake, the location of the DR XC ski cabin.
The cabin is locked if there is no-one there. Bret was found in the outhouse,
which would have been the only accessible shelter.

AFAIK, "Park Avenue" is a dead end trail, just an out and back excursion
from the cabin for a scenic view of the CR canyon.

While it is not totally impossible that Bret might have approached the cabin
from the west, I think that realistically it is highly unlikely. There are
no developed or marked trails in that part of Algonquin Park, no public
roads, no campgrounds, no ranger stations, not much of anything except
bush, rocks, trees, swamps, etc. If you look at the Google satellite view of the area,
you can see that it is rough country, very difficult to travel through
on foot, and it takes a long time to get anywhere (based on personal
experience). He was not dressed or equipped for that sort of expedition.

He might have been hitchhiking along Hwy 17 and for some reason headed up
the Bass Lake Road. Perhaps he asked someone where Algonquin Park was and they pointed
in that direction without explanation. Perhaps he did not
understand English very well and misinterpreted what someone said. Even a
road map shows where the park is, though no map was found with him. Perhaps it was lost somewhere,
along with his ID.

A lot of questions and no answers.

As an aside, there is some weather data from the CR station here:
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?
timeframe=2&Prov=CA&StationID=4243&Year=2001&Month=9&Day=3
It doesn't tell you much, except that if he was outdoors he would have
gotten wet on Sept. 3rd, and that the nights were cool.
 
SB, The red dot is indeed at Hut Lake, the location of the DR XC ski cabin.
The cabin is locked if there is no-one there. Bret was found in the outhouse,
which would have been the only accessible shelter.

AFAIK, "Park Avenue" is a dead end trail, just an out and back excursion
from the cabin for a scenic view of the CR canyon.

While it is not totally impossible that Bret might have approached the cabin
from the west, I think that realistically it is highly unlikely. There are
no developed or marked trails in that part of Algonquin Park, no public
roads, no campgrounds, no ranger stations, not much of anything except
bush, rocks, trees, swamps, etc. If you look at the Google satellite view of the area,
you can see that it is rough country, very difficult to travel through
on foot, and it takes a long time to get anywhere (based on personal
experience). He was not dressed or equipped for that sort of expedition.


He might have been hitchhiking along Hwy 17 and for some reason headed up
the Bass Lake Road. Perhaps he asked someone where Algonquin Park was and they pointed
in that direction without explanation. Perhaps he did not
understand English very well and misinterpreted what someone said. Even a
road map shows where the park is, though no map was found with him. Perhaps it was lost somewhere, along with his ID.


A lot of questions and no answers.

As an aside, there is some weather data from the CR station here:
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?
timeframe=2&Prov=CA&StationID=4243&Year=2001&Month=9&Day=3
It doesn't tell you much, except that if he was outdoors he would have
gotten wet on Sept. 3rd, and that the nights were cool.
RBBM
Thank you again safetytwin ~ we also have to take into consideration that this happened 10 years ago, and you say that area is still rough country, very difficult to travel through on foot.
Why would someone venture there all alone, and unprepared: no tent, no water, no mosquito repellent, no map, not even a camera to take pictures of his adventure. His wallet and ID were not found.
It would appear as if he was robbed (perhaps he was hitchhicking?), then was left in that area. Imagine not knowing where you are, and thinking that a bear could appear anytime (at least that is what I would be thinking about...and panicking). He could have died of fear--heart attack? ... just a thought.
 
Hm. Makes one wonder whether the caffeine overdose might have been taken deliberately.
 
Hm. Makes one wonder whether the caffeine overdose might have been taken deliberately.
Has it been confirmed that he died of caffeine overdose? I thought COD had not been released to the public :dunno: I guess one of these days I'll have to go back and re-read from post 1 :)
 
One of the problems with theorising that he was mugged of pack and tent and supplies by a stranger is that one needs to somehow reconcile this with the fact that anyone who took his stuff would have to lug it out of there along with the supplies they brought to take care of themselves on the trail... all the while knowing their now under-loaded victim might decide to catch up to their over-loaded and therefore exhausted selves and jump them from behind. I can see someone forcibly taking food, a camera, cigarettes, a hip flask etc etc from another person on the trail. Not so much a pack, tent and sleeping bag, unless they decided his were very nice indeed and worth ditching their own for.

Chances are, somewhere out there near the trails is a tent and sleeping bag associated with this case.
 
Has it been confirmed that he died of caffeine overdose? I thought COD had not been released to the public :dunno: I guess one of these days I'll have to go back and re-read from post 1 :)

You're right, I should have phrased that in a more hypothetical manner.
 
One of the problems with theorising that he was mugged of pack and tent and supplies by a stranger is that one needs to somehow reconcile this with the fact that anyone who took his stuff would have to lug it out of there along with the supplies they brought to take care of themselves on the trail... all the while knowing their now under-loaded victim might decide to catch up to their over-loaded and therefore exhausted selves and jump them from behind. I can see someone forcibly taking food, a camera, cigarettes, a hip flask etc etc from another person on the trail. Not so much a pack, tent and sleeping bag, unless they decided his were very nice indeed and worth ditching their own for.

Chances are, somewhere out there near the trails is a tent and sleeping bag associated with this case.

Totally agree with you. Although ten years is a long time, you may still be able to find a well presrved leather bag containing ID. May I suggest a day hike for nearby Ontario members to get together, perhaps in May, before the bug season, and after the snow melts? You never know, there might just be a clue left hiding in the bush? I'd be game to join in.
 
Wish I was a little closer to be able to join in. I think its a great idea. It would help to make sense of the location he was found etc.
 
Bumping for BS, still keeping eyes (and mind) open..
 

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