GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[wonders]

Police have refused to comment on when they moved into the apartment. Everything I've read, since the beginning of the case, mentioned February as the time that they moved into the apartment.

So the point is:
No one in the public knows when they moved in.

This speculating is how rumors get started. We should IMO only discuss what we know for sure. We know Loretta is dead...What are some of the other FACTS we know for sure?

 

[elepher50]

My opinion is that Loretta put an ad in Kijiji (similar to CraigsList) to probably sub-let her apartment. It has been documented that Victoria regularly 'cruised' through 'buy and sells' looking for items so it is not a stretch to me at all that this is how they landed in the apartment on Cowie Hill. What line of BS was fed to Loretta by these two to get the keys who knows - but it probably was one big line of BS.

 

[otto]

I know that this may or may not be off topic but this has to do with the inquiry that people want to see.
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Peter MacKay throws reports about missing and murdered indigenous women on the ground in parliament. No respect for the dead and missing, no respect for human life, no respect for women, no respect for the responsibilities of government. Its hard to believe these clowns are in charge.http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2440627859/

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Wow is all I got to say to this and he should be fired this is not what we canadians expect from our Minister of Justice and Attorney General. How dare he do this.

Also when he was the defense minister he lied directly to our armed forces when he was on a tv show I believe it was on cbc.

He proposed that the 30-40 documents be "tabled". What does that mean?

 

[Truth Prevails]

Just curious- do we know 100% for sure that they hadn't paid Loretta ANY money? Did I miss where this was posted as fact? Had they paid for January which secured them being given a key and trusted to live there? But then they were late on February's rent and that is why Loretta went to collect? I think I must have missed something If we know without a doubt that Loretta had never seen money from them... She must have been such a trusting person. (I am the same way, I will lend money to someone in a heartbeat and then cut back and go without something myself and that has caused me to be taken advantage of by so-called "friends" in the past)

We do not know for certain that they hadn't paid Loretta any money.

Or perhaps someone could supply a link to this, because I have missed it, also.

The time line which we are going by is very sketchy and is not confirmed. It was created from Facebook comments by Victoria, who is a known liar.

It looks like they were in Calgary, Alberta, in November of 2013; and in one comment, Victoria appears to be looking for a home for her cats.

The next comment we have for her shows some indication that she is in Halifax, NS; and this is in January, 2014--but we do not know when she or they actually arrived.

I would guess that if there is any truth to the comment of her giving her cats away in November of 2013, they arrived in Halifax not long after.

But I have seen nothing to say when, or even if they made one of their frequent stops in Ontario, in between November and January--or if there is any truth to any of her comments.

We really do not know.

 

[otto]

My opinion is that Loretta put an ad in Kijiji (similar to CraigsList) and that Victoria and Blake to probably sub-let her apartment. It has been documented that Victoria regularly 'cruised' through 'buy and sells' looking for items so it is not a stretch to me at all that this is how they landed in the apartment on Cowie Hill. What line of BS was fed to Loretta by these two to get the keys who knows - but it probably was one big line of BS.

Keeping in mind that Loretta's family identified her "partner" as someone other than the man we believed to be her boyfriend ...

"Ms. Saunders, originally from Hopedale, N.L., had taken two roommates into her Halifax high-rise apartment on Cowie Hill Road to help cover her school expenses, said Mr. Saunders. He is not sure if she met the renters on Kijiji, an online advertising site, or was introduced to them by her boyfriend."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ssing-aboriginal-women-disappears-in-halifax/

 

[Truth Prevails]

IMO Lorettas death has nothing to do with the fact she is Aboriginal.

I see your point and I really do agree that Loretta's Aboriginal status had nothing to do with the motivation behind the premeditation of her murder.

It's just that Loretta was Aboriginal, and proud of it--and she wound up as another shocking statistic.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Thank you . I have read that before... But it does say they are back in Halifax in January... How do we know they didn't move to Loretta's during January? Maybe they moved in halfway through the month? I have not seen anything saying they moved in exactly on Feb 1st.

Exactly. The time line is completely unverified. It is taken from comments made by Victoria on Facebook; and Victoria is a known liar--to say the least.

We simply do not know what month they arrived in Halifax, NS; nor when they first moved into Loretta's apartment.

 

[elepher50]

Keeping in mind that Loretta's family identified her "partner" as someone other than the man we believed to be her boyfriend ...

"Ms. Saunders, originally from Hopedale, N.L., had taken two roommates into her Halifax high-rise apartment on Cowie Hill Road to help cover her school expenses, said Mr. Saunders. He is not sure if she met the renters on Kijiji, an online advertising site, or was introduced to them by her boyfriend."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ssing-aboriginal-women-disappears-in-halifax/

Right the boyfriend being referred to by Mr. Saunders (Loretta's brother) is probably not Yalcin. Yalcin was in the media as being the boyfriend however, Loretta's family had a different view on who her boyfriend was and named him in a since retracted obituary.

It is a possibility that Victoria and Blake knew the ex-boyfriend or had connections to him through drug circles. Very possible.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I don't know why we are insisting that Loretta had a "connection" to these people.
It could be as simple as Loretta being in a class with one or both of them.
Let's just say for instance:::They move in in the middle of January so Loretta prorates what's left of the month and they pay. Now come's February, she's expecting a full months rent payment and these people keep blowing her off. She goes over and is never seen again. If they are drug users then it explains a lot to me. Drug users will do anything for their drugs including murdering a landlord so that they can keep what money they have for their drugs or had already spent the rent on drugs.

Exactly. There are so many scenarios that could fit, I don't know why one very weak scenario that goes toward denigrating the victim is being continuously pushed forward, ad nauseam.

About the only thing we know, is that Loretta went there that day and tried to collect money owed to her, and ended up murdered.

 

[Truth Prevails]

So the point is:
No one in the public knows when they moved in.

This speculating is how rumors get started. We should IMO only discuss what we know for sure. We know Loretta is dead...What are some of the other FACTS we know for sure?

BBM - that's correct.

There is a time line at the bottom of this link, and these are about the only "facts" that we can be sure of.

It's not much.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...l-draws-hundreds-to-parliament-hill-1.2561062

 

[mye400can]

He proposed that the 30-40 documents be "tabled". What does that mean?

It means that he asked for documents including the inquiry to be tabled.

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Tabling of Documents

"Tabling of Documents" is the first rubric under Routine Proceedings. The presentation of government reports and returns (responses) is one method by which the House of Commons obtains information. In addition to administrative documents that may be tabled in the House by Ministers, certain returns, reports and other papers are required to be laid before the House each year or session either by statute, by order of the House or pursuant to the Standing Orders."

But since the inquiry request was not in both official languages he threw them on the ground.

 

[Truth Prevails]

My opinion is that Loretta put an ad in Kijiji (similar to CraigsList) to probably sub-let her apartment. It has been documented that Victoria regularly 'cruised' through 'buy and sells' looking for items so it is not a stretch to me at all that this is how they landed in the apartment on Cowie Hill. What line of BS was fed to Loretta by these two to get the keys who knows - but it probably was one big line of BS.

I agree with this.

For one thing, Yalcin mentioned Kijiji in a main stream media article.

We have seen nothing to indicate that this should be discounted.

And, yes, from the Facebook comments we can reasonably conclude that Victoria cruised through the buy and sells, even showing interest in purchasing a gun if it was in working order; and using same to sell things of [supposedly] her own.

The grifters who are today accused murderers, would definitely been experienced enough to have been able to feed Loretta a line--and a good one.

I bet most people would have fallen for it--not just Loretta.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Right the boyfriend being referred to by Mr. Saunders (Loretta's brother) is probably not Yalcin. Yalcin was in the media as being the boyfriend however, Loretta's family had a different view on who her boyfriend was and named him in a since retracted obituary.

It is a possibility that Victoria and Blake knew the ex-boyfriend or had connections to him through drug circles. Very possible.

Keep in mind, too; that Loretta's brother was in an "emotional" state, and not likely very in the know about anything.

Quote: “My family now is at the point where we’re expecting the worst,” said an emotional Edmund Saunders, her brother, in an interview Wednesday night.

“We just want to get her home. We know she’s not OK; she’s not well. She wouldn’t go this long without talking to her Dad. We just want to know where she is and bring her home.”
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ssing-aboriginal-women-disappears-in-halifax/

I haven't seen anything to indicate when he last saw or spoke to Loretta.

 

[otto]

I see your point and I really do agree that Loretta's Aboriginal status had nothing to do with the motivation behind the premeditation of her murder.

It's just that Loretta was Aboriginal, and proud of it--and she wound up as another shocking statistic.

Women of all nationalities can be a missing/murdered women statistic. The victims are all proud of their ancestry. Loretta's murder does not fall into the category of a woman that was murdered because she was aboriginal. Take Back the Night is an annual event to highlight violence against women. Loretta's murder does not fall into the category of violence against women either. She was not a victim solely because she is female. Loretta is a victim of a random murder that appears to be connected with theft. That is something that happens to all types of people, regardless of gender, age, or place of birth.

 

[otto]

Right the boyfriend being referred to by Mr. Saunders (Loretta's brother) is probably not Yalcin. Yalcin was in the media as being the boyfriend however, Loretta's family had a different view on who her boyfriend was and named him in a since retracted obituary.

It is a possibility that Victoria and Blake knew the ex-boyfriend or had connections to him through drug circles. Very possible.

I think that is quite possible. That would also explain why Loretta would initiate a contract arrangement to share her apartment with two homeless drifters without properly ensuring that they could pay rent (references, damage deposit, first/last month rent).

 

[otto]

Exactly. There are so many scenarios that could fit, I don't know why one very weak scenario that goes toward denigrating the victim is being continuously pushed forward, ad nauseam.

About the only thing we know, is that Loretta went there that day and tried to collect money owed to her, and ended up murdered.

How is questioning the relationship between three roommates "denigrating" a victim?

Loretta went home to her apartment on the day that she was murdered. We have only the comment from the man that she sometimes stayed with in Halifax (foreign student from Turkey) claiming that she was going to collect $700 in "rent" from her roommates that day. This is the same man that did not see any reason to report her missing even though he had not seen her for four days. That would suggest to me that he did not find it unusual that she did not report to him on a regular basis.

 

[otto]

It means that he asked for documents including the inquiry to be tabled.

--

Tabling of Documents

"Tabling of Documents" is the first rubric under Routine Proceedings. The presentation of government reports and returns (responses) is one method by which the House of Commons obtains information. In addition to administrative documents that may be tabled in the House by Ministers, certain returns, reports and other papers are required to be laid before the House each year or session either by statute, by order of the House or pursuant to the Standing Orders."

But since the inquiry request was not in both official languages he threw them on the ground.

What does it mean to be "tabled"? Does that mean that it's put forth for further discussion?

 

[otto]

I agree with this.

For one thing, Yalcin mentioned Kijiji in a main stream media article.

We have seen nothing to indicate that this should be discounted.

And, yes, from the Facebook comments we can reasonably conclude that Victoria cruised through the buy and sells, even showing interest in purchasing a gun if it was in working order; and using same to sell things of [supposedly] her own.

The grifters who are today accused murderers, would definitely been experienced enough to have been able to feed Loretta a line--and a good one.

I bet most people would have fallen for it--not just Loretta.

The foreign student from Turkey, whom the family does not acknowledge as a boyfriend, said that Loretta may have sought roommates through an online advertisement. Loretta's brother said that her "boyfriend" may have referred Victoria and Blake.

There's no reason to ignore Loretta's brother's statement.

 

[mye400can]

What does it mean to be "tabled"? Does that mean that it's put forth for further discussion?

Yes. So anyone including you can ask for something to be tabled. Just wanted to say that you could have something tabled so you know that it was not mackay that actually did the documents. In this case it was the ndp who asked for the inquiry that was submitted to the ndp.

Don't really know how to explain it really.

The bottom line is he has no respect and should be fired.

 

[otto]

Keep in mind, too; that Loretta's brother was in an "emotional" state, and not likely very in the know about anything.

Quote: “My family now is at the point where we’re expecting the worst,” said an emotional Edmund Saunders, her brother, in an interview Wednesday night.

“We just want to get her home. We know she’s not OK; she’s not well. She wouldn’t go this long without talking to her Dad. We just want to know where she is and bring her home.”
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ssing-aboriginal-women-disappears-in-halifax/

I haven't seen anything to indicate when he last saw or spoke to Loretta.

The foreign student from Turkey has said that he expected to spend the rest of his life with Loretta. To suggest that her brother's statement should be ignored because he was emotional means that everything said by the foreign student should also be ignored ... because he was also emotional

There is no way to argue that the foreign student's statement should be considered fact and the brother's statement should be considered fiction, and there's no good reason to suggest that one statement is more factual than the other. The foreign student thought that Loretta found roommates through an online add, and the brother added to that information by stating that it may have been a reference through her "boyfriend".