Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[srper2]

If they did have a gun or guns, and actually were the killers (still only suspects) there is the possibility they saw the van on the side of the road, thought it was left abandoned for the night, pulled over and shot the back window out (maybe being stupid with a new gun?). I have looked at the back window and if you look closely, it appears to have some areas which haven't fallen out which are dinted inwards. I believe the van window was shot out from the outside. If Chynna or Lucas heard a vehicle stop behind them and got up or sat up inside the van and tried to look out the rear window as BS and KM shot it, they could have been shot. if one was shot, the other may have jumped out of the van calling out pleading for them to stop and been shot if CD and BS panicked when they realised there were people inside?

 

[katydid23]

What are you talking about? What apartment?

I thought I had read they lived together when they worked nights at Walmart. Maybe I am imagining it. My kids do think I have early onset dementia sometimes.

 

[Optics]

No

I thought I had read they lived together when they worked nights at Walmart. Maybe I am imagining it. My kids do think I have early onset dementia sometimes.

they didn't live together, Bryer lived with his grandmother, but he spent much time at Kam's place. Kam lived with his parents.

 

[katydid23]

No

they didn't live together, Bryer lived with his grandmother, but he spent much time at Kam's place. Kam lived with his parents.

OK. Sorry for the misinformation. My memory is worse than I thought.

So that goes to my original point, that they did take their belongings along on their trip. They wouldnt have much else besides computers, gaming equipment, and clothing.

 

[Arizona 123]

This may be a preposterous notion, but this is the Internet so I'm going to say it anyway; what if there's a reason they burned the truck and RAV4, one we haven't yet considered?

What if the vehicles were stuck? Looking at photos of the burned truck, it appears its on an up incline, just past a shallow depression. With a camper on the back, and muddy soil, I could see that getting stuck.
Then the original location of the RAV, where it's on fire... I really can't see orange peels surviving that fire, so what if they were merely around the car? That's fit with them basically camping in the car, only to find it stuck. And, they managed to get it stuck in the mud inside a town (Cold Lake) in perhaps the only spot inside that town where that could be achieved.

Could it be this simple; the vehicles got stuck, so they burned them to try to cover their trail?

I know this is more than a bit far-fetched, but so is a lot about this case that we know to be true.

 

[srper2]

This may be a preposterous notion, but this is the Internet so I'm going to say it anyway; what if there's a reason they burned the truck and RAV4, one we haven't yet considered?

What if the vehicles were stuck? Looking at photos of the burned truck, it appears its on an up incline, just past a shallow depression. With a camper on the back, and muddy soil, I could see that getting stuck.
Then the original location of the RAV, where it's on fire... I really can't see orange peels surviving that fire, so what if they were merely around the car? That's fit with them basically camping in the car, only to find it stuck. And, they managed to get it stuck in the mud inside a town (Cold Lake) in perhaps the only spot inside that town where that could be achieved.

Could it be this simple; the vehicles got stuck, so they burned them to try to cover their trail?

I know this is more than a bit far-fetched, but so is a lot about this case that we know to be true.

This possibility has been explored extensively in long past posts, but good to bring it up again. They could have been stuck, the truck could have been broken down, etc. Whatever happened with the truck, for some reason, they left most of their belongings in it to burn.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Also shooting six times would most likely have resulted in the two victims being further apart if it was a large caliber, due to bigger caliber greater recoil.

I can't comment on the guns, caliber etc as I know absolutely nothing about them but Trevor Pierre said their bodies were about 5 metres (16.4 feet) apart. I saw the blurred images and can only think he misspoke as it looked more like 5' to me. Will this make a difference?

 

[JudgeJudi]

A Port Alberni resident who spoke with the Alberni Valley News said he was on his way home to Port Alberni when he happened to stop in the store where KM and BS purchased a hunting rifle before their trip.

"I watched as the clerk shared his expertise and advised on the best cartridges to use, matched a hunting rifle to their budgets and made the sale,” he said. The information has since been shared with the RCMP, he added.

https://www.vancouverislandfreedail...left-cellphone-video-before-they-died-family/

I'm leaning towards Kam already legally owning a rifle (a non-restricted firearm). If so, he would have been required to pass safety tests before being eligible for a firearms license. He would also have been subject to background checks, which take into account criminal, mental health, addiction, and domestic violence records, but we haven’t heard that any of these applied to him. In addition to background checks, “third party character references for each gun licence applicant are required.”

I can only guess that Kam bought the rifle as he had already met all the necessary requirements when he got his first gun. BS on the other hand came from a very fractured home and had run away to live with his grandmother, and somehow I just can’t see him passing the background checks. His mother said she was afraid of him so she would hardly be asked to be a referee. He doesn’t seem to have been close to others so who else would give him a character reference for a gun?

Rather than training in the woods in survival techniques with Kam, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if these were times when Kam was teaching him how to use a rifle. If this were the case, everything sounds incredibly premeditated.

I doubt very much we’ll learn a great deal more from RCMP. I think it will be more an outline of what happened and very light on detail.

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Canada | Law Library of Congress

 

[JudgeJudi]

People who would have otherwise killed themselves, decide to take their rage and frustration out on the world first.

Someone suggested earlier that the 9 orange cones where LD's body was found were probably shell casings. If it took 9 shots to kill a 64-year-old man, that shouts rage and overkill to me.

 

[JudgeJudi]

But still the question of where did the money come from to buy all this?

Maybe that was the sole reason they worked at Walmart for 2 paychecks each. Enough to buy a second gun, ammo, some supplies, gas, not forgetting BS's new suit.

 

[catdctr]

Has anyone seen this article?

Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride

 

[ErinBat]

Interesting, that article is dated July 31st and I hadn’t ever come across it. Wonder if it was considered unsubstantiated because there wasn’t video.

 

[JudgeJudi]

From my memory since I can’t find the direct link. July 28/29 there were reports of shots fired? At the time, it was thought to be the RCMP indicating their location in the bush because their radios weren’t working properly? Has this ever been confirmed? Is it possible it was Bryer and Kam, the day they committed suicide?

Mr. Bighetti, a coordinator of Bear Clan, said they saw the two men at the dump. He said police radios weren’t working, so RCMP officers used gunfire as a means of communicating their location.

The RCMP say their goal is to locate the Northern BC homicide suspects today - Energeticcity.ca

Police redirected the hunt for murder suspects Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, to York Landing, in the province of Manitoba, after a local resident reported possibly seeing the pair foraging for food on Sunday local time (Monday AEDT).

But on Monday night Leroy Constant, the chief of the York Factory First Nation, said police were retreating to the previous search headquarters of Gillam after failing to locate the fugitives.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...er-suspects-evade-police-20190730-p52byv.html

 

[ErinBat]

A more recent article.
https://meadowlakenow.com/2019/08/0...-spotting-b-c-murder-suspects-informing-rcmp/

 

[Castlinghigh]

sorry trying to delete double post

 

[Castlinghigh]

so, they had cellphones- well, texting doesnt need wifi so maybe they were receiving texts from friends family but not responding.
maybe the father had bought a burner phone to text bryer - le wouldnt know about these text.
maybe they got wifi from gas stations to check their status in regards to the killings and stealing the rav4
so many unanswered questions..
like there must be more footage of them at gas stations that have not been released to the public.
there must be more that we will never know

 

[SovereignSnake]

I'm still trying to comprehend these drive times. There was this report that the Grandmother Carol Starkey spoke to them on July 13th or 14th and they said Whitehorse wasn't what they thought it would be. It's a 36 hour drive from Port Alberni to Whitehorse. How on earth did Kam and Bryer make it to Whitehorse in one or two days and decide they didn't like it. That's a lot of driving and no sleeping and it's so hard the body & mind. I remember (two years ago today in fact) I drove home after the Solar Eclipse in Nebraska after spending the night and it took me 14.5 hours to get home (just outside Minneapolis) in the eclipse traffic and construction and I will tell you after 14.5 hours of doing all the driving I was down for the count. By the time I got home I was so completely exhausted I was seeing shooting stars and hallucinating seeing deer. Now had Kam and Breyer done the 36 hour drive with stops over night and sleeping in the camper I would estimate it took them at least 3 days to get up there. I also remember I did a 26 hour drive to Seattle myself and with 12-14 hours a day on the road and stopping at night. It still took me three straight days to get to Seattle from just across the border from Minneapolis in Wisconsin.

UPDATE: Missing men now suspects in northern B.C. murder cases - KamloopsMatters.com

 

[NJSleuth91]

That would require evidence to be leaked from the RCMP, which would be quite a serious breach. In my opinion, it won't happen. Everyone is entitled to my opinion. Heh!

Not if it's released to family members.

 

[Castlinghigh]

I don't think they took 'ALL' their belongings. But they took two desktops for their gaming , and cooking stuff for meals and their clothing , and apparently their rifles.

I'm not sure how much else, 2 very young men would have. They probably sold some stuff before they left on their trip, since they moved out of their apartment. Most would sell couches, tv, etc, to get cash for the trip.

If they knew they were on a suicide mission, would they lug all that bulky stuff along?

they had an apt together??
nvm i just read they did not

 

[SovereignSnake]

Credit to @catdctr who originally shared this, I lost the quote. I had never seen this until now, this just blows my mind. So according to this salon, Kam and Bryer would have been in Meadow Lake for two days! How on earth did those two boys make it from the crime scene of Leonard Dyck to Meadow Lake in that amount of time? It's a 23 hour drive! Unbelievable.

P.S. Judging by the surveillance footage taken on the 21st, two days after this alleged encounter, those don't exactly look like "fresh cuts." A trim maybe, but something seems fishy.

Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride